CHICAGO (AP) - Residents of foreclosed properties in Chicago and other parts of Cook County don't have to worry about deputies forcing them out. Sheriff Tom Dart says that starting Thursday his office won't take part in evictions.
Dart says he's concerned that many of the people being evicted are renters who were unaware that their landlords have been failing to pay their mortgages. He says his deputies have no way of knowing whether they're removing someone who has defaulted on a loan or someone who has been faithfully paying rent.
Dart says he thinks he's the first sheriff in a major metropolitan area to stop such evictions during the ongoing foreclosure crisis.
Dart says the number of mortgage foreclosures in Cook County has skyrocketed and will probably keep rising.
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Oh great! Why enforce laws with which you disagree?
WTF difference does it make if they're evicting someone who owned the property or someone who rented it? I assume the eviction process there requires notification, even to tenants.
It's a crummy situation but if the new owners don't want the renters there and follow the typically lengthy and tedious process to evict the renters, then that's their right.
Today's multiple choice reality check question of the day. . .
Sheriff Tom Dart is:
A. A disgruntled home owner with a 5/1 ARM about to adjust 5 percent higher. B. Up for re-election and has given up on the traditional methods of remaining in office (such as lowering crime). C. Oblivious to the concept of a "lease," and it's magical powers of solving the "who owns this house" confusion. D. All of the above.
DiabloD3
Senior Member
posted: Oct. 8, 2008 @ 5:22p
You forgot one, Brainy... E. Sick and tired of the government and wants to do something about it, even if its going to get him fired.
But if you don't evict, then the renters keep paying rent and only crooked landlord profits from the sher'fs largesse.
ptiemann
Senior Member
posted: Oct. 8, 2008 @ 5:36p
soundtechie said: But if you don't evict, then the renters keep paying rent and only crooked landlord profits from the sher'fs largesse.
yes, it's a win-win for the renter and the (non mortgage paying) homeowner.
The bank is at a loss since it would be easier to sell a vacant property.
Xnarg
Senior Member - 5K
posted: Oct. 8, 2008 @ 5:43p
soundtechie said: But if you don't evict, then the renters keep paying rent and only crooked landlord profits from the sher'fs largesse.Renters could just stop paying rent and trash the place - if the sheriff isn't going to evict.
BrainySmurf said: Today's multiple choice reality check question of the day. . .
Sheriff Tom Dart is:
A. A disgruntled home owner with a 5/1 ARM about to adjust 5 percent higher. B. Up for re-election and has given up on the traditional methods of remaining in office (such as lowering crime). C. Oblivious to the concept of a "lease," and it's magical powers of solving the "who owns this house" confusion. D. All of the above.
Step 1: Find a nice Condo or House to rent. Make sure it's in Cook County. Step 2: Pay Security Deposit. Step 3: Start saving your monthly rent because you no longer need to pay it in order to stay.
Side note to landlords. Background checks have just become enormously important. No more renting to people with bad credit, because they no longer have anything to lose. Maybe even increase Security Deposit to something like 6 months.
Hopefully, banks will react either jack up interest rates in Chicago or stop issuing mortgages their altogether until this lazy sheriff gets the boot from voters.
Xnarg
Senior Member - 5K
posted: Oct. 8, 2008 @ 8:00p
DiMAn0684 said: BrainySmurf said: Today's multiple choice reality check question of the day. . .
Sheriff Tom Dart is:
A. A disgruntled home owner with a 5/1 ARM about to adjust 5 percent higher. B. Up for re-election and has given up on the traditional methods of remaining in office (such as lowering crime). C. Oblivious to the concept of a "lease," and it's magical powers of solving the "who owns this house" confusion. D. All of the above.
E. wants to see his name on CNN.comF. wants to see his name on FW.
win333
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Oct. 8, 2008 @ 8:06p
DiabloD3 said: You forgot one, Brainy... E. Sick and tired of the government and wants to do something about it, even if its going to get him fired.
I guess you don't own anything, how would you like it?
The FING guys an idiot and should be shot and his dead body dragged behind my car!
I evict people all the time, oh well get over it and go live with mommy.
Maybe i'll move into your car, maybe then you'll understand it. It's not only banks who foreclose or evict people.
do178b
Senior Member
posted: Oct. 8, 2008 @ 8:07p
Ten years on the vice squad must have turned him into a softy.
thok
Tired Member
posted: Oct. 8, 2008 @ 8:54p
Pay your bills, deadbeat!
kgotze
Member
posted: Oct. 8, 2008 @ 9:15p
other than it being a P.I.T.A. why don't the banks just take over the landlord position from the defaulting mortgage holder?... its not like people are busting down the banks doors to buy houses. why not make some money? I know the real estate investing crowd often will pay a little more for an occupied property.
GreenBack
Senior Member
posted: Oct. 8, 2008 @ 9:20p
I would not be so quick to judge. I see two greedy parties (lending institution and landlord) and one innocent party (renter) in this dispute. The big gorilla (lending institution) is try to evict the innocent renter. The renter has lived up to his/her obligations by paying the rent and is no less innocent than the taxpayers who are paying for a mess they did not create. This case has legal merits and the Sheriff is wise to stay on the sidelines until it is heard in court. If anything, many of the lending institutions are partly guilty for this mess and the plight of the renter.
magika
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Oct. 8, 2008 @ 9:25p
G. The Chicago political machine is ramping up to get "re-elected" via its normal methods: bribery!
kronus
Ancient Member
posted: Oct. 8, 2008 @ 9:28p
lonestarguy said: Hopefully, banks will react either jack up interest rates in Chicago or stop issuing mortgages their altogether until this lazy sheriff gets the boot from voters.LOL, you don't live in Chicago, do you? It's the democratic machine where people seem to be born for life into govt jobs and can do as they please. Want to bulldoze a beautiful lakefront airport in the middle of the night? Funnel all city contracts to your relatives and kickbacking cronies? Sell govt land to your friends and then rezone it increasing the value by millions? Hire your unqualified relatives into 100k jobs lacking any accountability? Not be subject to motor vehicle laws or traffic tickets? Charge your new Lexus lease and gas to the city and have it be fine (or just have a security detail and driver like some aldermen that are paid for by the city)? Go for it! It's the Chicago democratic machine. Laws are for unconnected suckers.
(yes, all true events that define the pitiful state of Chicago politics)
win333
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Oct. 8, 2008 @ 9:33p
GreenBack said: I would not be so quick to judge. I see two greedy parties (lending institution and landlord) and one innocent party (renter) in this dispute. The big gorilla (lending institution) is try to evict the innocent renter. The renter has lived up to his/her obligations by paying the rent and is no less innocent than the taxpayers who are paying for a mess they did not create. This case has legal merits and the Sheriff is wise to stay on the sidelines until it is heard in court. If anything, many of the lending institutions are partly guilty for this mess and the plight of the renter.
Heard in court? The sherrif only gets involved after there is a court order. If you don't want to be caught up in economic crap then buy your own house.
Plus the said "I don't know if the tenant has been paying rent and the landlord not paying his mortgage". The sherrif is supposed to uphold the law, NOT MAKE LAWS!
I am dealing with the same issue on my house. My landlord didn't tell us about the foreclosure. I don't know whether to take the cash for keys option or wait for the court order.
win333
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Oct. 8, 2008 @ 9:59p
bigdinkel said: I am dealing with the same issue on my house. My landlord didn't tell us about the foreclosure. I don't know whether to take the cash for keys option or wait for the court order.
Cash for keys? I'd take it, you'll feel better when you have a stable place to live.
I think it's pretty obvious that the renter's rights issues between states are in question, and Illinois has actually made some recent changes to theirs. Not to mention, if the Sheriff doesn't know if its the owner or the renter, it's important since their are different regulations involved with each one... different rights.
win333
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Oct. 8, 2008 @ 10:48p
Nessy said: I think it's pretty obvious that the renter's rights issues between states are in question, and Illinois has actually made some recent changes to theirs. Not to mention, if the Sheriff doesn't know if its the owner or the renter, it's important since their are different regulations involved with each one... different rights.
If it was foreclosed, they are both occupants and have had notice and their day in court!
win333 said: bigdinkel said: I am dealing with the same issue on my house. My landlord didn't tell us about the foreclosure. I don't know whether to take the cash for keys option or wait for the court order.
Cash for keys? I'd take it, you'll feel better when you have a stable place to live.
I hear you but it was a low ball offer for the amount of rent I was paying. I am not going to accept $1k for a $2,200 a month house when I can stay in the house for a free month's worth of rent. I called the realtor because he said the bank is willing to negogiate and told him that I want my security deposit's worth ($2,500) and 30 days notice.
win333
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Oct. 8, 2008 @ 10:54p
bigdinkel said: win333 said: bigdinkel said: I am dealing with the same issue on my house. My landlord didn't tell us about the foreclosure. I don't know whether to take the cash for keys option or wait for the court order.
Cash for keys? I'd take it, you'll feel better when you have a stable place to live.
I hear you but it was a low ball offer for the amount of rent I was paying. I am not going to accept $1k for a $2,200 a month house when I can stay in the house for a free month's worth of rent. I called the realtor because he said the bank is willing to negogiate and told him that I want my security deposit's worth ($2,500) and 30 days notice.
Heck make the bank a low ball offer, maybe they'll bight.
win333 said: bigdinkel said: win333 said: bigdinkel said: I am dealing with the same issue on my house. My landlord didn't tell us about the foreclosure. I don't know whether to take the cash for keys option or wait for the court order.
Cash for keys? I'd take it, you'll feel better when you have a stable place to live.
I hear you but it was a low ball offer for the amount of rent I was paying. I am not going to accept $1k for a $2,200 a month house when I can stay in the house for a free month's worth of rent. I called the realtor because he said the bank is willing to negogiate and told him that I want my security deposit's worth ($2,500) and 30 days notice.
Heck make the bank a low ball offer, maybe they'll bight.
Can't afford a home right now, I was splitting the $2,200 a month with 4 of my buddies. Don't worry it was a 5 bedroom house.
"other than it being a P.I.T.A. why don't the banks just take over the landlord position from the defaulting mortgage holder?... its not like people are busting down the banks doors to buy houses. why not make some money? I know the real estate investing crowd often will pay a little more for an occupied property."
Why not? Because banks aren't in the position of being a landlord. These banks usually aren't even in the same state. They can't make repairs, abide by housing codes etc because they don't have anyone there. Not only that, but who exactly is the owning bank? Did you know that the bank you send the payment to is actually just a servicing company and someone else actually owns the loan? They may not even know that they really own it as it's packaged up in a bunch of other loans. These are the very loans that Congress is bailing out. It's not simple and it's a mess which is why things are done the way they are even though it doesn't really make any sense at first blush.
As for greedy parties, no parties are greedy, they were all arms length transactions, maybe the banks were a bit too lax in giving them out. This case happens all the time. I would agree that the renter is innocent, but then again so was the bank. Remember it was the homeowner that took out the loan. Typically the lease is terminated once the property is foreclosed on and it's in the banks right to evict the tenant.
gatzdon said: Side note to landlords. Background checks have just become enormously important. No more renting to people with bad credit, because they no longer have anything to lose. Maybe even increase Security Deposit to something like 6 months.
Six Months? That would price most renters out of the market. I would wager even those of us with a six month emergency fund wouldn't want to tie it up in a security deposit- that defeats the purpose of an emergency fund. And it's a lot of money to lose if your landlord is a deadbeat/in over his head/gets foreclosed on/walks away/declares bankrupcy.
win333
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Oct. 9, 2008 @ 3:33a
oopsz said: gatzdon said: Side note to landlords. Background checks have just become enormously important. No more renting to people with bad credit, because they no longer have anything to lose. Maybe even increase Security Deposit to something like 6 months.
Six Months? That would price most renters out of the market. I would wager even those of us with a six month emergency fund wouldn't want to tie it up in a security deposit- that defeats the purpose of an emergency fund. And it's a lot of money to lose if your landlord is a deadbeat/in over his head/gets foreclosed on/walks away/declares bankrupcy.
Thats why it's important that us landlords know the rules up front. Or well just raise our requirements.
gldpurd
Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2008 @ 5:09a
This article has a little more background on the story:
"Dart announced his office will quit carrying out evictions stemming from mortgage foreclosures until lenders start providing proof they have taken the necessary steps to identify who is living at an address and that those facing eviction have received proper legal notice."
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"In the case of houses and condos that the previous owner was renting out, this careless practice has resulted in stunned tenants -- rent paid in full -- coming home from work to find their possessions on the curb. No notice. No opportunity to look for a new place to live. The same thing is happening with entire apartment buildings."
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"Illinois law gives a tenant 120 days to move after notification in the event of a foreclosure. Dart said lenders and their lawyers should be required to provide affidavits swearing the required notice was given."
Apparently, what triggered the announcement was the case of a Romanian national who borrowed $1 million on an apartment building and fled the country. The court issued an order to evict the Romanian (who was long gone), but deputies tried to evict tenants who were not named in the order and knew nothing about it.
gldpurd said: "Dart announced his office will quit carrying out evictions stemming from mortgage foreclosures until lenders start providing proof they have taken the necessary steps to identify who is living at an address and that those facing eviction have received proper legal notice."
There you have it. The Crook County courts are not doing their job (no surprise there, due process isn't much of a concern in Crook County), so the sheriff is starting to demand the evidence that should have been presented in court.
kronus said: lonestarguy said: Hopefully, banks will react either jack up interest rates in Chicago or stop issuing mortgages their altogether until this lazy sheriff gets the boot from voters.LOL, you don't live in Chicago, do you? It's the democratic machine where people seem to be born for life into govt jobs and can do as they please. Want to bulldoze a beautiful lakefront airport in the middle of the night? Funnel all city contracts to your relatives and kickbacking cronies? Sell govt land to your friends and then rezone it increasing the value by millions? Hire your unqualified relatives into 100k jobs lacking any accountability? Not be subject to motor vehicle laws or traffic tickets? Charge your new Lexus lease and gas to the city and have it be fine (or just have a security detail and driver like some aldermen that are paid for by the city)? Go for it! It's the Chicago democratic machine. Laws are for unconnected suckers.
(yes, all true events that define the pitiful state of Chicago politics)Tru dat!
Chicago area politics and politicians are incredibly corrupt from top to bottom.
It's nearly impossible to get elected in Cook County without being corrupt. Some of the collar counties and suburbs are more reasonable.
taxmantoo said: Xnarg said: It's nearly impossible to get elected in Cook County without being corrupt. Some of the collar counties and suburbs are more reasonable.
But some day, maybe January 20, 2009, a Crook County corrupt politician may grow up to become president.We can all hope .. and vote!
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