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shahen
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posted: Oct. 9, 2008 @ 7:36a
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/08/chicago.evictions/index.html#cnnSTCVideo On this board, linear thinking strikes again. It's amazing how some of you are incapable of any sort of empathy. It's a very complex situation and the sheriff makes a lot of sense when he says he's not going to evict anyone unless he has proof that they have been alerted of the impending foreclosure. Why should law-abiding people who follow the rules and who pay their rent come home to find all of their property on the street? That's not right and thankfully the sheriff has the maturity to recognize that.
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Xnarg
- Graceful Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2008 @ 7:41a
shahen said:http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/08/chicago.evictions/index.html#cnnSTCVideo
On this board, linear thinking strikes again. It's amazing how some of you are incapable of any sort of empathy. It's a very complex situation and the sheriff makes a lot of sense when he says he's not going to evict anyone unless he has proof that they have been alerted of the impending foreclosure. Why should law-abiding people who follow the rules and who pay their rent come home to find all of their property on the street? That's not right and thankfully the sheriff has the maturity to recognize that.So instead of working to fix the system (i.e., proper notification), the sheriff throws a monkey wrench into the entire process. It's up to a sheriff to enforce laws, not make them or selectively enforce those with which he agrees. |
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lindylady
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posted: Oct. 9, 2008 @ 7:56a
shahen said: On this board, linear thinking strikes again. It's amazing how some of you are incapable of any sort of empathy. . By linear thinking do you mean logical thinking? Empathy has nothing to do with it. Before soemone can be evicted they must be notified several times that eviction is pending and it can not occur during below freezing days or if it snowing ect. This is someone who has sworn to uphold the law taking the law into his own hands and creating chaos. That is worse and worse for society. |
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gatzdon
- Senior Member - 4K
posted: Oct. 9, 2008 @ 8:05a
squirrelproductions said:taxmantoo said:Xnarg said: It's nearly impossible to get elected in Cook County without being corrupt. Some of the collar counties and suburbs are more reasonable.
But some day, maybe January 20, 2009, a Crook County corrupt politician may grow up to become president.We can all hope .. and vote! .....and vote, and vote, and vote, etc.... (at least in cook county you can) |
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Clewer624
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posted: Oct. 9, 2008 @ 8:11a
gatzdon said:squirrelproductions said:taxmantoo said:Xnarg said: It's nearly impossible to get elected in Cook County without being corrupt. Some of the collar counties and suburbs are more reasonable.
But some day, maybe January 20, 2009, a Crook County corrupt politician may grow up to become president.We can all hope .. and vote!
.....and vote, and vote, and vote, etc.... (at least in cook county you can) In Crook County we vote early and we vote often. |
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depalma13
- Senior Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2008 @ 8:19a
He's just pissed that the Cubs lost. |
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ppatin
- Senior Member - 1K
posted: Oct. 9, 2008 @ 8:19a
shahen said:http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/08/chicago.evictions/index.html#cnnSTCVideo
On this board, linear thinking strikes again. It's amazing how some of you are incapable of any sort of empathy. It's a very complex situation and the sheriff makes a lot of sense when he says he's not going to evict anyone unless he has proof that they have been alerted of the impending foreclosure. Why should law-abiding people who follow the rules and who pay their rent come home to find all of their property on the street? That's not right and thankfully the sheriff has the maturity to recognize that. The sheriff should recognize that it's his job to ENFORCE the law, not make it. I do think there should be some protection for renters who rent from deadbeat landlords, however it's not appropriate for the sheriff to be dreaming up his own rules. BTW, this is why I'm grateful that Maryland puts a summary of all of its court records online. My landlord seems like the (mostly) honest type, but once a month or so I like to run his name through the system just to make sure he's not having any foreclosure issues. |
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Xnarg
- Graceful Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2008 @ 8:22a
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Xnarg
- Graceful Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2008 @ 8:24a
Clewer624 said:...In Crook County we vote early and we vote often.Four generations of family members owned a manufacturing business in Chicago. Dealing with corruption was a fact of life they faced since they started the business in the late 1800s. They refused to pay bribes to various city and county officials - and they suffered financially because of it, but at least they kept their dignity and integrity. |
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Xnarg
- Graceful Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2008 @ 8:29a
lindylady said:...By linear thinking do you mean logical thinking? Empathy has nothing to do with it....Tru dat!  Non-linear thinking is what empathetic Congresspersons exhibited when they required financial institutions to make home loans to unqualified people. They (temporarily) achieved their "outside the box" goal of "social equalization" through increased home ownership among "disadvantaged" people, but sank the system in the process. |
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ppatin
- Senior Member - 1K
posted: Oct. 9, 2008 @ 8:32a
Xnarg said:lindylady said:...By linear thinking do you mean logical thinking? Empathy has nothing to do with it....
Non-linear thinking is what empathetic Congresspersons exhibited when they required financial institutions to make home loans to unqualified people. They (temporarily) achieved their "outside the box" goal of "social equalization" through increased home ownership among "disadvantaged" people, but sank the system in the process. For some reason "non-linear thinking" made me think of the "aggressive accounting" we got from Enron. |
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LorenPechtel
- Senior Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2008 @ 10:47a
SlimTim said:WTF difference does it make if they're evicting someone who owned the property or someone who rented it? I assume the eviction process there requires notification, even to tenants.
It's a crummy situation but if the new owners don't want the renters there and follow the typically lengthy and tedious process to evict the renters, then that's their right. Except the notice requirement to renters is being widely ignored. He's simply enforcing it. |
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LorenPechtel
- Senior Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2008 @ 10:48a
lonestarguy said:Hopefully, banks will react either jack up interest rates in Chicago or stop issuing mortgages their altogether until this lazy sheriff gets the boot from voters. More likely they'll just pay attention to the law and give the renters the notice they are required to. |
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Xnarg
- Graceful Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2008 @ 10:50a
LorenPechtel said:lonestarguy said:Hopefully, banks will react either jack up interest rates in Chicago or stop issuing mortgages their altogether until this lazy sheriff gets the boot from voters.
More likely they'll just pay attention to the law and give the renters the notice they are required to.Do you think that the renters will admit receiving such notices or just continue to claim they knew nothing about the foreclosure and eviction? |
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LorenPechtel
- Senior Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2008 @ 10:51a
Xnarg said:shahen said:http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/08/chicago.evictions/index.html#cnnSTCVideo
On this board, linear thinking strikes again. It's amazing how some of you are incapable of any sort of empathy. It's a very complex situation and the sheriff makes a lot of sense when he says he's not going to evict anyone unless he has proof that they have been alerted of the impending foreclosure. Why should law-abiding people who follow the rules and who pay their rent come home to find all of their property on the street? That's not right and thankfully the sheriff has the maturity to recognize that.So instead of working to fix the system (i.e., proper notification), the sheriff throws a monkey wrench into the entire process.
It's up to a sheriff to enforce laws, not make them or selectively enforce those with which he agrees. He *IS* enforcing the laws! He is simply requiring that they show that the law has been followed before carrying out the eviction. Obviously he doesn't trust the courts to do their job. |
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Xnarg
- Graceful Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2008 @ 11:18a
I can't find a legitimate news source (i.e., non-blog) that says that the Sheriff is merely requiring the proof of execution of legal procedure. Rather, the news sources say he is stopping ALL evictions. CNN: "Sheriff Thomas J. Dart said earlier he is suspending foreclosure evictions in Cook County, which includes the city of Chicago." I agree that the legislature needs to be more specific in requiring that proof be given to renters of pending eviction, but I disagree that a sheriff refusing to do his job is the right way to go about it. The sheriff has just lost the moral ground when it comes to civil disobedience. He can no longer arrest anyone for violating a law they think is unjust. "If it's ok for the sheriff to break laws with which he disagrees, then I should be able to do that too." |
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SlimyTadpole
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posted: Oct. 9, 2008 @ 11:55a
I agree that the legislature needs to be more specific in requiring that proof be given to renters of pending eviction, but I disagree that a sheriff refusing to do his job is the right way to go about it. If the problem of renters not being notified is as rampant as he suggests, then it's a waste of his department's resources to keep sending out police to enforce evictions, when the mortgage holder hasn't properly notified those who will be evicted. Every politician loves to say how much they support the police, but he reality of the situation is that many counties and municipalities keep them funded 'just enough'. I'm also reasonably sure the Sheriff's budget was made prior to the spike in evictions. Having to go out to enforce evictions, only to find out that the person, or bank, at who's request I am performing the eviction, hasn't performed their legal obligations, would leave me pissed, too. It would also add a non-trivial strain to an already stretched budget.
That said, I'm surprised he didn't mention the percentage of evictions that his department was unable to perform due to mortgage holders dropping the ball. If it's a high enough number, it could go a long way toward justifying his actions.
"If it's ok for the sheriff to break laws with which he disagrees, then I should be able to do that too." If this guy's argument is that he isn't enforcing evictions because they are wrong or evil, it would be a different situation. But he never said he disagrees with the law. |
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Xnarg
- Graceful Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2008 @ 11:58a
SlimyTadpole said:...If the problem of renters not being notified is as rampant as he suggests, then it's a waste of his department's resources to keep sending out police to enforce evictions, when the mortgage holder hasn't properly notified those who will be evicted.The number of renters on foreclosed properties is estimated nation-wide to be less than 10% of the total. |
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johneh
- Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2008 @ 11:59a
"I disagree with abortion, so we aren't going to investigate who murdered the Dr. performing abortions" "I like hookers & blow, so I am not going to go after drug dealers & hookers" His job is to enforce the law, not make the law. |
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52club
- Ancient Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2008 @ 1:02p
If you are going to lose a house wouldn't this encourage you to rent it out? Either way the house will be gone, but you could make a little $$$ back. |
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