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arun44445 said:"Do you really think asking every US citizen whether or not they want the AIG bailout to happen is a productive use of time?"

Yeah, why not just ask one former Goldman Sacks CEO.
Why not? Someone who has run a large financial company would seem to be a logical choice to be part of the decision-making process.


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I would trust the CEO of Goldman to make the right decision about the economy over the vote of 1000 main streeters. Forgive me for saying so.


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I think the US public is going to wonder whether you can get an unbiased answer from CEOs these days. They've proven their ability to detach themselves from risk.


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michal1980 said:At the same time, we have already seen interest rates bounce up.and have you seen home prices increase? No. Thanks for playing.


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DavidScubadiver said:I would trust the CEO of Goldman to make the right decision about the economy over the vote of 1000 main streeters. Forgive me for saying so.

Maybe, but absolute power corrupts absolutely. Put enough of these asshats in charge and no matter what their intentions going in, they get greedy and then companies fall apart while we fuel up their Jets and build them Condos on 6 continents.

If the CEO of my company drove it into the ground, I'd walk upstairs and kick his ass. I feel like there needs to be SOME recourse for these execs who jumped ship and took all the lifejackets lined with $100 bills with them.


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jayK said:jeeves said:Where were these politicians when the very same financial companies were speculating on oil and food and driving the price upto $145 and 8 bucks for corn. Then we were told it is "supply and demand" and traders from GS and MS are not to blame. WTF.Speculation is an essential part of our economy, it allows industries that use a large amount of certain commodities to hedge against increases and keep their costs steady. The increase in commodity prices is indeed due to supply and demand. High oil prices are largely due to subsidies in Asia driving consumer demand, and we have high food prices thanks to both the rising middle class in China increasing demand for more expensive foods and our ill-advised ethanol program diverting corn crops for fuel instead of food.

Then fall from 145 to 95 is sue to "demand destruction" right?

This is a bunch of bull. It is borrowed money chasing "paper" commodities that casued the huge spike.

If each future contract enforced forced delivery(like enforcing each short seller comes up with security) - that allows the users of commodity to hedge- that would tell what the "true price" is.

Banning short selling on the stocks of politico's buddies is so unfair- they are manipulating the market to their benefit.


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DavidScubadiver said:I would trust the CEO of Goldman to make the right decision about the economy over the vote of 1000 main streeters. Forgive me for saying so.

About his economy and his assets maybe.


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DavidScubadiver said:I would trust the CEO of Goldman to make the right decision about the economy over the vote of 1000 main streeters. Forgive me for saying so.


because the Bear Sterns CEO was sooo smart, he didn't need a bailout?

LOL


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jeeves said:DavidScubadiver said:I would trust the CEO of Goldman to make the right decision about the economy over the vote of 1000 main streeters. Forgive me for saying so.

About his economy and his assets maybe.
Jeeves, the rich pay a lot of money in taxes. If main street is so upset by what happens, perhaps they will increase the tax rate on capital gains and dividends from stocks. Honestly, it may make more sense if its the case that main street is not invested in the market, the wall street folks shouldn't be subsidized as much as they've been.


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michal1980 said:DavidScubadiver said:I would trust the CEO of Goldman to make the right decision about the economy over the vote of 1000 main streeters. Forgive me for saying so.


because the Bear Sterns CEO was sooo smart, he didn't need a bailout?

LOL
You can't say Goldman is anything like Bear. Really and honestly.


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DavidScubadiver said:jeeves said:DavidScubadiver said:I would trust the CEO of Goldman to make the right decision about the economy over the vote of 1000 main streeters. Forgive me for saying so.

About his economy and his assets maybe.
Jeeves, the rich pay a lot of money in taxes. If main street is so upset by what happens, perhaps they will increase the tax rate on capital gains and dividends from stocks. Honestly, it may make more sense if its the case that main street is not invested in the market, the wall street folks shouldn't be subsidized as much as they've been.

We need to save the assets of the company to save the economy but the top 10 execs need to be wiped out. Jimmy C, Maurice G and Dick F getting out of this with 500 million bucks is unfair. Less said about goldman the better - This was the same company touting $200 oil and driving up prices speculating.


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You notice that the Hedge Funds companies didn't fall like dominoes because they made a killing off the demise of the financial companies like Lehman Bros. They should've let companies like Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, and Goldman Sachs fail. Ban short selling and re-instating the uptick rule. That way, those Hedge Fund companies will drop like flies and not making money from our tax money. Oh yeah, let banks like WAMU and Wachovia fail because they are dumb enough to let people to get those stupid loans.


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michal1980 said:curtisekarr said:The complete socialization of our entire financial system. And all the "small-government", right-wing neo-cons are buying into this as if it's completely natural. Yet mention Universal Healthcare, which would be infinitely less expensive and infinitely more beneficial (especially if the insurance companies could be removed from the equation), and they're up in arms decrying the Democrats' attempt to "socialize" medicine. Utter hypocrites!

i'm a conservative. And I think this is utter crap.

IMHO, anyone claming to be a conservative, and is for these massive bailouts. Should have there conservative title taken away.

I've always considered myself a conservative as well, but I think its in theory only. The "idea" of small federal government and fiscal conservativism is alive, but in practice, the Repubs spend just as much if not MORE than the dems.

You can only stand behind the claim, "Don't worry, we have the biggest economy in the world, we'll be fine" for so long before someone realizes, "Oh shit, we aren't THAT big" and the whole house of cards comes tumbling down.

Despite all the recent happenings, I think we are far from that point, but this course of action needs to be stopped, not welcomed, if we want our future generations to enjoy the same economic freedoms we have enjoyed.


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Disgusted!


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What's another trillion anyways? Just add it on to the tab.. If the gov't has AMEX Blue, maybe they can get 1.5% Cash Back. LOL


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Many people fail to see that the main problem with all this bailing out is that every tax payer now is a unwilling participant in the worlds largest Hedge Fund. We are going to take all the risk and will never see the reward if any. The US stands to make a killing, especially if AIG defaults on their loan. If that happens the US will own some of the best Tier 1 assets in the world.


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jayK said:EricGo07 said:Lucky US. Too bad no one asked me, I don't want any part of that "opportunity".Perhaps you would be happier living in a country ruled by democracy rather than the US, which is a representative republic.

Do you really think asking every US citizen whether or not they want the AIG bailout to happen is a productive use of time?
Judging from this thread, that's a resounding "no".


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I'm so incensed I can't even read this thread. I just want to register my thoughts for posterity.

I'm a libertarian that usually votes Republican. I am completely sick of defending this administration. These alleged free marketers have done more to push us towards socialism than a liberal administration could have done in its wildest dreams. Both presidential candidates are now pushing tax cuts. In theory, I'm completely in favor of allowing hard working people to keep their own money. But how exactly does this government expect to absorb the brunt of close to a trillion dollars in bad debt, maintain existing services, make good on its social security obligation, AND cut taxes? The answer is the printing press. Once again, the prudent saver takes it on the chin. The lesson everyone should take from this administration's actions is that the bad guys win. Take big risks and if things go in your favor your rich, if not, you get bailed out. In the mean time, lets all try and get used to the idea of skyrocketing commodity prices as our monetary unit goes into the proverbial crapper.

I think that these past couple of weeks may go down in history as the beginning of the decline of the US. I can't believe what I am seeing with my own eyes.


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lsdreem said:Many people fail to see that the main problem with all this bailing out is that every tax payer now is a unwilling participant in the worlds largest Hedge Fund. We are going to take all the risk and will never see the reward if any. The US stands to make a killing, especially if AIG defaults on their loan. If that happens the US will own some of the best Tier 1 assets in the world.What, you don't trust the government to benefit you if they make a killing on the AIG deal? Believe me, the loan will be repaid before the Gov't get to collect its shares. But if it did not, then it would help our balance sheet, lower our national debt and inure to the benefit of all.


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lsdreem said:Many people fail to see that the main problem with all this bailing out is that every tax payer now is a unwilling participant in the worlds largest Hedge Fund. We are going to take all the risk and will never see the reward if any. The US stands to make a killing, especially if AIG defaults on their loan. If that happens the US will own some of the best Tier 1 assets in the world.

If that happens, we can see how quickly those best assets become poor assets. Let's not start the idea of the US investing in private industry and owning global financial assets. Didn't we fight a cold war against that?


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