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I just purchased a new car last month. Between my trade-in and down payment I only financed around 10k over 4 years for 3.9%. I have enough to pay the rest of the car off still leaving me a couple of thousand or so in my savings account, not including stocks. With interest rates the way they are, I am only earning 4.0% with Countrywide, which I won't qualify for if I choose to pay off my car immediately. There is no pre-payment penalty so I am just trying to decide if there is any reason I am overlooking not to pay the car off now.

I figure with 3.9% for the car versus 4.0% interest I come out better paying the loan off due to less tax at the end of the year on the interest earned in addition to the money I save by paying the car off early even after you take away the interest I won't earn.

Am I missing anything or any reason it wouldn't be smart to just pay the car off now?

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If you're comfortable with the size of the emergency fund after you pay off the car, I think paying it off is a good idea.

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i guess you forgot that income taxes are taken out of your 4.0% by the federal and state governments, so countrywide's 4.0% is really only netting you around 2.5-3% after taxes. so you're actually losing money by putting money in countrywide versus paying off your car, not to mention that having your car paid off means you can drop the insurance coverage down to liability only.

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Squeezer99 said:i guess you forgot that income taxes are taken out of your 4.0% by the federal and state governments, so countrywide's 4.0% is really only netting you around 2.5-3% after taxes. so you're actually losing money by putting money in countrywide versus paying off your car, not to mention that having your car paid off means you can drop the insurance coverage down to liability only.

When it was a good idea to have a liability only coverage on a BRAND NEW car??

OP, a agree with a previous poster - if you feel that you have enough cash to cover emergencies - go ahead and pay it off

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Squeezer99 said:i guess you forgot that income taxes are taken out of your 4.0% by the federal and state governments, so countrywide's 4.0% is really only netting you around 2.5-3% after taxes. so you're actually losing money by putting money in countrywide versus paying off your car, not to mention that having your car paid off means you can drop the insurance coverage down to liability only.

No I mentioned that as one of the main reasons to pay the car off early. I just want to make sure I am not overlooking some reason paying off the car early wouldn't make sense. Everything I think up such as what you mentioned points to pay off the car now.

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innocentbastard said:Squeezer99 said:i guess you forgot that income taxes are taken out of your 4.0% by the federal and state governments, so countrywide's 4.0% is really only netting you around 2.5-3% after taxes. so you're actually losing money by putting money in countrywide versus paying off your car, not to mention that having your car paid off means you can drop the insurance coverage down to liability only.

No I mentioned that as one of the main reasons to pay the car off early. I just want to make sure I am not overlooking some reason paying off the car early wouldn't make sense. Everything I think up such as what you mentioned points to pay off the car now.

Liquidity. You're paying the difference between your financing rate and the CFC rate as a cost of keeping that money available if you need it. If you were paying 20% on the car, I'd say obviously pay it off, but you're only losing a small amount of money to keep that $10k (or whatever) available to you if you need it.

Plus, I personally find it slightly more difficult to save money than to pay down debt, so for me (probably not for most FWF posters), I'd rather hold a slight fiscal disadvantage on the debt and have the money in my bank account than totally deplete my savings to buy a car.

This is just a point of personal preference, I think that if you can't obviously see the answer then it's more about your personal preferences than about the relatively small amount of money the differential is. Just because you're losing a small amount of money, it doesn't necessarily make it the wrong decision.

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OP simple

dont pay

you would be paying approx 800 in interest over 4 years on car

assuming you earn 3% on your 10K after tax you will earn more than that!

Not to mention the advantage of having the saved money with you

Edit : I should have mentioned this. Compound interest rocks when interest rate is just a bit more than your savings rate and you have a long term loan

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Rule of 78's is OFTEN used to calculate the interest earned by the lender in auto loans, for ealry pay offs. This could be another reason to continue with the monthly payments rather than pay off early.

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does your financing include gap insurance? if so keep it.

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rigor said:does your financing include gap insurance? if so keep it.

Are you kidding?

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Okay. The real question is, over the course of four years, can you do better than 3.9% after taxes?

I think the answer to this is yes. The market is in the crapper right now but it'll recover. Things cycle. If you're in managed funds or index funds, I think even with things going to hell this year you can still beat a 3.9% return over the next four years.


...but I'm an optimist.

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Have you maxed out your Roth Ira?

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Can you get a 0% credit card? I am in the same situation but I got a 0% credit card and will be collecting the difference.

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same here. have a kind of an AOR on my car payments.

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I'm in a similar situation but my rate is 4.95% which is well above what I'm getting with any online savings account I have currently. My intention is to pay it off over the next couple months since rates have dropped so much. Factor in taxes and it's even worse.

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fwvisitor said:OP simple

dont pay

you would be paying approx 800 in interest over 4 years on car

assuming you earn 3% on your 10K after tax you will earn more than that!

Not to mention the advantage of having the saved money with you

Edit : I should have mentioned this. Compound interest rocks when interest rate is just a bit more than your savings rate and you have a long term loan

10k only for the first month, then it would be 10k minus your monthly car payments. Trying to squeeze money from compound interest is good. But I don't think in your case doesn't make you effective. Just pay it off if you have the money.

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innocentbastard said:I just purchased a new car last month. Between my trade-in and down payment I only financed around 10k over 4 years for 3.9%. I have enough to pay the rest of the car off still leaving me a couple of thousand or so in my savings account, not including stocks. With interest rates the way they are, I am only earning 4.0% with Countrywide, which I won't qualify for if I choose to pay off my car immediately. There is no pre-payment penalty so I am just trying to decide if there is any reason I am overlooking not to pay the car off now.

I figure with 3.9% for the car versus 4.0% interest I come out better paying the loan off due to less tax at the end of the year on the interest earned in addition to the money I save by paying the car off early even after you take away the interest I won't earn.

Am I missing anything or any reason it wouldn't be smart to just pay the car off now?

from what I understand paying off a car loan over time builds your credit in a better way than credit cards. So if you're looking to buy a house I'd say stick to the loan

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Often car loans are simple interest. That means they calculate the interest and put it into the payment. If you pay it off early you prepay THEIR interest and it results in ZERO savings other than a few stamps if you mail in your payments.

Find out if your loan is compounded interest or simple interest.

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I think you're confused- simple interest loans are the ones where you only pay interest on the principle remaining.

Amortized or pre-computed loans have the interest built in over the lifetime of the loan.

There are two basic types of auto loans: simple interest loans and pre-computed loans.

With a pre-computed loan, the interest owed over the life of the loan is calculated using a standard amortization table. Once you sign on the dotted line for this type of loan, you're obligated to pay back principal plus the full amount of interest that will accrue over the entire term of the loan.

To sum up, interest on a pre-computed loan is calculated in advance and you're on the hook for every penny of it when you sign.

In contrast, with a simple-interest loan you're charged interest each day based on the balance you owe. So the quicker you pay down your balance the less interest you pay. A simple interest loan with no prepayment penalties rewards customers who pay ahead.

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