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Glitch99
- Senior Member - 5K
posted: Aug. 28, 2008 @ 7:56a
Rorer714 said:What about a Citi Cash Returns card. You can kill them on the 5% (Cash Back) for three months.1)When I applied back in the spring, they insisted on pulling EXP; I didnt let them so it was denied. As Citi has otherwise pulled EQ for me, I'm hoping that was a fluke for that card only and the other cards will accept my EQ report. 2)I decided I can make better use of 3% for a year than 5% for 3 months. I'll have large balances on my report when the promo expires, so I wont be able to get a replacement card (or reapply for another CashReturns). 3)Some have reported issues with the account being closed, and since this will coincide with A0R balances and new accounts I dont want to risk running up $XXX,000 in purchases only to loose the rewards when Citi gets spooked. Esp via GCO, where I'd be stuck eating the 2% fee. If the AMEX card is denied for whatever reason, I'll throw in the CashReturns as a second choice. |
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markkundinger
- Senior Member - 2K
posted: Aug. 28, 2008 @ 8:18a
Glitch99 said:My thinking was that I just need an approval as the credit limit already exists, whereas with Chase and (especially) Citi I'll have a chance of scoring atleast one decent new line. Here's my personal hypothesis: credit score and inquiries factor primarily into the app decision process, which is a binary decision (yes/no). The determinination of credit limits, on the other hand, has many more variables, of which credit score is only one (income, spending, existing CLs with lender, CLs on other cards, credit buckets, etc). Pushing an app lower down on the list increases denial chances faster than it increases "low credit limit" chances, and if it's a lender that has a lot of good reallocation prospects, then a denial would be tragic. Hyper-bumpage with TU is an option if you want to get, say, 5 or 8 monitoring services, and try to bump off inquiries within a week or so. Too much work for me personally. |
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downhillskier
- Member
posted: Aug. 28, 2008 @ 8:40a
Glitch99 said:Rorer714 said:What about a Citi Cash Returns card. You can kill them on the 5% (Cash Back) for three months.1)When I applied back in the spring, they insisted on pulling EXP; I didnt let them so it was denied. As Citi has otherwise pulled EQ for me, I'm hoping that was a fluke for that card only and the other cards will accept my EQ report.
2)I decided I can make better use of 3% for a year than 5% for 3 months. I'll have large balances on my report when the promo expires, so I wont be able to get a replacement card (or reapply for another CashReturns).
3)Some have reported issues with the account being closed, and since this will coincide with A0R balances and new accounts I dont want to risk running up $XXX,000 in purchases only to loose the rewards when Citi gets spooked. Esp via GCO, where I'd be stuck eating the 2% fee.
If the AMEX card is denied for whatever reason, I'll throw in the CashReturns as a second choice. Citi seems to have switched to exclusively pulling EX. In the past, they have always pulled TU for me (as late as this past April), but they have started pulling EX in the past few months. I've seen reports of them switching to EX for other cards as well. So, if you don't want them to pull EX, then you may need to avoid Citi altogether. Also, as a datapoint, I have high balances (~$95K) from a couple of mini-AORs (6-8 apps each) and rolling thunder applications, but I've gotten approved for two CashReturns cards so far - one in April, another in July. When I applied for the second one, I was up to 22 open cards less than 12 months old. |
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Glitch99
- Senior Member - 5K
posted: Aug. 28, 2008 @ 1:40p
downhillskier said:Citi seems to have switched to exclusively pulling EX. In the past, they have always pulled TU for me (as late as this past April), but they have started pulling EX in the past few months. I've seen reports of them switching to EX for other cards as well. So, if you don't want them to pull EX, then you may need to avoid Citi altogether.I'm afraid of this happening with Citi (and BofA, I've read). So I'll unfreeze EXP after everyone else does their thing (I think Chase and USBank will pull elsewhere) so that the BofA and 3 Citi cards can be processed. I'll take the 4 inquiry hit, but already have 21 on EXP so I want to limit it as much as possible. |
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peteypablo
- Senior Member
posted: Aug. 28, 2008 @ 2:27p
downhillskier said:Citi seems to have switched to exclusively pulling EX. My experience is contrary. Citi pulled EX like crazy for everyone at my address in January and March, 2008. With DW's EX frozen, they pulled TU twice, in June and again in August, without a peep. |
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Glitch99
- Senior Member - 5K
posted: Aug. 28, 2008 @ 9:59p
I reshuffled my application list. Moved Chase Personal card down; I decided I'm going to reallocate as much limit to the new Chase Biz as possible, including personal lines. Its a corporate account, but I'm going to commandeer it for personal use. Since I therefore wont need a personal account w/0%, and I dont expect to get much new limit from it anyways, it's become a low priority. Citi is either going to pull an alternative report, or insist on EXP. I've placed them high - Assoc Bank has given sweet limits of late, Citi Biz will hopefully consolidate limits, and Citi AMEX's 3%/5% rewards will be worth in excess of $2,000 over the next year - to maximize results in case they pull an alternative, if they insist on EXP its irrelevant. AT&T Biz will only be applied for based on the results of the first three. BofA is expected to require EXP to be unfrozen, so it doesnt matter where it is on the list. And they're going to steal existing lines to create the new card regardless, so even if they do pull an alternate, showing a couple extra inquiries shouldnt make a difference. Why do I have Wachovia Biz listed as no-BT-fee? I cant find any language regarding BT fees on their site, where did I see this (or did I misread something)? I'm debating this one - if included it has to be at the top or at the very end, as I'll be submitting apps late at night after the call center has closed. I'll have to either call to apply earlier that day, or the following morning. |
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Glitch99
- Senior Member - 5K
posted: Aug. 30, 2008 @ 9:38p
Glitch99 said:Called Citi to consolidate PremierPass Biz ($10k limit) into CitiBiz Plat Select ($15k limit). CSR said only $8k could be reallocated, submitted the request, should see online within a day or two. Will call back to close the PP card once it processes, as a annual fee will be charged in a month, and will try to consolidate the remaining $2k limit at that time.It didnt process, and when i called today the CSR said it was because the Plat Select card (the 'target') has an open 0% offer. It didnt matter that the PremierPass has an identical 0% offer as well. If I wait until the 0% officially expires next month, it should consolidate without issue. Unfortunately I cant do that, as the PP will charge its annual fee around that same time. As the CSR seem rather efficient, I told her to convert the PP to a generic Biz account with no annual fee. She said I should get the new card within a week. Once I do, I will call back to attempt consolidating again. |
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PolarDude
- Senior Member - 1K
posted: Aug. 31, 2008 @ 3:59a
I'd wait the extra 3 weeks and do it oct 1, unless you really need the cash. Fico should jump a bit. Are you sure all those banks allow multiple accounts? HSBC, Nat City, and Wachovia concern me a bit. I don't see RBS on your list. |
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rsean78
- Thrifty Member
posted: Sep. 1, 2008 @ 1:59p
Will US Bank reallocate? Do they even allow multiple accounts?
US bank allows multiple accounts. I have 1 (US Bank Baylor) from last year and was just approved for the US Bank Linux. I'm still trying to find out whether they allow reallocation/consolidation. A bit off topic, but might be of interest: I closed my 2 y.o dormant Advanta in hope of reapplying and getting the 15 month promo BT. Time between closing & reapplying is approx 5 days. It was approved, but to my surprise got a lot lower CL (had 20k, was approved with only 2.5k). When I activate I will see if I can talk them into raising the CL. |
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Pat212
- Member
posted: Sep. 1, 2008 @ 9:24p
jakeru said:Glitch99 said:And I churned about $200k worth of GCO purchases last winter using cards from many different issuers, so if I'll ever look like a profitable customer it's now.*gasp!* And makes sense to me! Good luck. Is there any additional info on this? Search didn't come up with anything. |
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Glitch99
- Senior Member - 5K
posted: Sep. 1, 2008 @ 9:28p
Pat212 said:jakeru said:Glitch99 said:And I churned about $200k worth of GCO purchases last winter using cards from many different issuers, so if I'll ever look like a profitable customer it's now.*gasp!* And makes sense to me! Good luck.
Is there any additional info on this? Search didn't come up with anything.Google Checkout - had a fee-free processing promo until last February (now its 2%). |
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Glitch99
- Senior Member - 5K
posted: Sep. 1, 2008 @ 10:36p
rsean78 said:A bit off topic, but might be of interest: I closed my 2 y.o dormant Advanta in hope of reapplying and getting the 15 month promo BT. Time between closing & reapplying is approx 5 days. It was approved, but to my surprise got a lot lower CL (had 20k, was approved with only 2.5k). When I activate I will see if I can talk them into raising the CL.That's what I did to get the current promo - my limit actually went up from $4k (old card) to $12.5k (new card). I'm planning to ride out the 15-months then try to repeat - mid-January will give me 3-4 months to get rid of inquiries, and we'll see how sensitive they are to outstanding personal balances....... |
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Ipecac
- Member
posted: Sep. 2, 2008 @ 3:13a
Glitch99 said:Glitch99 said:Called Citi to consolidate PremierPass Biz ($10k limit) into CitiBiz Plat Select ($15k limit). CSR said only $8k could be reallocated, submitted the request, should see online within a day or two. Will call back to close the PP card once it processes, as a annual fee will be charged in a month, and will try to consolidate the remaining $2k limit at that time.It didnt process, and when i called today the CSR said it was because the Plat Select card (the 'target') has an open 0% offer. It didnt matter that the PremierPass has an identical 0% offer as well. If I wait until the 0% officially expires next month, it should consolidate without issue. Unfortunately I cant do that, as the PP will charge its annual fee around that same time.
As the CSR seem rather efficient, I told her to convert the PP to a generic Biz account with no annual fee. She said I should get the new card within a week. Once I do, I will call back to attempt consolidating again. Yeah, it took me about 5 calls to 5 different CSRs before I could consolidate my Biz premierpass to Biz Plat Select, but it eventually worked. The first four CSRs had Indian accents and the one that finally did it was American. Each kept me on hold for fifteen minutes or so trying to do the consolidation. If I had to do it again, I would probably just hang up and call back until I got someone from a U.S. call center. |
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Glitch99
- Senior Member - 5K
posted: Sep. 4, 2008 @ 6:39a
My Experian report is now showing zero balances across the board, so I suspect PM123 will confirm TU and EQ to be at zero as well when I update tonight. If so, will call Wachovia Biz Friday during the day, and submit all other apps late Friday evening. |
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KOAM
- Member
posted: Sep. 5, 2008 @ 9:13p
Don't do Discover or the M&T Bank business cards. Discover gives stingy credit lines and M&T wants bank and other statements to prove my long-standing business exists. |
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Glitch99
- Senior Member - 5K
posted: Sep. 5, 2008 @ 9:33p
Scores all updated with $0 balances (unfortunately, HELOC has already reported $57,500 balance, but shouldnt hurt being secured debt). TU score as of app day: 784 (via PM123) EQ score as of app day: 802 (via PM123) EX score unknown, assuming mid-700s 12 Apps submitted (listed in order in QS). (Skipped HSBC Biz because they require docs, skipped National City Biz just because I felt like it.) App#1; Wachovia Biz status unknown, called Friday 9/5 AM to apply, rep says call bank in 48-72 hours for application status. App#2; Bank Atlantic declined due to having sufficient credit, will call Monday to use existing $22900 personal line to establish new account. App#12; M&T Bank declined. Assuming because of existing $18k personal line with US Bank. Oh well. App#7; US Bank declined; kind of expected, will call and attempt to 'shift' existing $18k limit to establish new account. All others DEFERED: App#8; Bank of America, will call Monday for status, and attempt to get them to just create new account using existing $24,400 limit (assumed defered due to EXP being frozen). If not, will give them EXP PIN number. Apps#4,5,6,11; Citi, will call Monday for status, and attempt to get them to pull alternative report (assuming defered due to EXP freeze). If not, will give EXP PIN number. Apps#3,9,10; Chase, will call Monday for status. Assuming defered due to EXP freeze, previous reports say they should pull alternative report. If not, will give EXP PIN for Biz app only. Cannot update PM123 for inquiry damage for another couple hours. Not expecting to find many as of yet.
In case 'defered' starts to equal 'declined', have Wachovia personal, National City Biz, and KeyBank personal to submit, which (from past experience) should all pull non-EXP. Of course, I also have my Citi Prof card ($10k limit) from last year with a valid 12-month offer I can take advantage of until early Oct if need be. |
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mungbai
- Addicted Member
posted: Sep. 5, 2008 @ 10:00p
peteypablo said:downhillskier said:Citi seems to have switched to exclusively pulling EX.
My experience is contrary. Citi pulled EX like crazy for everyone at my address in January and March, 2008. With DW's EX frozen, they pulled TU twice, in June and again in August, without a peep. Citi pulled EQ for me. Florida. I closed two cards with them and reallocated and then applied for a new card. |
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Glitch99
- Senior Member - 5K
posted: Sep. 5, 2008 @ 10:47p
Glitch99 said:Cannot update PM123 for inquiry damage for another couple hours. Not expecting to find many as of yet.roughly 1 1/2 hours after submitting the final app, there has been one pull of EQ and no activity on TU. And it seems that Schwab pulled Equifax TWICE(!!) in regards to an Investor's Checking account I opened this week. Immediately tried disputing them online per Win333's method discussed last winter - not sure if it even still works, let alone if it will be completed in time to make a difference. Damn it, I should've known better...... |
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Glitch99
- Senior Member - 5K
posted: Sep. 6, 2008 @ 9:16a
Glitch99 said:App#7; US Bank declined; kind of expected, will call and attempt to 'shift' existing $18k limit to establish new account.US Bank has weekend hours (800-947-1444), so I called this morning. At first, CSR said I had been declined because "Experian says you (I) have no credit" (thanks to the freeze, which I didnt mention). Immediately pulled someone else (Equifax)and said "Hey, there you are". She asked how much I wanted on the new card; I said I wanted to do a $15k BT, so $17-18k would be nice. She reduced my Baylor card from $18k to $2k, in order to allow for a new $18k card (net gain - $2k). Said it has to run through their 'verification department' first, but should be all set in 3-5 days. I know I can do the same with BofA this weekend, but they tend to report new accounts really quickly so I'm going to wait until I get the other apps (namely Citi and Bank Atlantic) processing on Monday.
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markkundinger
- Senior Member - 2K
posted: Sep. 6, 2008 @ 11:05a
Glitch99 said:And it seems that Schwab pulled Equifax TWICE(!!) in regards to an Investor's Checking account I opened this week. Immediately tried disputing them online per Win333's method discussed last winter - not sure if it even still works, let alone if it will be completed in time to make a difference. Damn it, I should've known better...... Doing it over the phone during business hours still works. |
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