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mhesidence said:They can pay a mortgage directly.
Just to be clear--you are saying they can pay a mortgage directly with the BT and not with servicing a different mortgage?


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ChemEngGuy said:Just to be clear--you are saying they can pay a mortgage directly with the BT and not with servicing a different mortgage?They can pay a mortgage directly, as long as it isn't a PenFed mortgage (has to be a transfer to an outside company).


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DaveHanson said:They can pay a mortgage directly, as long as it isn't a PenFed mortgage (has to be a transfer to an outside company).Thanks for the confirmation. I applied for the card on their website and it said I was approved, however it still doesnt show on my Penfed user account. How long does it typically take for this to show up?


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ChemEngGuy said:Thanks for the confirmation. I applied for the card on their website and it said I was approved, however it still doesnt show on my Penfed user account. How long does it typically take for this to show up?

A couple days...not too long.


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As a reference point for everyone. I just got denied for a PenFed card as I have 14 new accounts (AOR 13 months ago). Only 1 carries a balance right now, which I told them I was going to use their BT offer for it but they still said there's too many. Denied based on "pyramiding debts". No inquiries, 750+ FICO score, no bad remarks, etc. It either pulled Equifax or TransUnion as I have Exp frozen.

I did get the rep to say a little more details about it. She said they look at 18 months history so it looks like that is your safe point.

update: it did pull Equifax like others have posted.


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Auream said:jwk1000 said:DAWG said:Investment interest is tax deductible? I thought only mortgage and student loan interest was deductible (?)... I feel dumb. I have several credit cards right now at 1.9 and 2.9 for life that I invested the cash from and did not deduct the past 2 years. I'll be more careful on TurboTax next year.

Don't think you missed out because there are a lot of rules for this deduction. I was stopped by the 2% limit of AGI. If you had enough to claim you could file a 1040X, for the past three years. It would be a good exercise to figure it out so you remember to check it in the future.


2% of AGI Limit? I am not aware of such a limitation on investment interest. Article about Investment Interest Deduction on WSJ.
According to that WSJ article, it's interest paid for investment purposes that's deductible, not investment income that happens to be interest.


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I have an application in process. Any reason not to use this to pay off a second mortgage at 7.625% fixed? I can afford the 2% minimum monthly payment and even with the BT fee and tax deduction on the mortgage the math says this is a great deal. Anything else I'm missing?


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acheslow said:I have an application in process. Any reason not to use this to pay off a second mortgage at 7.625% fixed? I can afford the 2% minimum monthly payment and even with the BT fee and tax deduction on the mortgage the math says this is a great deal. Anything else I'm missing?I hope that youre not missing anything because Im doing exactly the same thing for the same reasons you mention.


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My monthly minimum is 2.5%.


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ChemEngGuy said:acheslow said:I have an application in process. Any reason not to use this to pay off a second mortgage at 7.625% fixed? I can afford the 2% minimum monthly payment and even with the BT fee and tax deduction on the mortgage the math says this is a great deal. Anything else I'm missing?I hope that youre not missing anything because Im doing exactly the same thing for the same reasons you mention.
Potential hit to credit report based on history/utilization.


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ThursdaysChild said:Auream said:jwk1000 said:DAWG said:Investment interest is tax deductible? I thought only mortgage and student loan interest was deductible (?)... I feel dumb. I have several credit cards right now at 1.9 and 2.9 for life that I invested the cash from and did not deduct the past 2 years. I'll be more careful on TurboTax next year.

Don't think you missed out because there are a lot of rules for this deduction. I was stopped by the 2% limit of AGI. If you had enough to claim you could file a 1040X, for the past three years. It would be a good exercise to figure it out so you remember to check it in the future.


2% of AGI Limit? I am not aware of such a limitation on investment interest. Article about Investment Interest Deduction on WSJ.
According to that WSJ article, it's interest paid for investment purposes that's deductible, not investment income that happens to be interest.

Umm yeah, thats what we were talking about. Since when is ANY income "deductible!?" You deduct expenses, such as investment interest expense, not income. In this case, the expense is the 2.99% interest being paid to PenFed.


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I'm "under review -- check back in a few hours."

Does this really mean a few hours, or a business day?


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unixgirl said:I'm "under review -- check back in a few hours."

Does this really mean a few hours, or a business day?

Just call them and they'll tell you right over the phone, so you don't have to wait.


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It's Memorial Day, so I figured they'd be closed.

I called and they're open! ???

They said that a loan approval officer had not looked at my app yet, and asked why I'd chosen the card. I said I had another card, but wasn't getting the good BT rate that PenFed's offering. Was asked how much I wanted to BT and I gave that information; application updated. Was quoted up to 48 hours for processing.


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ChemEngGuy said:coolambo said:btw, they won't deposit the bt amount to a checking account. when i spoke to the csr, she said they'd have to pay off the accounts themselves. which means you have to pay the 1% (10 min, 100 max) balance transfer fee per loan you transfer.
Are there any strategies about how to get this BT money onto a mortgage?
You can now do a direct transfer as cash to your Penfed account.

edit: Hmm, maybe not...it says this when you try to do it:

This transfer will be treated as a cash advance and finance charges will begin accruing immediately after the transfer has been processed.

Will have to get that clarified...

VVV not fast enough for Dave with the edit button


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alchemize said:You can now do a direct transfer as cash to your Penfed account.Not at the BT rate..that would give you the 10+% cash advance rate.


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WooHoo! I got instantly approved for both the PenFed Visa Platinum Cash Rewards and Visa Gold credit card, 15k credit limit each! I plan on using my new Visa Gold card for the 2.99% lifetime balance transfer promo, and use my new Visa Platinum Cash Rewards card as my primary credit card. Thanks Pentagon Federal Credit Union!


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ilikebtmoney said:As a reference point for everyone. I just got denied for a PenFed card as I have 14 new accounts (AOR 13 months ago). Only 1 carries a balance right now, which I told them I was going to use their BT offer for it but they still said there's too many. Denied based on "pyramiding debts". No inquiries, 750+ FICO score, no bad remarks, etc. It either pulled Equifax or TransUnion as I have Exp frozen.

I did get the rep to say a little more details about it. She said they look at 18 months history so it looks like that is your safe point.

update: it did pull Equifax like others have posted.

I have approximately as many new accounts (same age, approximately 1 year from AOR), but no cards show any balance. Scores were in the 780 range. Applied for the PFCU card as part of an AOR (inquiries totaled 5,9, 7 after AOR). Approved for Platinum with 25k limit. I don't know if it makes a difference, but I'm also in the military.


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abracadabra1 said:ilikebtmoney said:As a reference point for everyone. I just got denied for a PenFed card as I have 14 new accounts (AOR 13 months ago). Only 1 carries a balance right now, which I told them I was going to use their BT offer for it but they still said there's too many. Denied based on "pyramiding debts". No inquiries, 750+ FICO score, no bad remarks, etc. It either pulled Equifax or TransUnion as I have Exp frozen.

I did get the rep to say a little more details about it. She said they look at 18 months history so it looks like that is your safe point.

update: it did pull Equifax like others have posted.

I have approximately as many new accounts (same age, approximately 1 year from AOR), but no cards show any balance. Scores were in the 780 range. Applied for the PFCU card as part of an AOR (inquiries totaled 5,9, 7 after AOR). Approved for Platinum with 25k limit. I don't know if it makes a difference, but I'm also in the military.

I have a feeling the two cards with a balance (1 AOR card, and my normal spending card that gets paid off monthly) were really the problem. I thought it sounded odd based on the age as they were 13 months.

I've been a PenFed member for a while so I don't think the military status has anything to do with it though. But good reference point.


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Auream said:I was able to get PenFed to "reallocate" $20K of credit from my platinum cash card to the new travel rewards card, giving me a $45K limit. Technically what they did was lower one limit and raise the other now that my outstanding credit exposure with them was lowered, but the effect was the same.

BTed $42K to my HELOC, showed up two days later. I will pay down to below 80% utilization before the statement cuts. All in all not a bad deal.

I have tried a few times to do this, and it has never worked. Did they pull your credit report?


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