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hoxbox
- Senior Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2008 @ 11:48a
One of two things will happen: 1. Gas prices go up, MyGallons goes bankrupt because they cannot afford current gas locked in at lower previous prices. 2. Gas prices go down, MyGallons rakes it in but you're screwed. |
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Reots
- Ancient Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2008 @ 11:53a
If gas prices go any higher, demand will tank as everyone will be driving less, buying hybrids and taking public transit. This company will go out of business soon enough, better bet investing in Sharper Image giftcards... |
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Airjrdn
- Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2008 @ 12:36p
One big problem lies in the fine print: MyGallons will adjust your account, in gallons, to reflect the higher priced fuel They state: FAQs said:This is no different than if you had to pay that station out of your pocket compared to going to another lower-priced station. But I disagree. The whole reason for this is to protect yourself from rising gas prices. I know they need to protect themselves, but they should do that via the recurring fee, not when they deem it necessary without input or agreement from you. |
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RedWolfe01
- Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2008 @ 12:37p
StormShadow said:If gas prices go any higher, demand will tank as everyone will be driving less, buying hybrids and taking public transit. This company will go out of business soon enough, better bet investing in Sharper Image giftcards... <snicker> People said that when gas was $2 a gallon, too. I do agree that people will drive less though. Mass Transit isn't going to work for anyone its not already working for -- if you live near a mass transit that goes where you need to go you probably moved there on purpose to use it anyway. Thats actually the reason that Hybrids are selling so well right now -- most Americans are NOT willing to drive less. If they can convince themselves that they are getting twice the fuel economy then they will drive twice as much. For the most part Americans are moving the same way Europe did years ago when their gas prices moved into the $5/gal range. When they buy a new vehicle its a more efficient/smaller one. Whats funny is that one of the big issues for the US Automakers was the fleet average economy - its why they overpriced SUVs and had the econoboxs discounted so heavily. Now they are pricing UP the econo-cars and fireselling the SUVs. Its a win-win for the US companies since they were getting hammered by the CAFE Fleet standard. NHTSA They were pushing the econo-cars in the past to lower their average. (since SUVs were so popular) |
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jayK
- Senior Member - JayK
posted: Jul. 1, 2008 @ 12:39p
hoxbox said:One of two things will happen: 1. Gas prices go up, MyGallons goes bankrupt because they cannot afford current gas locked in at lower previous prices. 2. Gas prices go down, MyGallons rakes it in but you're screwed.And if gas prices stay the same, you're still screwed because you paid unnecessary fees, and you lost out on your 5% cash-back. |
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Xcali
- Senior Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2008 @ 12:41p
Q What if I really need gas now and the only station is charging really high prices? A Most stations charge a fair and reasonable price for fuel. Some stations charge much more than the current average price in their area. We encourage you to avoid these high priced stations. If you must use one on occasion, MyGallons will adjust your account, in gallons, to reflect the higher priced fuel. This is no different than if you had to pay that station out of your pocket compared to going to another lower-priced station.
Then what's the point of this "service"? It seems to me that you're paying a hefty fee to get a very small discount. As tulsastorm said, the break even points are pretty high, plus their own FAQ shows numerous ways they can charge you more. I'll still with a 5% rewards credit card. |
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jayK
- Senior Member - JayK
posted: Jul. 1, 2008 @ 12:41p
RedWolfe01 said:I do agree that people will drive less though. Mass Transit isn't going to work for anyone its not already working for -- if you live near a mass transit that goes where you need to go you probably moved there on purpose to use it anyway.
Thats actually the reason that Hybrids are selling so well right now -- most Americans are NOT willing to drive less. Americans are already driving less: 1.4 billion miles less in April 08 vs. April 07. http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/06/18/driving.cutbacks/ |
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dblevitan
- Tired Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2008 @ 12:42p
Airjrdn said: They state: FAQs said:This is no different than if you had to pay that station out of your pocket compared to going to another lower-priced station.
But I disagree. The whole reason for this is to protect yourself from rising gas prices. I know they need to protect themselves, but they should do that via the recurring fee, not when they deem it necessary without input or agreement from you. This is fine. What they mean by that statement is "If you fill up at the most expensive station in your area, we're not paying for it." If you notice, they'll also charge you less if you fill up at a cheap station. You buy gallons and then any adjustments are made relative to the current price. Which means its important to know what the current price is. For example: You buy 10 gallons at a price for $4.50 A month later, you decide to use it, and the price on MyGallons is now $5.00 If you go to the station that charges you $5.25, they charge you 1.1 gallons for every 1 gallon you pump If you go to the station that charges you $4.75, they charge you 0.9 gallons for every 1 gallon you pump (These numbers are completely made up, but the illustrate the point as far as I understand) |
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biggie22
- Senior Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2008 @ 12:44p
I would think hedging with the previously mentioned Gasoline ETF would be a much wiser choice. |
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Snaglpus00
- New Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2008 @ 12:51p
Bycracky said:Although it's not exactly the same it seems it would be a lot safer and easier to just buy sufficient amounts of an oil ETF to hedge your gasoline purchases. It would avoid the risks and fees inherent in this company. Too bad they don't yet have a gasoline ETF  They do have a Gas ETF, I know some people that has invested in it, here is some info: http://www.etftrends.com/2008/02/first-gas-etf-l.html ~K |
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WhyAskWhy
- Senior Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2008 @ 2:32p
Looks like MyGallons.com got its free ad in here. Fee kills the deal for me. |
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BurninUp
- Senior Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2008 @ 2:59p
this dumb - What about when our congress forces Saudi to reduce oil prices and congress forces oil co execs to reduce prices and bush opens up coastline Gas prices will go down. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA UP UP and AWAY.
Peak oil is HERE |
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SlimTim
- Senior Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2008 @ 3:11p
MyGallons.com said:Q Am I pre-purchasing the gas with tax? A No. You are pre-purchasing regular unleaded gasoline and paying for estimated taxes based on the tax rates in your home location at the time of your pre-purchase. MyGallons uses this method since we have no control over taxes. If taxes go up or down, your account will be adjusted accordingly.Specious justification emphasis is mine. They do have control over other price factors? |
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thok
- Tired Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2008 @ 3:46p
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flyblackbox
- New Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2008 @ 4:02p
tulsastorm said:jayK said:That's crazy, a business that makes a profit? What is this, soviet russia? 
I'm not opposed to a business being profitable, but as a consumer, I want to know what's in it for me.
Let's look at the numbers...If I pre-purchased 25 gallons of gas, the price of gas would have to go up $1.28 to break even with the initial fees...not counting any adjustments. If I pre-purchased 50 gallons, the price would have to go up $.64. Pre-purchase 100 gallons, prices would have to go up to $.32 to break even. When you reload with 25 gallons, gas prices would have to go up $.08 to break even. 50 gallons, $.04 . 100 gallons, $.02. I suppose you could save money on down the line if you speculate correctly that gas prices will continue to rise sharply, but if this company goes belly up like Priceline's gas card, there is no guarantee you will get your money/gallons back.
When I read the Yahoo! article, it sounded good, but the article doesn't mention the fees. Now it's got me thinking how much MyGallons paid Yahoo!/Reuters for the such a lavish article. Your math is correct, but you aren't thinking about how someone would realistically use this card. I use about 60 gallons of gas a month (15 per week). If I use this card to pre-purchase all of my gas at the beginning of the month, the price would only have to increase over the course of the month an average of 4 cents per gallon to pay for that months portion of the annual fee.
Look at these charts: http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx In June the price of gas went from $4/g to $4.25/g. You would save money on a month like this. Many analysts have speculated that the price of gas will go past $5/g by this time next year. It seems to me like you will at least break even, I don't see the cost of gas going down. |
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hejustlaughs
- Senior Member - 1K
posted: Jul. 1, 2008 @ 4:06p
Gas isn't quite expensive enough yet to go through this whole hassle. |
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lorcha
- Cranky Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2008 @ 4:08p
hejustlaughs said:Gas isn't quite expensive enough yet to go through this whole hassle.Maybe you should lock the price in now, then? |
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Airjrdn
- Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2008 @ 4:37p
dblevitan said:Airjrdn said: They state: FAQs said:This is no different than if you had to pay that station out of your pocket compared to going to another lower-priced station.
But I disagree. The whole reason for this is to protect yourself from rising gas prices. I know they need to protect themselves, but they should do that via the recurring fee, not when they deem it necessary without input or agreement from you.
This is fine. What they mean by that statement is "If you fill up at the most expensive station in your area, we're not paying for it." If you notice, they'll also charge you less if you fill up at a cheap station. You buy gallons and then any adjustments are made relative to the current price. Which means its important to know what the current price is.
For example: You buy 10 gallons at a price for $4.50 A month later, you decide to use it, and the price on MyGallons is now $5.00 If you go to the station that charges you $5.25, they charge you 1.1 gallons for every 1 gallon you pump If you go to the station that charges you $4.75, they charge you 0.9 gallons for every 1 gallon you pump (These numbers are completely made up, but the illustrate the point as far as I understand) That's how I understood it too, it's just that they are in total control of how they determine the average, and that's a little too out of my hands for me to go along w/it. Like most everyone else here, I don't think I'll be participating in this "hot deal". |
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Sparhawk24
- Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2008 @ 5:13p
Not for nothing, but there's another way to hedge your gas prices: buy the ETF named UGA: it tracks the average US gasoline price (not sure the relative tracking inaccuracy). Say you plan to buy 500 gallons of gas this year at $4/gal current price = $2000. So, assuming you have $2000 sitting around somewhere (which you'd need for your method as well), just buy UGA in yor brokerage account (many accounts give free trades as well depending on certain factors). If gas goes up $1, you're paying $5/gallon, but your $2k worth of UGA is worth $2500 now, netting you zero. Until you've bought 500 gallons of gas, you're totally hedged (other than asset-to-ETF tracking disparity). Of course, if gas prices fall, you're boned by the same amount, but that's the risk for any hedging strategy. At the end of the day, you've agreed today that no matter what future prices are, you'll buy 500 gallons for $2000. |
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taxmantoo
- Ancient Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2008 @ 5:16p
Sparhawk24 said:Not for nothing, but there's another way to hedge your gas prices: buy the ETF named UGA: Works fine if you are expensing the gasoline in your business. Otherwise the gas you buy is a nondeductible expense and the gains on the hedge are taxable. |
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