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delzy said:

I think this makes you sound like a sucker. If you believe the government has any power other than prolonging the agony of a floundering market, you are delusional. What they are currently doing is centrally planned socialist redistribution from the many to the few via the stealth taxation known as inflation. If you can't see this, then I can't understand why you think you understand anything about it.

My own opinion is that we are being set up for a Japanese style melt-down so that the Chinese can more easily wrest control of the world's resources from the US. Sadly, I think the depression has begun and so will everyone else when their retirement savings won't pay their property taxes.

If you think the US economy is "Too Big To Fail", you have another think coming. Although Woodrow Wilson stuck the knife in the heart of capitalism, GWB gave it a twist and ripped it out. Soon there will be no blood left to pump. Mark my words, the empire collapsed this week.

I believe the US government has it's place in the free market but only to keep people in line, simplistically keeping the game rules in order.

I agree with you about a "China Syndrome." In the last 15 years the US essentially turned nearly all of our industrial production [I'm amazed to buy ANYTHING that doesn't say made in china] to this communist rooted country. "Sum-Dum-Nut" [joking, not a slur] can easily say any day "sorry shop's closed" and halt exports. What then? It would take years and capital to tool factories to buy just the simplest things. If they wanted war on top of that, we're done.

One flaw that I see in capitalism is that it's based on "unlimited growth" and every time we get sucked into that complacency we need to reset.

I feel the saddest thing will be history will repeat itself because it's human nature regardless of the generation. Likely, a war like WWII will ultimately be the "solution" to reset the economy.


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Wake up everyone and tell your friends . Write and call your congressmen and both presidential candidates. Follow liksk at www.fedupusa.com for protest info . They are trying to pull this off ( sucker punch) ASAP before John Q Public know what happened to him .

From various places -

License To Kill:

So to recapitulate:

- An unelected person who is leaving office in 3 months, will be given, by a legislature power that will dispense in few days, an absolute power to spend $700B at his discretion.

- This unelected pelson, as well as his decision, will not be subject to any oversight or control.

- This Paulson has the ability to buy any asset as he deems necessary without any constraint on the type, pricing and possible losses from and of these assets and securities.

- This Paulson has in fact a license to accept only new issuances (setting a motion of wall-street profiteering without any upside profit to homeowners or taxpayers)

 


Bush Administration Seeks "Dictatorial Power"

Bloomberg is reporting Treasury Seeks Authority to Buy Mortgages Unchecked by Courts.
The Bush administration sought unchecked power from Congress to buy $700 billion in bad mortgage investments from financial companies in what would be an unprecedented government intrusion into the markets.

"He's asking for a huge amount of power," said Nouriel Roubini, an economist at New York University. "He's saying, `Trust me, I'm going to do it right if you give me absolute control.' This is not a monarchy."

Paulson is seeking an expansion of federal influence over markets that hasn't been seen since the Great Depression, said Charles Geisst, author of "100 Years of Wall Street" and a finance professor at Manhattan College in New York.

"This is going to be a big package because it's a big problem," Bush said following a meeting with Colombian President Alvaro Uribe at the White House. "We need to get this done quickly, and the cleaner the better."

Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama said in a radio address that he "fully supports" Paulson and Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke's efforts to stabilize the financial system. The plan, however, should benefit both main street and Wall Street, he said.

Republican Presidential nominee John McCain "looks forward" to reviewing the proposal while focusing at least in part on "minimizing the burden on the taxpayer," said Jill Hazelbaker, communications director for the McCain campaign.

The Bush administration seeks "dictatorial power unreviewable by the third branch of government, the courts, to try to resolve the crisis," said Frank Razzano, a former assistant chief trial attorney at the Securities and Exchange Commission now at Pepper Hamilton LLP in Washington. "We are taking a huge leap of faith."
Unreviewable Dictatorial Power

Notice how everyone wants to rush this through even though it is the biggest financial crisis in history. One might think that something this big should be carefully considered but no... Bush says: "This is going to be a big package because it's a big problem" and "We need to get this done quickly and the cleaner the better."

It seems the bigger the problem the quicker and cleaner it can be fixed. Indeed Congress will argue more over the cost of toilet seats than they will over this $700 billion (and counting) bailout.

Democrats Want To Expand The Bailout
"We're going to be buying up a lot of mortgage paper," said House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat. "Between Fannie Mae and Freddie now owned by the federal government and the mortgage paper we'll be acquiring here" and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. running failed bank IndyMac Bancorp Inc., "we should now be able substantially to reduce foreclosures," he said.
My Comment: Barney Frank is an incompetent socialist fool. Buying mortgages in and of itself will not prevent a single foreclosure. All buying mortgages will do is bail out the banks holding those mortgages. And one thing you can be most certain of is that it will be a selective bailout with no oversight as to who gets bailed out or why.
The Treasury plans to hire asset managers to purchase the assets through so-called reverse auctions, seeking the lowest prices, one of the people said. Congress will need to raise the limit for the federal debt to allow the government to borrow enough to fund the program, the person said.

Senator Richard Shelby, an Alabama Republican who has advocated that markets should be allowed to penalize bad bets, warned that bailout could saddle taxpayers with large debts.

"This could be the biggest bailout in the history of the country and could ultimately cost $500 billion to $1 trillion," Shelby, the ranking Republican on the Senate Banking Committee, said in a Bloomberg Television interview today. "Congress is not going to rubber stamp something."
My Comment: The odds of Congress not rubber stamping this are very slim.
Senator Christopher Dodd, the Banking Committee chairman, said the plan's framers should consider the full debt load of U.S. consumers, possibly including credit cards.
My Comment: Hells bells why not? Let's throw in credit cards, auto loans, boats, and casino debts? Why stop at credit cards and housing? Let's just have the government guarantee every debt in the country.
The temporary plan is likely to include a "second stimulus" proposal with infrastructure funds, low-income energy aid and Medicaid assistance, Frank said.
My Comment: Why stop at two? Why not four? Hell, let's just give everyone $1,000,000 and be done with it.
Officials devising the plan "need to make sure that they keep that hard-headed approach so that people are not profiting off this," said Martin Baily, who was chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers under Democratic President Bill Clinton.
My Comment: Hard headed approach? What are these clowns smoking? Paulson asks for $700 billion and idiots like Frank and Dodd are clamoring for more already.
"To some extent that's unavoidable," said Baily, now a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution in Washington. "Anytime you do something like this you have the problem of bailing people out and creating moral hazard. That's the reason why you hold your nose. But it's better than the alternative."
Perfectly Avoidable

Martin Baily is another fool. This was perfectly avoidable. All we had to do we eliminate the Fed and fractional reserve lending. And that is what still needs to be done.

Instead Congress is lining up to give "Unreviewable Dictatorial Power"to the Treasury while increasing the size of the already ridiculous proposal.

Contact Your Senator Today!

It's time to contact your senator. Here is contact information for Senators of the 110th Congress.

Phone or Email your Senators today. Tell them in your own words
· Urge your senator to Filibuster any bailout legislation.
· Emphatically state you do not want a bailout of any kind for anyone.
· No Dictatorial power for Paulson or Bernanke
· Taxpayers should not have to bail out banks making bad loans
· Tell them that "The Fed" and Paulson are systemic risk".

Email AND Phone Senators Shelby, Bunning, Kyle, Hagel

Whether Senator Shelby is your Senator or not, flood him with calls and emails asking for a filibuster and to stop the insanity. Senators Shelby, Bunning, and Kyle might be sympathetic to the cause, based on past statements. I am taking a stab at Hagel.

Please email and phone the following. Specifically ask for a filibuster and tell them to vote no to any bailout.

Shelby, Richard C.- (R - AL)
110 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-5744
E-mail: senator@shelby.senate.gov

Bunning, Jim- (R - KY)
316 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-4343
Web Form: http://bunning.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.ContactForm

Kyl, Jon- (R - AZ)
730 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-4521
Web Form: kyl.senate.gov/contact.cfm

Hagel, Chuck (R - NE)
248 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-4224
Web Form: hagel.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.Home

Please email and phone both of your senators as well.

Mike "Mish" Shedlock
http://globalecon

 

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bamx2 said:Wake up everyone and tell your friends . Write and call your congressmen and both presidential candidates. Follow liksk at www.fedupusa.com for protest info . They are trying to pull this off ( sucker punch) ASAP before John Q Public know what happened to him .

They aren't going to do A DAMN thing. Wall st. the money people are running for cover to the congressional money spenders. It'll all downhill from here. Don't waste a phone call or ink the plan will pass quickly.


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Here's what I sent... not my most eloquent, but short on time... The best case scenario that I can imagine would be that Congress takes time to deliberate, that all of the worries cited here get raised, and that a better plan results.

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Dear Senator ----:

News of recent financial troubles in the U.S. banking system are unsettling. However, recent steps taken by the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department to address these troubles are more deeply distressing.

My concerns are twofold: first, that the primary decision-makers in these actions are not sufficiently accountable to the American people, being unelected officials. Second, that their thought-process has not been rendered available for public scrutiny.

Were there discernible patterns in their decisions and sufficient precedent for them, I would be less concerned. However, the treatment of Bear Stearns, Lehman Bros, and AIG suggests the dangerous coupling of ad hoc thinking and vast, unchecked power by the Fed. Reserve and the Treasury.

These are seemingly unprecedented actions, and I beseech you, to do the most in your power to make sure that the Treasury's recent request for 700 billion dollars to buy troubled bank assets is considered and debated in a public setting.

Senator -----, you are the elected voice that we have to represent us on these matters. I earnestly request that you put all other issues aside so that the American people can hear your voice and others in Congress regarding these plans.

Thank you for your time and your service.

Sincerely,
cmraynew


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Dear Cmraynew, thank you for taking the time to share your concerns. We too are deeply concerned with the financial crisis. Please rest assured that these actions are being considered by your elected officials, and that the President fully supports them as well as the Congress. Thank you for your support and may God Bless You.


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DavidScubadiver said:Dear Cmraynew, thank you for taking the time to share your concerns. We too are deeply concerned with the financial crisis. Please rest assured that these actions are being considered by your elected officials, and that the President fully supports them as well as the Congress. Thank you for your support and may God Bless You.

Having God and the Six Trillion Dollar President support the bailout should be enough for many Republicans. The economy is strong. America is #1. God bless America.

Now back to the most important issue this week: which new TV shows should one TiVo?

Did I say God bless America?


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DavidScubadiver said:Dear Cmraynew, thank you for taking the time to share your concerns. We too are deeply concerned with the financial crisis. Please rest assured that these actions are being considered by your elected officials, and that the President fully supports them as well as the Congress. Thank you for your support and may God Bless You.

Yeah, when I get the form letter, the appropriate response would seem to be a passive cynicism, but I'm not willing to live with that. I'll keep writing.


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Thank you for your continued support.


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bamx2 said:Wake up everyone and tell your friends . Write and call your congressmen and both presidential candidates. Follow liksk at www.fedupusa.com for protest info . They are trying to pull this off ( sucker punch) ASAP before John Q Public know what happened to him .

I completely agree bam. This is just another example of how they try to act quickly "for the safety of our financial institutions," when in reality, it's just to ram through the legislation before anyone has time to actually read it and deliberate over it. The previous housing bill was the same way.

I would recommend calling over just email (although both is great!), as it's a bit more personal, and email most of the times just results in a dumb form letter response. I will be calling my congress folks and senators tomorrow! What people fail to realize, is that we CAN make a difference.. it just requires j6p to get off their butt. I will admit, many/most Americans have simply become too lazy to lift a finger to do anything, but that hardly means that "the people don't matter."

Down this road of infinite bailouts lies a real possibility of government implosion. If you wait till it's too late to get off your a$$, there may be nothing left that you can do about it when the time comes.


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CNN poll:

Do you agree with the decision to spend $700 billion to bail out the financial system?

Yes 33% 37303
No 67% 75970
Total Votes: 113273

Vote at http://www.cnn.com/ - question is on the right, you may have to scroll down to see it.


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Its a stupid poll. The question should be, "Would you agree to pay $700 billion to avoid the country going into a Depression?"


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Yes, be afraid, very afraid......oooooh I'm scared.....

Works every time, until it doesn't.


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My point is, you ask a question like do you want to pay to bail out the financial system, and it gets tons of people voting who have no idea why the bailout is even being proposed. Of course they don't agree with it. They don't understand what they are even voting on.


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DavidScubadiver said:Its a stupid poll. The question should be, "Would you agree to pay $700 billion to avoid the country going into a Depression?"

That's a helluva straw man. There ARE plenty of alternatives. It's this stupid "tunnel vision" that gets us into these problems. People are too stupid like Dave and just follow what the media tells them like sheep. On this webpage outlines a REAL SOLUTION to the problem.. Not some stupid half *ss patch that could erupt again in the future:

http://fedupusa.org/

To add.. anyone who thinks this bailout plan magically thinks we'll certainly avoid a depression is dumb as rocks.


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A counter proposal to the U.S. Treasury Department's $700 billion Wall Street bailout plan was released Monday by the office of Sen. Christopher Dodd, the Connecticut Democrat who chairs the Senate Banking Committee. Linky.


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