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The Citi Biz with 15k TYP and the Juniper Bank Atlantic links are dead now, both here and in Rhizzlebop's AOR post as well; they must have died just recently. Crap. I'm still looking for alternatives.

Edit: Here's one: Citi AT&T Universal Business Rewards, 0% BT capped at $99.

And the Juniper card can still be found here apparently.


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Moonbutt said:The Citi Biz with 15k TYP and the Juniper Bank Atlantic links are dead now, both here and in Rhizzlebop's AOR post as well; they must have died just recently. Crap. I'm still looking for alternatives.The citi link needs to be fixed but works. Link
Edit: BA same thing, take out "http"


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thanks rorer714 for the headsup, I fixed my personal links earlier this week but forgot to check the biznas ones. Interestingly, the fixed Juniper link has two more months of 0% than the second one I found, but the same T&C's otherwise.


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Out of curiosity, I'd be interested in knowing what comes up for BoA self-check for pre-approved offers for you? You can check here: https://preapproved.bankofamerica.com/cc/SelfInquiry.aspx and it does a soft-pull. (So, it will see your credit report but won't leave behind a hard inquiry.)

Wife recently tried it (she doesn't have any BoA cards at the moment) and it brought up three fairly firm offers, and I found i interest that each were for exactly $11.5k CL. The offers themselves weren't anything compelling, but the $11.5k CL it came back with could be useful data in understanding their system.

I then tried it on myself, and it said there were no offers for me.


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Hi Jakeru,

Is that distinct from the usual offers that I see in and around the site, e.g. the 0% BT offer? If so, I'll have to check it out, especially if it just does a soft pull and gives the CL. Thanks for that tip! I'll run it tonight.

edit: just saw your earlier post. The Ducks Unlimited card was MBNA for a few months before the acquisition, so I may have BillPay Choice. That being said, BOA is my regular bank since before the acquisition, so I've had BillPay since before I got the Ducks card.

So I'm pretty sure I already have it -- in which case I need to know how to do the float thing.... though I probably won't be using it for this AOR since I intend to apply for another BOA card.

Regarding CLI increases, I did that for both cards last month. The plain card was immediate, the Ducks was deferred, then granted. I should update that on the OP.


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I doubt the Boa pre-approveds site will give offer terms for BT purposes any better than the "FAATCY" 0% 12-mo no fee platinum plus offer known to fatwalleters, or one of the $30 BT fee capped 0% 12-mo NEA card. For example, with my wife it came back with:

1. 0% 12-month BT with uncapped 3% BT fee
2. 0% 6-month BT $75 BT fee cap
3. some Am Ex 1.25 point per dollar reward card

All three offers were locatable on BoA's public web site, I believe, but the interesting thing is that each of the three offers came with a pre-determined "firm" $11.5k credit limit. If you tried the pre-approved offer check, and it gave you a "firm" offer for additional CL, it might give you some additional insight about how much more BoA might be willing to extend their combined exposure (sum of all the credit limits of all BoA cards.) I was thinking you might be able to use that to decide how much more CLI to ask for, but it sounds like you've already done CLIs on all your BoA cards recently. Still, it might be confidence instilling to know they are probably going to approve your application of your forthcoming application spree, before you actually take the plunge.

Also, by default most BoA banking customers get the "limited" version of BoA's billpay, which does not allow credit card to be used as the funding source. That's the key feature of the Billpay choice. (And it's not offered by any other credit card issuer, either.) The billpay transaction shows up like a purchase, and gets treated with grace period (if you pay balance in full). It won't give you rewards points, though, but it's a great flexible way to borrow money at no interest. After activating the billpay choice, you add the payee by locating their name in the menu and entering your account number, etc. They have a pretty good list of payees, I know off the top of my head they are missing Capital One but they have pretty much all the others (Citi, Chase, Discover, Am Ex...)


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I just checked, and my only permitted payment source is the checking account. Should I call up and innocently ask about using my credit cards as a payment source?

I also ran the preapproved page, and they said they had no offers I hope that's not a bad sign...

Also, the Ducks card BT offer is now at 9.99% instead of 1.9% as it's been for months. The other still has the uncapped 0% offer.

Still waiting on the bureaus to update. I'll be checking again tomorrow, and if they are all in, Thursday or Friday morning is launch time.

Edit: Thursday night, and not only has the Am3x not reported yet, but the BOA Ducks card has updated to just one of the bureaus (Experian). Sloooow......


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OK, the BOA cards are all zeroed, but the AM3X still shows the damned $3k balance at all three bureaus. I've seen references elsewhere to disputing reports at the CRA's; is this doable for balances? I do have the relevant bill stating a credit balance handy. That's nearly 10% of utilization right there.

so, still waiting...

I also have my fourth WAMU offer, but this is for a regular 0/0/12/uncapped card rather than a fourth copy of the previous offer. I look forward to getting two more copies of this one


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Moonbutt said:OK, the BOA cards are all zeroed, but the AM3X still shows the damned $3k balance at all three bureaus. I've seen references elsewhere to disputing reports at the CRA's; is this doable for balances?
Yes, disputing the balance online works within about a week without much hassle. Check this thread for links to dispute.


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Moonbutt said:OK, the BOA cards are all zeroed, but the AM3X still shows the damned $3k balance at all three bureaus. I've seen references elsewhere to disputing reports at the CRA's; is this doable for balances? I do have the relevant bill stating a credit balance handy. That's nearly 10% of utilization right there.

so, still waiting...
Just dispute it as 'incorrect balance' (or whatever the exact term is). If you wait for AMEX, you'll likely be waiting until the beginning of Dec. - AMEX runs a month behind in reporting.


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Looks very dandy BUT the BOA Platinum MC link doesnt work. You may need to call, that's what it says. Did you apply for it already?


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Assuming Am Ex is reporting that $18k credit limit on your costco true earnings card properly, and that you've successfully got all your other credit card balances reporting at $0, I woulnd't think you would have anything to gain by disputing off the $3k balance, as it is only 16% individual utilization. You surely want to avoid having any individual account reporting a large utilization, or many accounts reporting balances, but one account reporting 16% is pretty close to optimal.

I just clicked on the BoA 12-mo 0% no BT fee offer link and it seemed to work (was able to click to view the terms and conditions as well and verified still 12 months 0% with no BT fee.)

However, if the BoA no fee card offer disappears on you or you want to know other good options, you can use BoA NEA American Express or BoA NEA Visa (either with a $30 BT fee cap) as a backup BoA BT card. (Note that the $30 BT fee cap, although not disclosed on the front page, is still disclosed in the "terms and conditions" fine print.)

Thanks for giving the BoA pre-approved page a try. Despite them coming back empty, I'll bet you do well... you've done everything right to prepare for this. Best of luck and keep us posted!


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Hi Glitch,

They didn't run behind when it came to putting that $3k balance up last month... that one showed up around the first of October, just two weeks after statement close. Maybe they are quick to report balances, slow to report zeroes

pyro: I've not applied for anything yet. The BOA MC plat link seems OK from here. I've noticed that a lot of these card links seem unstable, but I run NoScript and occasionally forget to set permissions, and that screws up a lot of pages.

--EDIT: no, pyro is right. the front page is still there, but click "Continue" and it says the link is unavailable and it says to call it in. Blimey.

Jakeru: That's the thing, I do have a card with high utilization -- a Chase Visa with $7k out of $9k that I'm not able to kill off right now (that's the debt I need to transfer somewhere). With the AMEX at zero, total util is 20%; with it at $3k, it's more like 28-29%. I don't necessarily know how big a difference that would make for apps, but since that's something I can and did fix, I 'm waiting for it to bear fruit.

I'm hoping that it reports zero before AM3X does their slasher routine on that line.

If I do end up having to wait for December, I'll be able to clobber the Chase down below 50% utilization. I could do that, but with every week passing, the good offers are disappearing AM3X just got approved to follow Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs, to become a holding company that's eligible for bailout cash... I don't think that bodes well for their current health. (But then again, perhaps that'll lessen their motivation to slash CL's.)


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Moonbutt

Showing a few thousand on your report will give you a higher score than showing zero balances on all accounts. I've found about 5% of utilization seems to be about the best to get your highest fico possible.

I hade 5,000 show up on my report last week (I already had 5K on my report), my fico jumped 17 points.

Good Luck


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Hi win333,

That's good to know, I figured that having all zero balances would look odd to them. In any case, the Chase balance takes care of that. I just got back home from a four-day trip to Houston, and will be taking another look tonight.


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As someone else noted, you can dispute the AMEX balance. Here's what might happen: the credit agencies drop it due to the dispute ... and then AMEX CONFIRMS that yes, they did report the old balance that you already paid off, and they're going to report it again. So: it comes back. Sounds unlikely, but it's true. So, you may want to do the AOR as soon as the zero balance shows up. (Or, just pull the trigger anyway; I agree that it's not a big deal.)


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FINALLY, all cards except the Chase are now reported at zero. So I'll be reviewing targets tomorrow, for a Friday morning launch. If there are any advantages to sitting until Monday, post here. I've not seen any indication re: optimal day of the week, if any, for AOR launches in any threads -- only that 9AM EST is best.

Now, how long does reported data take to affect the FICO scores? My FAKOS haven't budged since I first posted in September. I'm only curious about that, as I think these days they look at everything and I won't gain anything by waiting even longer for something to happen there.


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Moonbutt said:Now, how long does reported data take to affect the FICO scores? My FAKOS haven't budged since I first posted in September. I'm only curious about that, as I think these days they look at everything and I won't gain anything by waiting even longer for something to happen there.Scores are based solely on the reported data; whenever the data changes, the score change immediately.


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Glitch99 said:Scores are based solely on the reported data; whenever the data changes, the score change immediately.

That would suggest I didn't need to wait for the zeroes In any case, I have them. The OP has all the up-to-date current accounts info now, and the planned apps will be locked down tomorrow evening.


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Here's my tentative priority for apps:

Tentative Launch Priority:

Biznas Cards:
Citi Business W/15kTYP
Bank Atlantic Biz
Advanta Small Biz (would have to be phone app, won't work from Firefox/Ubuntu)

Personal Cards, High Priority

USBank Linux VISA
BOA Platinum Plus (by phone)
Citi Associated Bank
Juniper I Fly

Lower Priority:
Citi Driver's Edge
Chase OptionsXpress MC
Chase Disney Rewards Visa
Discover More

WAMU Real Rewards VISA (18 months 0% purchase with $100 BT)
USBank Visa Platinum 0%/12 purchases and 3.99%/60 no-fee BT.


The last two are pre-approved mail solicitations that I'm curious about -- the first because of the 18 months 0% purchase rate, and the second because I'm anticipating inflation to get well ahead of that rate within those five years. Also, no BT fees for that 60 months.

The plan is to take care of goal #1 first -- get the Chase balance parked somewhere. The business apps and the "high priority" personal apps are for that; those will go Friday morning.

After that, it's just to see what I can grab, perhaps on Monday.


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