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NOTaFool, I suspect you're right about the i-bond formula. I sent an email to the relevant department asking about this to clarify.

I did locate the forumla for determining EE bond rates. From their website, "the rate for EE bonds will be 90% of the average yields on 5-year Treasury securities for the preceding six months." So it is entirely mechanical, and is reset every 6 months.


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Update: got a reply from a rep at the savingsbonds site regarding i-bond rates: "The fixed rate is selected by the Treasury after reviewing economic conditions. The Secretary of the Treasury has the final approval, and there is no formula or equation to determine what the fixed rate will be."

So it is indeed discretionary. It will be interesting to see if they use their discretion to bump the base rate back up to 3% or 2.5% next time.


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i have a pseudo unrelated ee bond question.

eebonds are sold at half value. so if i go on the website and buy $100 worth of eebond, is 100$ deducted from my credit card or 50$ ?

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If you buy $100 FACE VALUE of ee bond, you'll be charged $50. Then you can redeem them 6 cycles later for slighly over $50, i.e. they won't reach their face value for many years.


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from the website, "The last day to purchase a bond with a May 2002 issue date is May 30th. The purchase date/time is based on Eastern Time."


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Does anyone know how long it takes for a savingsbondsdirect order to post to the credit card? I ordered some last Friday, and still no indication of the order has appeared on my account.


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TJtv, it has always posted rapidly for me in the past, one or two days. Perhaps your CC is just slow to post new purchases? If you got the confirmation number from the treasury, you should be OK in any case.


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do they post to credit card on the first or second email?


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I received the second email two days ago, and still no cc post. Other purchases I made yesterday have already posted, so my cc company is somewhat fast with posting charges. I'm getting kind of scared because for this billing cycle only I receive double cashback, and the cycle is about to end.


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This is really strange. I just received the actual savings bonds in the mail(10 days after initial order), and yet the transaction still has not posted to my credit card.


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Just though I'd bring everyone's attention to these DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY REGULATIONS GOVERNING UNITED STATES SAVINGS BONDS. The last bullet is EXTREMELY interesting, since if I read it correctly, you can purchase a lot more than the $45K limit in a year. I would appreciate some comments.


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Interesting indeed.

According to this, limits don't apply if you redeem in same calandar year as purchased. So June i-bonds, which can be bought through 6/29, would be unlimited if redeemed by December of this year.

Still, would the web site let you buy an unlimited amount? Doubtful.

Did you see a similar provision for the EE bonds?


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DH, I was thinking more in terms of purchasing some "reasonable" amount of additional bonds, although I'm now tempted to buy an "unlimited" amount .

Seriosly, I would think that one should probably cash some previously purchased bonds to stay within the $45K "kept for this year" bonds in order not to raise any flags, however, it doesn't seem to be against the rules to go over the $45K limit.


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DH, I finally found the links to show that same holds true for EE bonds. Please see the Sec. 351.4 in combination with Sec. 353.11.

This does look promising .


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If I buy an "unlimited" amount of bonds in June, how would they know that I have redeemed them or not in December, as I am supposed to do ( to stay with $45K kept for this year).


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sunrise, I'd be really surprised if they sold you more than the yearly limit in any single month -- I wouldn't even try it. Moreover, I wouldn't want to own more than $30K of the 2002 I-bonds or more than $15K of the 2002 EE-bonds at any given time. That being sad, I think the right strategy would be to do something like this:

Buy the yearly limit in January --> redeem everything on July 1st --> buy the yearly limit again at the end of July --> repeat next year.

I'm sure that the creative folks here at FW can come up with another similar or better strategy, but I believe that the trick for not raising any questions is not to own more than the yearly limit at any given time, otherwise I think it's asking for trouble.

So as a conclusion, I think that this can open the door for legally purchasing (e.g. running through your rewards CC ) TWICE the yearly $45K limit. Please correct me if I'm wrong.


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I had email correspondence with savingsbond CSR, and I confirmed that we can buy more than the annual limit, an unlimited amount, as long as we stay within the annual limit at the end of the calender year ( by redeeming ), we are OK.


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Today (June 27) is the last day to buy bonds dated June.


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dave how do you find out this info?


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