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I just wanted to throw in my 2 bits on cars. I see people waste a lot of money on cars. I used to be one of them. Cars are guarenteed to lose value no matter what brand the car is. For the past few years I have only bought salvage title or branded title cars. I have a good mechanical knowledge because I worked in a mechanic shop for a few years, but anyone can do this if you get the car thoroughly checked out before you buy it.

Track record

1997 Dodge Neon highline bought in 2005. I paid $1900 out the door at a mazda dealer. I drove it for 1.5 years without anything going wrong. I never had to replace the tires, etc. Only oil changes. The car was totaled again after someone ran a red light and hit me in an intersection. The insurance company paid 75% of the market value. They cut me a check for $2400. I make $500 on a $1900 car.

I now have two 2005 Dodge Neon SXT's I like Neon's, but that is not why I have had so many. There are a lot of them around and parts are readily available. Mine had 6500 ACTUAL miles on it and was bought in Jan. 2007 to replace my '97 neon that was totaled again. I paid $6500 for it. At the time blue book was $12,000. I replaced the dash because the gas guage was bad, and did a SRT-4 spoiler (painted from eBay deal for $120) and altezza tail lights with LED's for $70 again from eBay. I have a custom car with a bluetooth car stereo for much less than a clean title and it has much less miles than a clean title of the same year.
My wife's was $5,000 and had 25,000 ACTUAL miles. It has been hit twice since we bought it in March 2007. I have done the work myself and bought the parts on eBay. I have been able topocket over $1000 by taking the insurance payout and doing the work myself.

My car now has close to 30,000 miles and has not had any problems, not has my wife's. Basically we got 2 Neon's for the price of 1! They outlast any clear title car. One other option is you can buy a much nicer car than you could normally afford without throwing your wallet away. As mentioned below salvage title cars should be 50% of the market value. So you should be able to get a rebuilt Infinity for half the price. If it is repaired correctly no one will know the car is rebuilt except for you but you will get the pride or whatever for having a luxury car.

You must be careful though.
1. Salvage title cars should be work 50% of the market value even though insurance pays out more. Avoid paying more.
2. Plan on keeping the car for a long time. Keeping any car for a long time makes the most sense, but especially salvage title cars. You will have a hard time selling a branded title car, hence the reason one can buy one for so cheap. People are scared when they hear "salvaged title".
3. Make sure the tires are not worn improperly and the car doesn't pull. This could be due to frame damage and will make your car destroy tires quickly.
4. Always have it inspected by a mechanic you trust and tell them it is a salvage title so they look very closely.

Feel free to ask questions.

I wanted to add that I always look for parts on eBay and at junk yards to save hundreds of dollars. Junk yards are great because they are good parts from cars that have been wrecked. IE you could get a painted hood for you vehicle for cheap from a junk yard car that was hit in the back. You can usually talk them down on their price as well. With eBay just be careful for crappy aftermarket products. Some are good some are bad. The feedback will be a great help in determining the quality.

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Cliffs:

1) Buy cheap salvage car
2) Fix it with eBay
3) Wait to get rear-ended
4) ???
5) Profit

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Interesting personal story, but I don't think the average user would go around buying salvaged cars, spend lots of man hours fixing them, and then hope to get into an accident so they can cash out.

Edit: I'm not saying you ever HOPE to be in an accident, but it somewhat sounds like it's paramount to the plan.

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FarmerOak said:Interesting personal story, but I don't think the average user would go around buying salvaged cars, spend lots of man hours fixing them, and then hope to get into an accident so they can cash out.

Edit: I'm not saying you ever HOPE to be in an accident, but it somewhat sounds like it's paramount to the plan.

I think you are missing my point. I probably wasn't clear. First I don't desire to have the cars wrecked. I want to keep them til they die from use, not from being wrecked. Second I didn't have to fix them up. They were already repaired at the price I paid. the 50% price is after they were repaired. I did repair my wife's car again after it was hit, but I chose to do so to save money. The other drivers insurance would have paid to have it repaired professionally if I had chosen that route.

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I'm driving one now - got hit back in the spring.

Bought my vehicle back for $900 (no frame damage, air bags didn't deploy).

Parts to repair = $400...i made calls to 20 junkyards until I found parts that were the same color, saving a ton on having them repainted.

Still books for about 7 grand, and the difference the insurance company paid is now working to make me more $$$

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I likewise think that people spend a ton on cars mainly to impress women and their friends who likely barely notice.

If you want to minimize the damage, don't play the game, ie. spend as little (within reason) for a car.

eBay is GREAT for finding super cheap cars.

Never go to a dealership. That is just plain stupid.

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Don't buy American.

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Ouch... did I get a negative for buying American? LOL Dodge technically wasn't American in 2005 as they were part of Diamler right? I do agree with you as far as the car product though. American cars don't seem to be very hot these days, but I do prefer to keep my $ in the USA when possible. That is hard when everything is made in China. The Neon's have been excellent cars though. I get low 30 MPG and it was cheap/no repairs.

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ryryfree said:Ouch... did I get a negative for buying American? LOL Dodge technically wasn't American in 2005 as they were part of Diamler right? I do agree with you as far as the car product though. American cars don't seem to be very hot these days, but I do prefer to keep my $ in the USA when possible. That is hard when everything is made in China. The Neon's have been excellent cars though. I get low 30 MPG and it was cheap/no repairs.

Obviously you dont know triple Kevin. He is a character alright ignore him.

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Few issues you're welcome to clear up since you welcome questions:

1. Don't most people avoid salvaged title precisely because they are a much larger failure risk. I get that you have a mechanic's eye (which most of us don't) and are able to pick likely winners, but in the end it seems like luck is a big factor here.

2. Aren't these vehicles cursed? I mean, they're already salvaged title, and you buy them and they immediately get hit. Seems like bad karma.

3. Dodge. Are you seriously recommending that those willing to play risky with salvaged titles further decrease their odds by going with American makers?

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iSeller said:Few issues you're welcome to clear up since you welcome questions:

1. Don't most people avoid salvaged title precisely because they are a much larger failure risk. I get that you have a mechanic's eye (which most of us don't) and are able to pick likely winners, but in the end it seems like luck is a big factor here.

2. Aren't these vehicles cursed? I mean, they're already salvaged title, and you buy them and they immediately get hit. Seems like bad karma.

3. Dodge. Are you seriously recommending that those willing to play risky with salvaged titles further decrease their odds by going with American makers?

1. That is why I suggest having a mechanic look over it well. They should be able to spot any big problems. If not heck you would have to pay your purchase price again in repairs to have paid the same as a clear title. So I feel it is a good bet. I am 3 for 3 so far.

2. Drivers are stupid. I had been hit in an intersection by someone running a red light twice since 2004. One car was a salvaged title and one was a clear title. My wife got hit by an 80+ year old lady who pulled out without looking (or she just couldn't see) and hit her front quarter panel. I would say maybe I had the bad karma if anything. The clear title car that got hit in the intersection was stolen 2 weeks before it was wrecked. The police found the car, I fixed it and then it got totaled. So I have bad luck with wrecks with clean and salvaged titles. You could say I have good luck also because we haven't been injured in any of the accidents.

3. I don't really recommend and certain type of car. I just found plenty of Neon's when i was looking. A Honda Civic would be another great find. I just didn't find as many available when I was looking. I did recommend this to a friend though and he dud find a lower mileage Civic for a good price.

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codename47 said:I likewise think that people spend a ton on cars mainly to impress women

I don;t spend hardly anything on cars and impress women all the time.

Oh, did you mean favorably impress?

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ryryfree said:Ouch... did I get a negative for buying American? LOL Dodge technically wasn't American in 2005 as they were part of Diamler right? I do agree with you as far as the car product though. American cars don't seem to be very hot these days, but I do prefer to keep my $ in the USA when possible. That is hard when everything is made in China. The Neon's have been excellent cars though. I get low 30 MPG and it was cheap/no repairs.

I have a civic. It was made in east liberty, ohio. A good friend of mine has a PT cruiser. It was made in toluca, mexico. Who's driving the american car?

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ryryfree said:Cars are guarenteed to lose value no matter what brand the car is.

Not necessarity true. My civic hybrid actually APPRECIATED in the last 3 or 4 months, so sayeth KBB and Edmunds, and that's taking into account my mileage.

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How much are you paying for car insurance? They must not be too happy about all your unfortunate accidents.

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oopsz said:ryryfree said:Ouch... did I get a negative for buying American? LOL Dodge technically wasn't American in 2005 as they were part of Diamler right? I do agree with you as far as the car product though. American cars don't seem to be very hot these days, but I do prefer to keep my $ in the USA when possible. That is hard when everything is made in China. The Neon's have been excellent cars though. I get low 30 MPG and it was cheap/no repairs.

I have a civic. It was made in east liberty, ohio. A good friend of mine has a PT cruiser. It was made in toluca, mexico. Who's driving the american car?


I drive a civic as well but it is still not an America car. Follow the money.

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Theres no need to buy salvaged cars (or Neons) to get cars very cheap and minimize/eliminate losing money on cars. For the past 15 years I have not lost a penny and made close to six figures buying cars I like, driving them a bit and reselling.

And they arent Neons, I usually go for sports/luxury cars....Mercedes, Jaguar Maserati Lincoln etc. I dont understand why savvy FW'ers, who are able to do a PM/AC/AR/YMMV deal, resell on eBay like its the back of their hand and do it blinfolded and underwater. at the SAME time somehow believe they must spend $20-40k+ on a car which is going to lose half or more of that upon resale/tradein. It makes no sense. Why spend all that time saving $50 on a printer if you are losing $300/month depreciation on your car?

FW readers know how to get PAID to buy software, getting expensive tech items FAR/paid to buy them, etc. Your friends probably dont believe you but you know how to do it. The exact same thing can be done with cars.

There are multiple ways to buy and drive cars with 0 depreciation, and it does NOT mean you need to buy Neons, salvaged cars or even used cars. At one time or another all the strategies have been mentioned in this forum. There are "exotic/popular" cars such as The Mini, VW New Beetle , Dodge Challenger etc that were/will be very popular at launch, and the early depositors can make good money buying, driving a bit and reselling. Then there are the "ad cars" where particularly good dealer discount/rebate enables you to get a deal so good brand new, you can drive a few years and resell for more (the Saab 9-2x thred in HD was one example). Then theres the auction strategy. Then there is focusing on cars with collector interest. Then there is the salvage/repair angle. Literally SO MANY ways for FWers not to lose money on cars.

Unfortunately there seems to be more interest in the new BMW 0.9% financing and European delivery topics, seeing as how every young FW'er wants a 3 series upon graduation.

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SUCKISSTAPLES said:
Unfortunately there seems to be more interest in the new BMW 0.9% financing and European delivery topics, seeing as how every young FW'er wants a 3 series upon graduation.

I want a Civic coupe when I graduate.

 

My current car was bought on craigslist - a 1997 Toyota Camry that had around 130,000 miles on it for $3,000. Had to get new shocks and tires, but otherwise it performed great. Total costs were around $350, but at the time KBB had it at $5500.

When I get my Civic SI in 3-4 years, I'll probably get a 2006-7 (so at that time will be 5-6 years old) for well under $10,000

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mhudson said:oopsz said:ryryfree said:Ouch... did I get a negative for buying American? LOL Dodge technically wasn't American in 2005 as they were part of Diamler right? I do agree with you as far as the car product though. American cars don't seem to be very hot these days, but I do prefer to keep my $ in the USA when possible. That is hard when everything is made in China. The Neon's have been excellent cars though. I get low 30 MPG and it was cheap/no repairs.

I have a civic. It was made in east liberty, ohio. A good friend of mine has a PT cruiser. It was made in toluca, mexico. Who's driving the american car?



I drive a civic as well but it is still not an America car. Follow the money.

I think he did follow the money, when 37% of a PT cruiser is domestic content vs. 70% for a Honda Civic (up from 55% last year) at a minimum stays in the U.S., a vehicle's profit (or lack thereof) really isn't much of a factor. Unless of course a PT cruiser now costs around $40K, then yeah, the Honda is definitely more of an American vehicle for sure in terms of dollar amount staying here.

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