Update: As of May 20, 2008, a branch visit is required to open this account.
I recently opened several Cash Rewards Checking accounts at Arizona Bank & Trust and have been blown away by the bank’s outstanding customer service. Of course, the biggest draw of this account is the fact that they are guaranteeing the 6.01% APY, on balances up to 20K, until April 2009. The 20K cap is relatively low, but they do allow customers to open multiple Cash Rewards Checking accounts. The Reward requirements will have to be met for each account to earn the high yield.
Reward requirements for each monthly cycle: - 12 signature-based debit card transactions - 1 Direct Deposit or ACH debit - Receive eStatements
Noteworthy: - $25 opening balance required, no minimum balance thereafter. - Notarization needed on one document only, even if multiple accounts are opened. - Will waive $10 incoming wire fee for initial funding (YMMV?). - ACH push/pull using external sources allowed. - Can request a free set of 25 starter checks. - Any amount charged to the debit card qualifies for the 12 transactions. - Up to $20 in ATM fees automatically refunded monthly if Reward requirements are met. - Written documentation of the rate guarantee comes in the form of a flyer included with the account opening packet. - No requirements waiver given on the first Rewards cycle. Rewards begin to calculate on the first of the month following account opening.
My account opening timetable: 05.06 – Applied for Cash Rewards Checking accounts by phone (888.906.4500). 05.12 – Received account opening packet. 05.13 – Mailed to ABT signed and notarized documents along with check. 05.16 – Late evening ABT received documents and deposited check. 05.19 – Registered for online banking and eStatements. 05.20 – Received approval for online banking and successfully logged in. 05.30 – Received starter checks and debit cards.
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posted: May. 16, 2008 @ 6:00p
glxpass
Senior Member - 5K
posted: May. 16, 2008 @ 6:23p
Thanks, mh83. I agree that the guaranteed 6.01% APY until 4/2009 makes this worthy of a separate thread. If people want to take advantage of this, it's best to do so now, so that the account will be opened before June 1st; you start earning 6.01% APY on the month following the month in which the account was opened. This is different from other Reward Checking accounts I'm familiar with, where you start earning the high rate immediately upon opening the account and funding it, and where the requirements for the first qualification period are waived.
You might want to move some of the info in your initial post to the Quick Summary, unless you want control over its maintenance. Also noteworthy to me was the form AB&T can send you that will automate ACH pulls to your AB&T account. That's a nice substitute for a payroll-type direct deposit, or having to remember to manually make ACH transfers from other instiutions or pulls from payees. Finally, they says they don't do a hard credit inquiry, just ChexSystems.
Also, their toll-free number is 1-888-906-4500. I liked the fact that the application was done by phone for multiple accounts, saving me much typing.
Data points on Arizona Bank & Trust account opening:
05.08 Applied for two accounts by phone #888.906.4500 05.08 ABT mailed packet 05.12 Received account opening docs in Northern Virginia 05.13 Returned notarized (one) and signed docs, and deposits 05.15 ABT CSR phoned to let us know docs and deposits received 05.15 Applied for online banking access 05.15 Set up external access from Wachovia, waiting for trial deposits to hit ABT 05.16 Received email approval for online banking, successfully logged on to accounts. 05.16 Tried to set up estatements, phoned 866.269.5900 bc I was getting error messages, was told to wait for the system to update on 5/17. 05.17 Successfully signed up for estatements for both accounts. 05.19 Verified trial deposits @ ABT with Wachovia. 05.19 Received 5/15 deposit confirmation and notification of 9 business day hold for new account. 05.19 Successfully signed up for online billpay, awaiting email nofication (1-3 days) for activation of billpay. 05.19 Phoned personal banker regarding receipt of CDARS info, and also requested 25 starter checks for each account. 05.21 Bill pay activation email received. 05.23 Received Visa Debit Cards, activated cards as directed. 05.30 Received packet of 25 starter checks for each account.
NOTE: estatement signup is separate and apart from online access signup. In addition, it appears ABT outsources (no, not to India ) this support function bc the csr asked which bank I was with.
When they say they require 12 signature based transactions, does that not include online purchases?
glxpass
Senior Member - 5K
posted: May. 16, 2008 @ 6:45p
dvdjunkee said: When they say they require 12 signature based transactions, does that not include online purchases? Signature-based really means "use your debit card as a credit card", i.e. no PIN-based transactions, and don't specify that you want to use a debit card network, should you see such an option. (I've only noticed that option when paying my AT&T phone bill.) On-line purchases using the debit card as a credit card are fine.
glxpass said: dvdjunkee said: When they say they require 12 signature based transactions, does that not include online purchases? Signature-based really means "use your debit card as a credit card", i.e. no PIN-based transactions, and don't specify that you want to use a debit card network, should you see such an option. (I've only noticed that option when paying my AT&T phone bill.) On-line purchases using the debit card as a credit card are fine.
Sounds good to me. I've got a branch a block away, so I'll go open a couple accounts =)
ThursdaysChild
Missed.
posted: May. 16, 2008 @ 7:19p
Thanks, mh83, for starting this thread.
There's more information about AB&T in the Rewards Checking Account thread, starting about here (thanks, glxpass).
FYI, I called to ask about wiring $19,000 to the account and if there was an incoming wire fee, they said there's a $10 fee. I asked if they can waive it since I'm funding the account but the rep said that there is "nothing in our system to waive the fee". $10 isn't too bad considering the rate, but that's what i was told.
mh83
Senior Member
posted: May. 16, 2008 @ 10:22p
glxpass said: ...Also noteworthy to me was the form AB&T can send you that will automate ACH pulls to your AB&T account. That's a nice substitute for a payroll-type direct deposit, or having to remember to manually make ACH transfers from other instiutions or pulls from payees... Apparently that’s the only kind of ACH that ABT originates. It sounded quirky to me. When I asked about the speed of the ACH transfer, the CSR wasn’t sure. She said it was mostly used by out-of-towners.
I prefer to use an external source to pull out the interest earned each month, thus keeping the balance within the cap while satisfying the ACH debit requirement. I can always schedule recurring pulls using my external banks.
mh83
Senior Member
posted: May. 16, 2008 @ 10:28p
alphaivt said: FYI, I called to ask about wiring $19,000 to the account and if there was an incoming wire fee, they said there's a $10 fee. I asked if they can waive it since I'm funding the account but the rep said that there is "nothing in our system to waive the fee". $10 isn't too bad considering the rate, but that's what i was told. That’s interesting. Perhaps the waiver depends on the amount being deposited?
I think it’s more of a courtesy than an automatic system waiver. I didn’t ask for a waiver. I told the CSR the amount I was interested in depositing and she advised me to open multiple accounts. She then told me to wire in the initial deposit and she will waive the incoming wire fee and will distribute the funds evenly among my accounts.
Feel free to PM me if you’d like to know the name of the CSR I spoke with.
So I calculate just under 100 dollars per month per account. If you make the 12 debit transactions as 1 dollar donations, it comes out to $86 per month actually making the rate 5.25%, not worth the effort even if I could automate 6 of these accounts. However, being guaranteed until April 09 is a huge plus. I am making 4.5 right now which if I put the time in to set all of this up and watch each account to make sure everything went smoothly every month, I would be making $516/month as opposed to $443/month with no effort.
Usually I would jump on the extra $73, but since i must make 6 accounts to get that money, and I do not have my 0% offers for too much longer, I have drawn the conclusion to leave as is.
This is all subjective info, and other people will have different cost/benefit analysis, but the $86/month per $20,000 might make your calculations a little quicker.
I look at the bigger picture, I'll have roughly $1000 after a year, enough for that new TV
glxpass
Senior Member - 5K
posted: May. 17, 2008 @ 9:18a
mh83 said: glxpass said: ...Also noteworthy to me was the form AB&T can send you that will automate ACH pulls to your AB&T account. That's a nice substitute for a payroll-type direct deposit, or having to remember to manually make ACH transfers from other instiutions or pulls from payees... Apparently that’s the only kind of ACH that ABT originates. It sounded quirky to me. When I asked about the speed of the ACH transfer, the CSR wasn’t sure. She said it was mostly used by out-of-towners.
I prefer to use an external source to pull out the interest earned each month, thus keeping the balance within the cap while satisfying the ACH debit requirement. I can always schedule recurring pulls using my external banks. Since there's no minimum required amount to designate on the AB&T form, I plan to fund each of my accounts for about 19K, and pull the same amount of money into the account at the beginning of each month as I plan to take out of the account in order to satisfy the 12 signature-based transactions requirement.
Warning about setting up automatic ACH transactions with AB&T: The form, which you can use to set up a pull to AB&T or a push from AB&T, says: Please remember we will need a 15 day lead time on all transfers. This is just the maximum time to initially set up the automatic transfer, not the time that it will take to do the transfers themselves. I still see this as an easy way to meet the ACH requirement with no worries about ACH capabilities at an external financial institution, nor any concerns about possible ACH transfer-out fees at that external financial institution, assuming I wanted to credit my AB&T accounts each month.
Edit: On each of the six Automaric Transfer Authorization Forms (one per AB&T account) that I'm mailing today (5/27), I specified a pull of $10 from my BoA checking account. Given the 15-day lead time to set up the automatic transfers, I scheduled each transfer to occur on the 16th of each month, which means that the transfer should post to the account by the 20th or so, assuming approximately a 3-business day transfer time. The end result is that I don't have to worry about the monthly ACH transfer requirement, and it becomes AB&T's responsibility to make sure it happens.
2stepsbehind
Senior Member
posted: May. 17, 2008 @ 1:59p
Any data points on how long they take to process ACH push/pulls?
This is true, and if I had my money for the full term I would probably go for this offer. I don't even have it for half, plus the wait time seems like a few weeks to get this one going. It is probably worth it, but I am on summer vacation for a week and a half and am too damn lazy
I receieved my package this morning. There are three places for me to sign, the account agreement, backup withholding certifications, and to open the ATM/debit card. Do I need all three signatures notarized? The going rate in my area for notarizations is $10/signature. I figure I'll save $10 since I don't need the ATM/debit card as I'll be doing my withdrawals through ACH pulls.
hair
Greedy Member
posted: May. 17, 2008 @ 7:49p
I only had the first page (account agreement) notarized.
You might need the debit card to fulfill the 12 debit card transaction requirement.
glxpass
Senior Member - 5K
posted: May. 17, 2008 @ 8:18p
alphaivt said: I receieved my package this morning. There are three places for me to sign, the account agreement, backup withholding certifications, and to open the ATM/debit card. Do I need all three signatures notarized? The going rate in my area for notarizations is $10/signature. I figure I'll save $10 since I don't need the ATM/debit card as I'll be doing my withdrawals through ACH pulls. Just notarize the account agreement. The point is to attest to your identity. Doing that on one document should be sufficient. At least, that's what the personal banker told me.
hair said: I only had the first page (account agreement) notarized.
You might need the debit card to fulfill the 12 debit card transaction requirement.
LOL! Yes, that would be VERY important for me to sign then. Glad you caught that, that's what 5 hours sleep the last 48 hours does to me
mh83
Senior Member
posted: May. 17, 2008 @ 9:58p
alphaivt said: I receieved my package this morning. There are three places for me to sign, the account agreement, backup withholding certifications, and to open the ATM/debit card. Do I need all three signatures notarized? The going rate in my area for notarizations is $10/signature. I figure I'll save $10 since I don't need the ATM/debit card as I'll be doing my withdrawals through ACH pulls. You must sign at all three places but only one signature needs to be notarized.
I was instructed to notarize the one you’re calling “backup withholding certification”, located on the backside of the account agreement.
studiddy
Senior Member
posted: May. 18, 2008 @ 5:53a
Charter bank pays the same rate, with a $25k limit and only 10 debit transactions, so it might be useful as a second account if you have $45k to play with.
studiddy said: Charter bank pays the same rate, with a $25k limit and only 10 debit transactions, so it might be useful as a second account if you have $45k to play with.
Yea but they do not state as to when the offer is valid UNTIL:
http://www.charterco.com/personal/turbo.cfm
Shahhere
shade45
Senior Member - 2K
posted: May. 18, 2008 @ 11:50a
"Make an automatic payment or direct deposit Have one or more automatic payment (like a utility bill) or direct deposits each month."
can i do ACH pull from my other bank and eligible for automatic payment?
glxpass
Senior Member - 5K
posted: May. 18, 2008 @ 12:04p
shade45 said: "Make an automatic payment or direct deposit Have one or more automatic payment (like a utility bill) or direct deposits each month."
can i do ACH pull from my other bank and eligible for automatic payment? Yes, this should meet the above requirement, which essentially means any ACH transaction that adds funds to or takes funds from your AB&T Rewards Checking account.
Diedforebates
Member
posted: May. 19, 2008 @ 2:03a
Is this offer still valid? I did not see the statement of "...6.01APR until April 2009..." on the website www.arizbank.com. Thx.
mh83
Senior Member
posted: May. 19, 2008 @ 2:53a
Diedforebates said: Is this offer still valid? I did not see the statement of "...6.01APR until April 2009..." on the website www.arizbank.com. Thx. It should still be valid. It was when I spoke to the bank last Friday right before I posted. I don’t think the rate guarantee was ever on the website.
Since I was probably one of the first to ask about this account in the general rewards checking account thread (after seeing it on BankingGuy's site), I thought I'd give another point of reference:
4/30 - Applied over the phone (late afternoon). 5/5 - Received account opening packet. 5/7 - Mailed signed/notarized documents with $25 check. 5/9 - Received call from Arizona bank that everything was received. Offered starter pack of checks (I accepted). 5/12 - Applied for online banking. 5/16 - Accessed online banking for the 1st time (had approval 5/13). 5/17 - Signed up for eStatements. Also, received and activated debit card. 5/19 - Set-up ACH from online savings (waiting for trial deposits). Also, set-up direct deposit from payroll (easy to set-up partial allotment where I work).
As a note, most of the delays were my "fault" since I know that the 6.01% won't start until June 1st. When I called on 4/30, I was told that if I had access to a fax machine and notary and could get it funded that we could complete it that day, but I didn't. It was already 5pm here (ET), so I opted to go the snail mail route. I don't plan to fully fund it until late next week, except maybe push a test ACH or try my debit card, but I'm ready to go otherwise.
timmsw
New Member
posted: May. 19, 2008 @ 12:57p
Havent seen it mentioned yet, do they do a hard pull with any of the CRA's?
I asked in another thread if ACH pushes into AB&T will count towards the monthly direct deposit requirement. mh83 confirmed that it will count towards the requirement.
mh83
Senior Member
posted: May. 19, 2008 @ 7:16p
Alphaivt, please stop jumping from thread to thread. You're making me dizzy.
lol i know, didn't realize you started this thread too. my question was more generalized but now i've narrowed it to AB&T. i'll continue from here
btw, here's our conversation from another thread for other AB&T customers:
alphaivt said:
Is it confirmed that ACH pushes into AB&T count as the direct deposit? I just want to make sure, have you had experience with that?
Yes, an ACH push will satisfy ABT’s requirement.
I want to make sure you understand that ABT does not require Direct Deposit from your employer. The requirement is one Direct Deposit OR one ACH debit/credit per month.
It is okay to call ABT to clarify any conditions you are unsure about. They want you to be able to successfully meet all the requirements and will be happy to let you know if what you are proposing will work.
Just so you know, I will be doing monthly ACH pulls out of ABT to satisfy the requirement.
I was considering doing ACH pulls similar to mh83 taking the interest out each month but I think I'll put $150 in a month. $30 for cell phone payment, $80 for tv/cable bill, and the $40 to pay for the 12 card purchases each month.
mh83
Senior Member
posted: May. 19, 2008 @ 10:37p
gwu1986 said: ...05.19 Received 5/15 deposit confirmation and notification of 9 business day hold for new account... I just learned of this today also.
The CSR said ABT places a 9-day hold on out-of-state checks for the first thirty days the account is opened. However, there are no holds on electronic deposits such as ACHs and wire transfers.
i sent back my notorized forms today with a $100 check from my local bank (live in CA). just sent that in get things rolling.
i'm looking through the packet I received and at the section titled "Regulation CC Funds Availability Disclosure." Near the bottom is a section for new accounts that reads:
If you are a new customer, the following special rules apply during the first 30 days your account is open: Funds from electronic deposits to your account will be available the day we receive the deposit. Funds from deposits of cash, wire transfers, and the first $5,000 of a day's total deposits of cashier's, certified, teller's, traveler's, and federal/state/ and local governemnt checks will be available on the first business day after the day of your deposit if the deposit meets certain conditions (e.g. the checks must be payable to you). The excess of $5,000 will be available on the ninth business day after the day of deposit.
From that paragraph, if I ACH push $20,000 in, it'll be available right away but a wire transfer will have a nine day hold on the remaining $15,000. Can anyone confirm if this has happened to them?
I'm going to call tomorrow to see what the real deal is.
ThursdaysChild
Missed.
posted: May. 20, 2008 @ 10:28a
Suggestion from the CSR when I called to open my account today: fund the account with $20,000 rather than keeping it to $19K and change. You'll still earn a little interest on the amount over $20K and you'll earn interest on the full $20K.
One of you math gurus can probably work out the optimum amount to fund.
ThursdaysChild said: Suggestion from the CSR when I called to open my account today: fund the account with $20,000 rather than keeping it to $19K and change. You'll still earn a little interest on the amount over $20K and you'll earn interest on the full $20K.
One of you math gurus can probably work out the optimum amount to fund.You will not earn 6.01% apy on the 20k in the first cycle as you will probably not have the card in time to complete the 12 debit purchase transactions for may. ABT does not waive first month.
X35
Thrifty Member
posted: May. 20, 2008 @ 11:06a
To anybody that already has more than one of the AB&T accounts. Do they allow you to transfer money between your accounts with there website?
rueng5
Member
posted: May. 20, 2008 @ 11:24a
OP, where does it state that the APY until Arpil 2009?
MikeR397
Senior Member - 3K
posted: May. 20, 2008 @ 11:29a
rueng5 said: OP, where does it state that the APY until Arpil 2009?I don't know where its stated officially, but I called and asked them about this yesterday and they confirmed it is until April 2009.
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mh83
Senior Member
posted: Jun. 7, 2009 @ 4:35a
ThursdaysChild said: I just tested the timing of a pull by Ally from AZB&T: it posted at Ally and at AZB&T the same day, so there goes the strategy of double interest over the weekend. That’s odd, it worked for me. I successfully emptied my ABT accounts last weekend in this manner:
Using Ally, I scheduled a pull from each ABT account to start on Friday, May 29. - Friday, May 29, the funds credited to Ally - Monday, June 1, the funds debited from ABT
After seeing on Monday, June 1, that I withdrew less than I intended to on some accounts, I moved the excess to one ABT account and scheduled another Ally pull to start on Tuesday, June 2. - Tuesday, June 2, the funds credited to Ally - Wednesday, June 3, the funds debited from ABT
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