No car = No insurance? Wrong!

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Last year I sold my car, cancelled my progressive insurance and left the country for 10 months for a research trip.

Now I am back and buying a new car and I have just learnt that I made a big mistake in allowing my insurance to lapse. (I though that it would be common sense to assume that if I have no car, I should have no insurance. Boy, was I wrong!).

Now "Progressive" quotes me premiums which may be even $200-per-6-months more than if I did not have an insurance lapse.

Lesson learned - consult an an agent when you do things which appear commonsense. I did not allow my health insurence to lapse, but this...

Any fatwalleter has any good ideas what, if anything, could be done?

I am in Ohio and have clean record, good credit and all. I complained and complained to "Progressive" that the issue of lapsed insurance was not addressed whan I was cancelling the policy last year. Any agent would mention that. Why not a CSR? They say I will have to wait 2 year to get the premiums back down and could possibly see some discounts in 1/2 year.



How much did you save by not having insurance for 10 months?


What reason did they give for the added premuim? Does any other car insurance company charge that premium as well?


Yes, you will pay higher premium if you don't have current insurance policy. Very simple solution - you go get insurance with any other company and contact Progressive about switching a month later. Done.


lampy2k4 said: How much did you save by not having insurance for 10 months?

I saved nothing, but lost a lot, as it now turns out.

I was completely oblivious that I can or should have insurance. I though that the term "lapse" only applies to people who had a car and I had no car - took metro in Europe - it was nice.

If I knew how much hassle this is going to be, I would have paid some inexpensive basic insurance - $120/year and there would be no problem. Too late now, it seems.


I faced this situation with my S.O. when we sold her car as scrap and cancelled the insurance which we thought was the smart thing to do. For a good nine months we limped along with my car and taking the bus. Eventually, after getting her another car we discovered the expensive mistake of being insuranceless.

Fortunately, here's how we salvaged the situation. When we'd originally bought the car from the dealer, they wouldn't sell it to just her alone because she didn't have insurance to drive it off the lot, so I put my name on the car title thinking we'd take it off later, but that was the key to getting good insurance rates. Instead of her calling to get the insurance, I got the insurance and because it was titled jointly, she was listed as a named insured, and later after we broke up, her name being on the declarations page was sufficient to be considered insured. As an added bonus, we became eligible for the multi-car discount.


Thanks for some good ideas. FW is always good for venting and advice when unexpected things happen with your money.

As to Chyvan's comment, I wonder what would happen if we got someone from the family who was in the country all the time to co-sign the title? But they would not be members of our household so no go, I think.


CrazierRus said: Yes, you will pay higher premium if you don't have current insurance policy. Very simple solution - you go get insurance with any other company and contact Progressive about switching a month later. Done. Most policies charge a higher premium for those who have had lapses of insurance in the last X years. Simply having a current policy won't address that.


You CAN continue car insurance as a non-owner. Insurance companies will convert you to a very inexpensive policy. Good to have if you are driving a friends car or renting cars. Then when you purchase a car again, you have had continous coverage.


You pay the additional 200 for the next 6 months and in 6 months you renew with a different company without any lapses insurance


binasv said: lampy2k4 said: How much did you save by not having insurance for 10 months?

I saved nothing, but lost a lot, as it now turns out.

OK. Let's rephrase the question.
How much would you have spent on insurance during the 10 month period if you had not canceled your policy?


I saw your post and immediately got worried as I am moving out of the country in two weeks and planned to cancel my insurance.

I called Geico to ask what their suggestion was, and they said I should simply cancel my insurance. They could offer "Name Non-Owner" liability owner insurance, but the agent did not recommend it. It would not be worth it. They said that when I called to renew, they would look over my past driving record and she noted that I was moving out of the country.


When I've gone to live overseas the past couple of times, I've kept comprehensive (but not collision) on my stored car for this very reason.


clubplanet said: I saw your post and immediately got worried as I am moving out of the country in two weeks and planned to cancel my insurance.

I called Geico to ask what their suggestion was, and they said I should simply cancel my insurance. They could offer "Name Non-Owner" liability owner insurance, but the agent did not recommend it. It would not be worth it. They said that when I called to renew, they would look over my past driving record and she noted that I was moving out of the country.

I hope that the agent you spoke to was right. I think it differs significantly from state to state. If I were you, however, I would talk to some nice independent insurance agent locally to confirm the details. I think CRS's in big insurance companies do what the company policy tells them - they don't look out so much for you etc. At least that is what I think happened to me.

"Progressive" - bet Geico too - had this basic "legal minimum" insurance which was $60/6 months. You could get something of this sort.


clampuke said: binasv said: lampy2k4 said: How much did you save by not having insurance for 10 months?

I saved nothing, but lost a lot, as it now turns out.

OK. Let's rephrase the question.
How much would you have spent on insurance during the 10 month period if you had not canceled your policy?

All I know is that a minimum/basic coverage (issued for the vehicle which I did not own any more) me would not cost me more than $150/year, but I don't know any quotes for this "Name non-owner" insurance, which probably would have been the best.


The problem with letting your car insurance lapse is that the insurance company won't pay for pre-existing dents.


All of the carriers I have worked at surcharge between 25-40% if your insurance has lapsed. The kicker is that not one insurer will take this surcharge off of your policy no matter how long you stay with them.

Pay the extra for 6 months and switch carriers.


InsuranceGuy said: All of the carriers I have worked at surcharge between 25-40% if your insurance has lapsed. The kicker is that not one insurer will take this surcharge off of your policy no matter how long you stay with them.

Pay the extra for 6 months and switch carriers.

Odd, isn't it? For one, you generally can't have car insurance unless you have an insurable interest in an automobile to begin with...


binasv said: clampuke said: binasv said: lampy2k4 said: How much did you save by not having insurance for 10 months?

I saved nothing, but lost a lot, as it now turns out.

OK. Let's rephrase the question.
How much would you have spent on insurance during the 10 month period if you had not canceled your policy?


All I know is that a minimum/basic coverage (issued for the vehicle which I did not own any more) me would not cost me more than $150/year, but I don't know any quotes for this "Name non-owner" insurance, which probably would have been the best.

Named non-owner. It's a policy popular among these who drive cars other people own on a regular basis. This includes rentals and is way cheaper than the $10-$15 "protection" they want to tack on.


it would be good if you could close out the account except for something like a $20 add on for rescue towing during the ten months

don't know if something like this work --- but on FW ever angle is usually tried


so whats the cheapest "Named non-owner" policy out there?

If its really just $60 or $150 per year, might be some strategies there. I was always under the impression it cost even more than regular owned insurance


SUCKISSTAPLES said: so whats the cheapest "Named non-owner" policy out there?

If its really just $60 or $150 per year, might be some strategies there. I was always under the impression it cost even more than regular owned insurance
I had a ho once who said because she had a $60 policy it was ok for her to floss my ride.


mmy613 said: You pay the additional 200 for the next 6 months and in 6 months you renew with a different company without any lapses insurance

Everyone I've dealt with goes back at least two years of consecutive coverage.


In California, surcharges for not having prior insurance are illegal: link


Thanks for the heads up.

I'd try shopping around other insurers than Progressive. No two insurers have the same premium tables so you may find one with low or no penalty for having no prior insurance.

I'm also in OH too, and Erie Insurance had both a better customer rating and lower cost than Progressive by a bunch (excellent credit, clean record). Anyway, considering how Progressive is treating you now, I wouldn't feel any loyalty going back to them. Shop around and see what quotes you get.

Aside from that, it's really a pretty screwy system to have to keep some kind of auto insurance even if you don't drive one for extended periods.


Geico has been friendly to drivers returning from extended stays out of the country. Their online quote engine even includes "No, I was on deployment or overseas" as an answer to the question "Currently Insured?".


lp244 said: Geico has been friendly to drivers returning from extended stays out of the country. Their online quote engine even includes "No, I was on deployment or overseas" as an answer to the question "Currently Insured?".

Thanks for this piece of info. My quote got instantly better!


Geico is awesome. They are some of the lowest in Arizona for high risk, 24 y.o. males *yours truely*

Progressive quoted me something like 350/month for full coverage, with geico its significantly cheaper.


I'm returning too. When I left, Amica told me that I should cancel my insurance, even though I said I'd like to stay on. I'm hoping that having auto insurance overseas will be enough for American insurers to consider, and a letter from overseas saying I've had no claims.

I would have done the named non-owner though if I had known about it. Hopefully it will save someone else. I haven't done any quotes yet, so I don't know if I'm screwed or not.


juniorjam said: The problem with letting your car insurance lapse is that the insurance company won't pay for pre-existing dents.

All insurance companies require a inspection (I know this for a fact in NY and NJ) at the time you buy insurance from them for the first time. If you are buying a new car (registering it for the first time), this inspection is waived.


I recently asked USAA about non-owner insurance for me and my wife and they quoted it at $501/year (most of which is for liability insurance). We have never owned a car, have perfect driving records, and have not been on any auto insurance policy for a few years. Both of us are in our mid-20's. We live in the Boston area. I'm not sure what information is relevant to pricing non-owner insurance.


ajny said:
All insurance companies require a inspection (I know this for a fact in NY and NJ) at the time you buy insurance from them for the first time. If you are buying a new car (registering it for the first time), this inspection is waived.

I quote/compare every 6 months when renewal, and I was asked for visual inspection for only 1 time. I am in CA.


Time to shop around auto insurance.


I recently asked USAA about non-owner insurance for me and my wife and they quoted it at $501/year (most of which is for liability insurance). We have never owned a car, have perfect driving records, and have not been on any auto insurance policy for a few years. Both of us are in our mid-20's. We live in the Boston area. I'm not sure what information is relevant to pricing non-owner insurance.

Interesting - we have the non-owner policy from USAA in NY and it's $115 every 6 months. We did have their insurance before, which may account for the lower price.

One other thing to note - some of these non-owner policies can be helpful when renting cars - we have used ours to supplement coverage provided by AMEX.


Try calling around. I had the same problem when I went carless for a number of months. After calling a bunch of places I finally got someone who gave me a break and understood that since I had no car, I had no need for car insurance.


ajny said: juniorjam said: The problem with letting your car insurance lapse is that the insurance company won't pay for pre-existing dents.

All insurance companies require a inspection (I know this for a fact in NY and NJ) at the time you buy insurance from them for the first time. If you are buying a new car (registering it for the first time), this inspection is waived.

I've never had any new insurer do a vehicle inspection.

I can't see how a lapse in insurance has anything to do with pre-existing dents.


binasv said: Last year I sold my car, cancelled my progressive insurance and left the country for 10 months for a research trip.

Now I am back and buying a new car and I have just learnt that I made a big mistake in allowing my insurance to lapse. (I though that it would be common sense to assume that if I have no car, I should have no insurance. Boy, was I wrong!).

Now "Progressive" quotes me premiums which may be even $200-per-6-months more than if I did not have an insurance lapse.

Lesson learned - consult an an agent when you do things which appear commonsense. I did not allow my health insurence to lapse, but this...

Any fatwalleter has any good ideas what, if anything, could be done?

I am in Ohio and have clean record, good credit and all. I complained and complained to "Progressive" that the issue of lapsed insurance was not addressed whan I was cancelling the policy last year. Any agent would mention that. Why not a CSR? They say I will have to wait 2 year to get the premiums back down and could possibly see some discounts in 1/2 year.

let's play with hypotheticals though... what if you went to europe for 5 years. would you want to pay insurance for 5 years (and not even having a car) just so you could save 200 a month for the first 6 months (after you get your car)?

i'm using this as an example because you probably weren't sure where you were gonna be 1 year after selling your car and moving to europe.




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