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I've read a lot of threads and I'm very intrigued by the AOR. I make a good salary, but I don't have much in terms of retirement so I have to play catch up at age 40. A big chunk of my income money is going to uncle sam in terms of taxes since I don't a mortgage write off. So I was thinking about purchasing a home this year. My credit score is around 780 for all three agencies. I'm planning to spend around 300K on new home. Am I going to be able to do an AOR after my home purchase. Or will I likely to have to wait a while. I don't want to risk doing an AOR before and get a bad mortgage rate. Does anyone have any feedback on this?

* Do an AOR only after your purchase a home with mortgage, never before.
* AOR money isn't free; it must be repaid. An AOR in and of itself will not help with your retirement.
* One's personal residence is not an investment -- it's a liability that will cost you money throughout your life.

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I did a small AOR (5 new cards, $65k pulled out, $80k limits) just 6 months after a home purchase and a mere week after refinancing the mortgage on that. I think my ficos were a little lower than yours, around 760. No app declines, good credit limits except for one (which was a fairly unknown issuer and apparently standard practice for them).

I agree, don't do an AOR before the mortgage. I check on a few FAKO scores and they suggest even my modest AOR dropped scores 5% or so.

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The pile of inquiries and new accounts is likely to spook a mortgage lender. Don't take on an AOR before your mortgage.

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waterdance said:I've read a lot of threads and I'm very intrigued by the AOR. I make a good salary, but I don't have much in terms of retirement so I have to play catch up at age 40. A big chunk of my income money is going to uncle sam in terms of taxes since I don't a mortgage write off. So I was thinking about purchasing a home this year. My credit score is around 780 for all three agencies. I'm planning to spend around 300K on new home. Am I going to be able to do an AOR after my home purchase. Or will I likely to have to wait a while. I don't want to risk doing an AOR before and get a bad mortgage rate. Does anyone have any feedback on this?

1. How are you going to catch up on retirement by going into debt on a house?

2. I love when people say that the mortgage interest is a huge writeoff. If I have an option between keeping my money - marginal rate or marginal rate, I would always choose the former. Why do people rush to the latter? A house is rarly cheaper than an apartment or rental when you factor in all of the costs. The only way you will "save money" is if rent <= (Yearly payment + taxes + increased insurance and utilities). Even then you are only saving the marginal rate on interest and taxes. You benefit of owning is appreciation of property (check the last year housing prices) and forced savings via payoff of principle (until you get a heloc and tap that).

My advise is learn how to save, then buy a house.

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I'm about to buy a new home/sell my old house. Here's what my approach is.

I did a wife-o-rama about 4 months ago. Got about 60K in 0%, screwed up on one so it's down to 40K. That has given me plenty of "float" money that you need when selling and buying a house. I also bought down a few balances on my credit. I applied for the mortgage in my name only (wife is stay at home), so my credit is superior and any balances are "hidden" on my wife's credit.

Once I close on the new house, I immediately intend on doing a mini-AOR with my old mailing address (mail is forwarded). Targeting high CL/smaller number of cards. Then once I sell my old house I can resolve all the float issues with the equity (current equity is in the form of a 0% bridge loan, but that's because I'm on a paid relocation).

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* Do an AOR only after your purchase a home with mortgage, never before.
* AOR money isn't free; it must be repaid. An AOR in and of itself will not help with your retirement.
* One's personal residence is not an investment -- it's a liability that will cost you money throughout your life.

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I wouldn't do it before you close on the new house. You'll spook your lender. Don't do it.

I bought my house in December 06 and started my first A0R in January 07 and did pretty well for my first time around the block. I refinanced that same house in mid-February 08 and kicked off my second A0R in early March 08 and that one is going quite well also.

There are a couple of issues I can see with doing the A0R shortly after you buy/move:

1. Making sure all the related mail goes to the right place (i.e. the new house). In my case I waited until I was in the new house and I just listed my new address on the applications. Everything went fine with respect to this.

2. Identity checks. Credit card companies like to comply with the Patriot Act, I think, which means they need to cross reference between you as you represent yourself on your application and you as you show up in your credit report. If the address on the app doesn't match the app on your credit file, you may get rejected or held up for that reason. You could mitigate this problem by calling in proactively after you submit the application to talk to the credit ninjas, by checking your credit report yourself and waiting for your new address to show, or you could dispute your current address proactively with the credit bureaus to get it to reflect sooner.

3. Time and effort. Moving into and settling into a new house and A0Rs both take a lot of time and effort. You may not want to do both at the same time. In my opinion, to do an A0R right you need to be able to stay on top of things, probably daily in the beginning for a few weeks and at least weekly later on. Will you have the time and organizational skills to do both?

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Do you guys realize that the OP did not bother to reply to his own thread in a couple of days?
New user with 2 posts... He probably does not even remember his password by now...

Anyway: I would buy a house right now with fixed interest rates for 30 years, in about 5 years due to high inflation you would pay the the same for the monthly morgage as filling your car tank.

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I did remember my password. I've had to work on some projects. But I appreciate your input, the gist of which is buy the home and wait awhile to do the AOR.

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How is spending $1.00 in interest in order to get 25-35 cents back in taxes going to help you save money?

If you want to save for retirement and not just talk about it, get a modest affordable apartment and max out your 401(k), 403(b), TSP, etc plus an IRA.

$15.5K +$5K plus more when you turn 50 should catch you up quicker for retirment than buying a house.

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Owning a home is going to cost you more than any tax savings you get. Don't buy a house to lower your taxes.

Also, an AOR is not going to help you with your retirement. An AOR will net you chump change, especially with lower bank interest rates right now. If you take the AOR money and invest in the stock market or something stupid like that, then we will look forward to your post on how to proceed with your bankuptcy in a year.

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You misunderstood my question. My question is basically how long after my mortgage would I be able to do an AOR, irregardless of retirement. I already have maxed out of 401K and my Roth IRA. But there are other deductions and tax credit that I cannot take advange of because my gross income is too high and i do not have enough itemized deductions. Home ownership will allow me to tax the mortgrage write off and additional itemized deductions that I wasn't able to do before because of the adjustment gross. In addition, it takes me down another tax bracket. I'll probably get two roommates to get extra money. I also run some business at home, which forces me to pay for storage costs which I can could transfer to a garage and apply that money to the home instead of storage. I am not trying to do the AOR to fund my retirement. I'm just trying to take advantage of some extra money with my credit. They are entirely different issues. I'm late putting in money into my retirement. I stated only 5 years ago, but it is not tied to the AOR. I just wanted to know if I would be able to do one shorty after my home closes or how long after. I hope this makes more sense to you. This is just part of the financial picture. I wasn't expecting a commentary but a quick answer. But I appreciate everyone's help.

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