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I need a feedback and ways to re-negotiate a price with the builder on my new house.
I purchased it and signed the contract 7 months ago. I haven't closed yet and won't be doing so for another 2 months.

However, I am sitting at a peak price. Builder has droped inventory prices by upto $40K on the similar homes in my neighborhood
When I asked to readjust the price they are not honoring it - stating that contract is done and I need to start a new contract etc. etc.
but no lot available to accomodate this floor plan any more and so I will end up going to a higher price home (bigger home/lot).

I am about $17K in the upfront hole. So if I backout I will lose that money.
However, one can argure that the $40K loss is greater than $17K upfront.

Problem is that I need this house as my son is already going to the school in that school district.
All other homes in the area are still about $100K more in price so I need this house.

Please advise on how to get some credit back from the builder before I close this house??

Thanks in advance.


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I'm with you man... I have the exact back-out cost too - $10K + realtor. You aren't using Lennar by any chance are you?

My similar post


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skagen said:I'm with you man... I have the exact back-out cost too - $10K + realtor. You aren't using Lennar by any chance are you?

My similar post

Nope.
TaylorMorrison


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There has been lots of press about this kind of situation. My read is that -$17K > -$40K. Read you contract, look for provisions where the builder can sue you for losses beyond your deposit, and provisions where you can cancel the contract AND get back your deposits. You will need to ask a lawyer.


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I'm a little torn here. On one hand, it sucks that you got into a house and then the market collapsed, but on the other, you signed a contract and the housing market has risks.

What if you were under contract and the house went up 100K in value before it was built? You'd be screaming bloody murder if the builder tried to reneg on that deal.

Here's my take: Either eat the 17K and get a (now) cheaper house, or lick your wounds and just live in the house for a long long time. My guess is the builder won't budge. He has no reason to.


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deallover said:Problem is that I need this house as my son is already going to the school in that school district.
All other homes in the area are still about $100K more in price so I need this house.
Hope you're ready to stick with the original contract, because you're bluffing big time...you need that house more than the builder needs you.


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You locked yourself into a contract and want to back out because the market changed. Sounds like people who want to walk away from upside down mortgages.

You said you NEED this house so that takes away a lot of your power especially if other houses are going for 100k more.

To back out you'd probably have to say you can't afford it, lose the money. but how could you turn around right away and say everything is fine sell me another house to the same builder?


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I'm with nycll here - if the builder can't go after you for the balance past your deposit, you may be able to get some of your negotiating power back, otherwise you are probably SOL.


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Good responses guys.
Being on FW for so ling, I am glad to see honest responses from known FW IDs

Main issue is the school district for me. This is a smaller house. All other houses in this school district are big and in 500K range even today.
Builder doesn't know that I need this house badly

My only other option is to back out and wait for couple of years before going into market again.
I sold my previous home so I am back in the first time home buyer category.

Infact I should get the 100K more expensive house and rely on Mr. Paulson to bail me out
kidding.....

Since this is a long term home for us, I guess at the end it is ok as long as I am staying here long term.
Market ups and downs would adjust and hopefully I won't lose more money.

It is just that with the sudden uncertainity in the housing market and builder slashing prices on all inventory homes like crazy is scary.


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#1: Consult with a RE lawyer to find out exactly what options you have under the contract you've signed.

#2: Try to find a reasonable amount to ask the builder for.

For example, if that 17K upfront is forfeit when you back out, realize that the builder can find someone else to pay the -40K current price AND pocket your 17K, so he only loses 23K compared to your contract. If you are expecting him to come down 40K, how does that make sense for him? If you asked him to come down 15K, he will be choosing to either lose 15K on your contract vs. the risk of losing 23K if you walk.

Your other potential leverage in this situation is the appraisal and financing. If you haven't gotten financing yet, and the appraisal comes in at a lower price, you might regain some bargaining power. Have your lawyer check the contract for what happens to your 17K if the appraisal comes in lower than the sale price. If it favors you, you might get the builder to agree to adjust the sale price to match the appraisal.

Just remember, that you did agree to pay a particular price. You're not dealing with Target who will match the lower price if the item goes on sale later. Now, the contract does spell out situations where you can back out and not go through with the sale. It's perfectly legal to exercise those, but be prepared to pay the penalties associated with them (forfeiture of deposit). Of course, the builder would rather not see you walk away, and have to find a new buyer in this market, but you don't sound like you want to walk away either.


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Do you have any contingencies left on the house or have they all been removed? Having an active financing or appraisal contingency will swing the favor largely to your corner as you can take your EMD back.


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xarien said:Do you have any contingencies left on the house or have they all been removed? Having an active financing or appraisal contingency will swing the favor largely to your corner as you can take your EMD back.

Builder did not allow any contingency but I will check the contract tonight.
That is a very good point.

Also, I will get the appraisal done. If they use current comparables, my house would definitely come lower than the current price.


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One more thing - how long are you going to be in the house? If you plan for 7+ years, then a $40K hole now will/should be made up.


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Redbeard25 said:One more thing - how long are you going to be in the house? If you plan for 7+ years, then a $40K hole now will/should be made up.

Most likely for 7-10 years or if I die early
So in the worst case this is what I would think too.....over these many years of spread, 40K would be corrected over time.
Also by then, all areas at a convenient location to downtown would be full so it would maintain the value.


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If the house isn't finished yet, you may be able to negotiate upgrades. Higher end cabinets/countertops. Finish out basement. Higher end appliances. Maybe a furniture allowance. Be creative. If you are going to negotiate, have plenty of options in mind. Maybe the builder has a credit with one of his vendors that wouldn't mean money out of his pocket.


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Why can't you view at it saving 60k if houses are 100k more in same area? Your builder may not want to bargain if they're saying lose the upfront cash and rewrite a contract.


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UrsaMajor said:Why can't you view at it saving 60k if houses are 100k more in same area? Your builder may not want to bargain if they're saying lose the upfront cash and rewrite a contract.

That is one way to look at it but those other homes are bigger with a larger lot.
So if I compare few homes that are lower in price (about 50 of them Vs. 300 big ones), then I am sitting at the peak.

Like I mentioned, builder is slashing price on inventory homes right now to get rid of them before the year end.

Also, they are offering 5.25% for life financing if you buy inventory home but refuse to give that rate to me.


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I was in a similar situation, however, there was a base price guarantee in my contract whereby the builder had to give me the lowest price that my model was selling for if it dropped after we were in contract. We ended up completely getting out of the contract because the builder was almost a year behind schedule.


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Mithrin said:
Your other potential leverage in this situation is the appraisal and financing. If you haven't gotten financing yet, and the appraisal comes in at a lower price, you might regain some bargaining power. Have your lawyer check the contract for what happens to your 17K if the appraisal comes in lower than the sale price. If it favors you, you might get the builder to agree to adjust the sale price to match the appraisal.

We just purchased at the end of July 2008 and the appraisal came in under the sales price, so Richmond adjusted the price to make the sale. Your saving grace will be the appraisal as the lender will not allow the higher sales price unless the buyer is willing to pay it.


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