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Bank Atlantic reallocated $21k from Nat Parks card to create new Biz account

Citi Approved Assoc Bank card for $15k after giving them EXP PIN.

Citi AMEX still pending after using EXP PIN.

Citi Biz wouldn't/couldn't use EXP PIN, said I have to unfreeze report.

EDIT: Using the typical Citi "if you dont get what you want, ask again" strategy, I called back. The second rep immediately said it was on hold because EXP was frozen and asked if I had a code to allow them access, before I mentioned anything about it. No instant approval, but the biz app is now in the processing stage.

BofA couldn't/wouldn't use EXP PIN, CSR says she "put in a request", I think to pull an alternate report (maybe to use the PIN), should be processed in 7-10 days. Dont know if that will work......

Chase still pending, giving them time to pull an alternate report.

Wachovia DENIED, too many new accounts opened in last 6-12 months.

Message edited by: Glitch99 on 2008-09-08 23:38:48 CDT
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POTENTIAL DATAPOINT, TIP, AND/OR TRICK:

So I update PM123 this evening, and what do I find? After having given Citi my PIN to access EXP because they refused to pull anyone else, I now have 3 TRANSUNION inquiries from Citi.

EXP remains untouched.

Chase pulled Equifax once and TRANSUNION once, on their own. With 3 Chase apps pending, not sure what was for what (1 pull for 2 biz apps?). And they both show as "Chase", not FirstUSA or any other alias.

And of course, the obligatory TU inquiry from Barclays from my Bank Atlantic approval.

Inquiry count - 5 TU, 5 EQ (Including the 2 Schwab inquiries I've disputed). Couldnt have worked out any better.

BofA app is the only one that hasnt pulled. Will try to give them my EXP PIN tommorrow, as I think that's the cleanest report as of now with 8 11-month-old inquiries (19 total), as opposed to 5 1-day-old inquiries on both EQ and TU. I'm tempted to pay the $5.61 to unfreeze it for a week, just so PM123 can pull it and generate a score to compare with the other two.


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Why not just get AMEX Credit Secure? It will give you an EXP score to compare to, and you can still get the score and report with a frozen EXP report.


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Their "Plus" score is on a different scale and is based only on EXP, with nothing to compare it to. Anyway, I was not able to sign up with EXP frozen last year.


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Glitch99 said:BofA app is the only one that hasnt pulled. Will try to give them my EXP PIN tommorrow, as I think that's the cleanest report as of now I called, and over an hour of bouncing around and beign cut off, trying to find someone who could either use my PIN to access EXP or pull another report - SUCCESS!

I got this number - (866)227-1553. The CSR said my app was denied, and I should call the number on the letter I would be getting. I had to ask to speak to a credit analyst 3 times before she finally transfered me to one.

This gentleman was able to reactivate my denied app, pull Transunion since my EXP was frozen, establish the account by reallocating $24,400 existing limit, and submit a $22k BT request - all within less than 10 minutes.

Perhaps it was my continuous attempts to give them my access code for EXP (implying that I wasnt trying to hide anything) that prompted them to just pull TU, or maybe I just got lucky.

And the best part is that they pulled TU the day my previous 5 inquiries did their temporary disappearing act (has anyone figured out why this happens?). So it was a completely clean report to boot.


And my Citi Biz was approved for $8,000. Once I get the card, will try to reallocate $15k and $10k from existing Biz cards and $10k from Professional. Chase apps are 'in verification' per the CSR, and Citi AMEX status is still to be determined.

Message edited by: Glitch99 on 2008-09-09 22:49:51 CDT
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That is good news. I will definitely be trying the EXP freeze for my next AOR since it seems to not be scaring too many banks away. I'm surprised that they are so willing to pull other CRA's.


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FYI - I was denied on my first attempt to reallocate between 2 US Bank cards, but on 2 separate threads here in FWF people reported it was possible. I'm going to try again, and again.


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Received email re: Citi AMEX - APPROVED $9500. 3 Chase apps are the only ones left that are unknown.

As expected, BofA has already reported the new account (approved on Monday, shows on EXP Thurs).

After all inquiries have been made, but before any new accounts posted, scores per PM123 are:
TU: 774 (6 inquiries)
EQ: 797 (5 inquiries)
EX: unknown, frozen

Anxiously awaiting the arrival of cards; especially the Citi Biz to get cracking on trying to reallocate/consolidate. Hoping to consolidate $15k biz (Plat Select card), $10k biz (Plat Select card), $10k pers (Professional card), and $15k pers (Assoc Bank card) limits into this new $8k Plat Select account. Any hints/suggestions on how to approach this and who to talk to to make this go as smoothly as possible?


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I'd start trying to consolidate the old biz lines first. Probably by calling the old card numbers to close/consolidate. Then I'd work on Associated, then Professional.

Kind of a progression of easiest to hardest. Also, if for some reason you get tired and stop, at least Assoc and Pro will still have 0% deals.


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markkundinger said:I'd start trying to consolidate the old biz lines first. Probably by calling the old card numbers to close/consolidate. Then I'd work on Associated, then Professional.

Kind of a progression of easiest to hardest. Also, if for some reason you get tired and stop, at least Assoc and Pro will still have 0% deals.
New Citi Biz card arrived.

Call#1 - can't consolidate due to 0% offer on new account.

Call#2 - submitted $10k line to be consolidated into new account, couldnt submit $15k line as names were different (one under Corp name, one under dba). Said $10k Professional card probably wouldnt be consolidated due to 0% offer but submitted request anyways. Said Assoc Bank card not compatible.

Call#3 - Said $15k line couldnt consolidate due to 0%. Asked for retentions. Said she could do it, then found from Supervisor it couldnt be done (said she hadnt heard of this 'new' policy before). But gave me $75 statement credit to keep the account open . Finally requested a CLI on the new acount "since consolidation didnt look promising", and was approved tonight for a total of $15k (up from $8k) . But it did cost another EQ pull.

Going to wait a couple days to see if the requests submitted via call #2 process, then try, try again . Atleast it is Citi, so the clock isnt ticking on the 12-month BT.


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So my M&T Bank application that was instantly declined without so much as a credit pull, showed up in the mail today with a $15,000 limit. Guess "denied" doesnt necessarily mean denied.....


Seems US Bank/Elan BT rates are valid until the end of the month they expire in - my apps were Sept 5th, approvals Sept 8th, BTs requested Sept 15th, but the 0% are good until the end of March (6-month promo) and the last day of Sept (12-month promo).

Chase automated status line says I'm approved for a $18k line, dont know what app it is (the other two are still pending, but I suspect its the personal app as its the last one given).

I got a copy of EQ today - it only shows one inquiry from Schwab, while PM123 shows two. Also, the company name of each inquiry is different - "US Bancorp" on EQ but "USBK" on PM123, "Charles Schwab Bank NA" on EQ but only "C Schwab" on PM123. Not sure why PM123 is adding an extra inquiry or abbreviating the company names???

Message edited by: Glitch99 on 2008-09-15 22:50:43 CDT
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Glitch99 said:Chase automated status line says I'm approved for a $18k line, dont know what app it is (the other two are still pending, but I suspect its the personal app as its the last one given).
Another now says approved for $15k! The promo terms and standard rates given by the recording imply its the two biz accounts that have been approved. Thats an unexpected $33k; if reallocation goes as planned, I'll have my first $50k+ line by next week.

And still zero success with Citi reallocation/consolidation to the new biz card, nothing has gone through yet. Any hints or tricks? Maybe next I'll call late at night, trying to get some foreigner who will blindly push it through.....


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I'm throwing in the towel on Citi Reallocations. In numerous calls throughout the day, the response kept coming back that the 0% promo on the new account is blocking any and all attempts to consolidate.

I got from conversations with both a CSR and a supervisor (different calls) that they have a checklist they must go through, that includes checking for promos, before submitting a reallocation/consolidation request. If a CSR does submit it anyways, a supervisor must review it and also approve the request, and yet another person reviews/audits what the supervisor approves.

So even if you convince a supervisor to "look the other way", any request still has to slip by another someone that you dont get to talk to. So yes, each CSR's/Supervisor's has the ability to ignore policy and submit such a request anyways, but yet another approval is needed before it is processed - and the supervisor who submitted it then gets penalized for not following company policy. Some people may still get lucky, but I'm resigned to the fact that BTs from Citi will need to be taken in $15k chunks from here on out.


New plan - take an $8k BT on my Professional Card from last Oct (have until early Oct to take advantage of the 12-month 0%) and $15k on my new Biz account, and sit on the Assoc Bank until next fall when I may use it to roll over the balances for another 12 months.


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nice write up. I believe it is much harder now to reallocate and consolidate than just from a year ago. I believe it took me a 7:1 ratio of calls last year to get it done while this year seems to be closer to 15:1.... very frustrating indeed.


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Best I can tell, from the terms given by the auto-status line, is the Chase personal card approved for $5k, Biz Rebate approved for $18k, and Chevy Chase Biz approved for $15k.

Once the cards arrive, I'll reallocate $18k existing Biz card to the new Biz Rebate card, and $20k personal limit from Sony card - giving me a limit of $56k. Not sure if I should also move over the $15k Chevy Chase limit, or consolidate that with the other new $5k personal card and take a second BT. A single $76k limit (if I consolidate everything onto one card) scares me a bit; I'm afraid it'll be closed/suspended/reduced/require docs before I can draw on it. With $300k biz revenue and $80k personal income (and an inability/unwillingness to cleanly document it), should I be hesitant about creating a $76k limit?

I'm going to leave my Sony card open w/a $1k limit; up to now its been the card that keeps on giving, and I'm hoping it will continue producing "use me and get free money" offers in the future.


$15k from US Bank and $15k from M&T posted to my HELOC Friday (BTs requested on Monday). $22k from BofA was deposited into my checking Thursday (requested at the time of approval, 10 days prior). $20k from Bank Atlantic posted to BofA on Thursday (it was requested on Tuesday ). 2nd BT from BofA for $20k requested Friday, should see that in my checking account next Tues/Wed. Waiting for $8k BT check from Citi Professional. Waiting to pay off purchase (for 15k TYP) before requesting $15k BT check from Citi Biz.

Message edited by: Glitch99 on 2008-09-20 21:31:45 CDT
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just went through your list:
HSBC Biz is a new "laundry" card with $50 max?
"The standard 3% Transaction Fee, subject to a minimum of $5 and a maximum of $50, for Line of Credit checks or balance transfers only, shall be waived throughout the term of this offer.
Transaction fee for cash advances: 3% of the amount advanced but not less than $5 or more than $50"


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DjPiLL said:Why not just get AMEX Credit Secure? It will give you an EXP score to compare to, and you can still get the score and report with a frozen EXP report.

Can anyone else confirm this? I recently froze exp to do hcli's across the board (40000 more from chase for 3 TU inqs) and AMEX credit secure does not work. The CSR's claim that since exp. is frozen they are unable to generate ANY reports. I am getting a "more info is needed, please call xxxx" message.

Message edited by: robmsu007 on 2008-09-21 21:49:13 CDT
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robmsu007 said:DjPiLL said:Why not just get AMEX Credit Secure? It will give you an EXP score to compare to, and you can still get the score and report with a frozen EXP report.

Can anyone else confirm this? I recently froze exp to do hcli's across the board (40000 more from chase for 3 TU inqs) and AMEX credit secure does not work. The CSR's claim that since exp. is frozen they are unable to generate ANY reports. I am getting a "more info is needed, please call xxxx" message.
if you freeze pre-Credit Secure enroll, then you will not be able to pull any bureau. search for thread by theman and you'll find more info there


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All accounts are in, and the cash-out is complete.

New balances:

Card:                Balance/Limit
Citi Professional $8,000/$10,000 12 months/no BT fee (offer on card from 10/07 A0R)
US Bank PBR $15,000/$18,000 12 months/no BT fee
Bank of America $22,000/$24,400 12 months/no BT fee
Bank Atlantic Biz $20,000/$21,000 15 months/$75 BT fee
Chase Rewards Biz $71,800/$72,000 15 months/$99 BT fee
M&T Biz $15,000/$15,000 6 months/no BT fee
Citi Plat Biz $15,000/$15,000 12 months/no BT fee (havent drawn this, waiting to
coordinate the end date
w/15-month Biz offers)

Total $166,800/$175,400

Personal Total (3 cards)    $45,000/ $52,400  (86%)
Unused personal limits $116,650*
Overall Pers Util. $45,000/$169,050* (27%)
*Does NOT include $89,000 HELOC with zero balance, which may or may not contribute to utilization calculations

Promos/Bonuses     30,000 TYP ($300)
$30 cardselection.com
3%/5% rebate on Citi AMEX for 2 years

Biggest surprise was BofA clearing the $71,800 Chase welcome check the next day.... The cash was transfered to my HYSA before it even posted to the Chase card.

Now if I could only get a capped-fee offer on any of my three BofA Biz cards ($61,750 combined limit).....

Message edited by: Glitch99 on 2008-09-25 15:46:44 CDT
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The Chase Bus. cards now say in the pricing and terms:

"3% of the amount of each transaction, but not less than $5.00."

I think I read that this is new, but wanted to check with Glitch to make sure his pricing and terms stated the $75 or $99 cap. Thanks in advance


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