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Hey everyone, I graduate college with a degree in Finance this May. I landed a job that i start in July. Starting salary is $45,500. The main reason i am starting this thread is for any suggestions/hints/things you wish you had done/things you shouldnt have done when you were my age. I am 22, have 0 debt. The first year i will be living at home so will get to pocket most of my salary. I have 10k saved and plan to use that as a down payment on a used Nissan 350Z. Any suggestions on things not to waste money on, where to invest? how much should i invest so early? etc...any life tips help!! thanks guys!

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financially: don't buy a 350z?


its good to be young and have fun, so if thats what you want and will keep it for a while, thats a car that will probably be "in" for a long time.

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Yeah, don't buy that sports car, your insurance will suck. Throw as much cash into IRA/401K as legally possible.

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Never buy a car that you can't afford to pay cash for.

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With 10k down though my payments will only be like $250 a month. It is for the Federal Government so there is no IRA, they have like a thrift savings plan i need to find more information about. My budget for a car is $21,000 (used Audi TT, Used 350Z, Used BMW Z4,new Nissan Rogue, New Mustang. IRA i can only put away 4k a year my first year. Since im living at home i estimated i should have around $30k to blow that firs year after tax. Only expense is health insurance which is $50 a month, insurence -$200 a month??? Cell phone - $60 a month.

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Pregame at home before going to the bar.

Savings: $20 a night

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Wish I would have maxed my 401(k) from day one, but then again I started in 2002.

Wish I would have bought a Prius instead of a Pickup (my commute is now 35 miles each way).

Wish I would have taken some time off before going full time (was a co-op student) to travel.

Take half of that $10k, buy a backpack and see the world for a month. Unless you have already been there and done that.

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Oh for it to be 1998 again, after moving back home from college (not graduated) to take a $35k/yr job.

What would I tell myself?

1. Don't buy a new car (within a month of moving back)
2. Don't buy a stereo system for said car (that was stolen a few months later)
3. Don't buy a stereo for the girlfriend's car (luckily she's still around as my wife -- car and stereo are long gone)
4. Don't just pay the minimums on your credit cards
5. DO move out of my parents house ASAP. After a few years of not living at home those 4 months were hell.
6. Pay off all the debt (had cc and loans from college which is why I had to quit)
7. Change my lifestyle to be a lot cheaper (still working on it 10 years later).

Now, the things I did right?
1. I learned a BUNCH at that job. It was at a small company and I had the opportunity to learn a lot of different things (from customer service, to tech support, to business development, to software development). If I'd gone to work for a big company there is no way I would have gotten that experience.
2. I made some very good contacts and friends that continue to help me, just by talking to people and keeping my ear to the grapevine.

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I had more money, but just took 5K to travel. I am going to London for a week, then i have a 16 day Contiki tour where i visit 8 countries in europe, than im going to South Africa (where i was born) for a month. So travelling i will get about 6 weeks in before i start and there is no way in hell im buying a prius. My school is in Boulder, Co where every other car is a damn prius

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Zan86 said:IRA i can only put away 4k a year my first year. Since im living at home i estimated i should have around $30k to blow that firs year after tax.Since you're in a relatively low tax bracket, it makes sense to max out your Roth IRA. The limit for 2008 is $5K.

If I were you, I would prepare a budget as if you were not living at home. After you max the Roth IRA, save at least 3 months worth of expenses (including however much rent would be) in a savings account before you do anything else, this is your emergency fund. Then split the rest of your money between savings and the Z fund. Once you have enough to buy the Z with cash, do it.

When you start building your portfolio, make sure it's well diversified among asset classes.

Message edited by: jayK on 2008-04-18 16:44:58 CDT
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Zan86 said: My budget for a car is $21,000 (used Audi TT, Used 350Z, Used BMW Z4,new Nissan Rogue, New Mustang. You will gross $45.5K a year (assuming you keep your job - never assume) and you plan to spend $21K plus insurance up front -- that is half your gross or or over 2/3 of your estimated after-tax income. Forget the chick magnets and buy a car more in keeping with your income.

After you start your job and know how much you actually net each month, set up a spreadsheet to track your spending. You could also set up a ghost spreadsheet as though you were paying for rent, food, utility bills, renters insurance and all the other expenses that come when you move out of your parents house and are on your own -- that way you'll be prepared for next year.

(You do plan to contribute to your parents' household expenses while you're living there, don't you?)

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Zan86 said:I had more money, but just took 5K to travel. I am going to London for a week, then i have a 16 day Contiki tour where i visit 8 countries in europe, than im going to South Africa (where i was born) for a month. So travelling i will get about 6 weeks in before i start and there is no way in hell im buying a prius. My school is in Boulder, Co where every other car is a damn priusIf you already know how you mean to throw your money around, why are you asking what to do?

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Its only 11K since i will put 10k down. And NO contributions to my parents expenses. They make more than il ever make (hopefully not) But i do think that is a very smart idea. I would never buy the car until i have been working for a few months so see exactly how much i am making. Keeping track of how much i would spend with food/rent etc.. is very smart since i will be getting a place with my friends next summer.

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Zan86 said:I had more money, but just took 5K to travel. I am going to London for a week, then i have a 16 day Contiki tour where i visit 8 countries in europe, than im going to South Africa (where i was born) for a month. So travelling i will get about 6 weeks in before i start and there is no way in hell im buying a prius. My school is in Boulder, Co where every other car is a damn prius

That is good that you are travelling, although IMO you would benefit more (personal development, added wisdom) if you went it alone instead of going with a tour. Save the tour for your honeymoon.

I understand that you would probably not change your mind from a 350Z to a Prius... I wasn't necessarily suggesting that. If I were to offer a suggestion, rather than just sharing what I wish I would have done, I would suggest that you get out a pencil and paper and write down all of the reasons, the real reasons, that you want to buy that 350Z. Then, whenever you see someone about to get into his 350Z, ask him if he leases, makes payments or owns it outright, and then ask him if he is in debt up to his eyeballs and does the car make him forget about that when his head hits the pillow each night. Then read "The Millionaire Next Door" if you haven't already.

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Take risks "financially" (smart risks) while you are young. When you get passed a certain age and have money saved your risk tolerance goes way down, and also your gains in proportion.

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Zan86 said:since i will be getting a place with my friends next summer.

Don't get a place with your friends.

After four years of living in a sausage party I can't take it anymore... getting married soon though so it won't be an issue.

Also, don't be looking for things to throw your money at. Buy a cheap used car, keep the 10k minus car as an emergency / got-to-move-out-from-parents fund. Put money into retirement, buy mutual funds (as they are on sale), general investment stuff.

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Im 21 and make about 40k a year and live at home. Its not as much money as u think. When i was 18 i bought a dodge ram lifted it, put 35" tires and 20" rims, yes it looks sick but it is such a waste of money im now trying to get rid of it so i will be able to move out. Ive been able to save money but i wont be able to afford the living expenses of moving out with my truck costing me so much money.
I would buy something cheap right now and wait until your more established to buy a toy. 350z's are slow anyway and they eat tires like crazy.

Oh and i would take advantage of having no responsibility now and travel as much as u can, thats what im doing and i dont regret any of it.

Message edited by: blok on 2008-04-18 17:19:33 CDT
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Freno911 said:Zan86 said:since i will be getting a place with my friends next summer.

Don't get a place with your friends.

After four years of living in a sausage party I can't take it anymore... getting married soon though so it won't be an issue.

Also, don't be looking for things to throw your money at. Buy a cheap used car, keep the 10k minus car as an emergency / got-to-move-out-from-parents fund. Put money into retirement, buy mutual funds (as they are on sale), general investment stuff.

So your going from one mistake to a even bigger one (getting married)

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Don't buy the 350Z. Seriously. Cars are a terrible choice. You will not enjoy it as much as you think, and you'll kick yourself later on in life. Buy yourself a nice 2 year old sedan with reasonable insurance and a good resale value (accord/camry/maxima come to mind). Save your money (06 350Z vs 06 V6 accord was at least $3K savings on kbb), learn about the stock market, and invest in growth stocks.
I had a turbo honda prelude that I put over 40K into. I sold it years later to put a roof on my house for a total of 10K. Getting 10K back on 56+K spent (40 + 16 the car cost me) makes you wonder what the hell you were thinking. In hindsight how I wish I'd have put that money into Google stock and had something with 4 doors and saved extra on insurance. Even the extra 3K you'll save will make a huge difference.
5 years down the road when you've made a good return on the money you saved, you've already bought a house, and your insurance has gone down a ton because you're either a) married or b) over 25, you can think about buying a new vehicle. In all honesty, by that time you won't care because you'll have matured and having a fancy sporty car won't really appeal to you anyways.
Get over the whole "first job I'll celebrate by buying the car I want".

Just my opinion. Life is rough because you don't get second chances.

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