New York Times October 29, 2008 Consumers Feel the Next Crisis: It’s Credit Cards By ERIC DASH First came the mortgage crisis. Now comes the credit card crisis.
After years of flooding Americans with credit card offers and sky-high credit lines, lenders are sharply curtailing both, just as an eroding economy squeezes consumers.
The pullback is affecting even creditworthy consumers and threatens an already beleaguered banking industry with another wave of heavy losses after an era in which it reaped near record gains from the business of easy credit that it helped create.
Lenders wrote off an estimated $21 billion in bad credit card loans in the first half of 2008 as more borrowers defaulted on their payments. With companies laying off tens of thousands of workers, the industry stands to lose at least another $55 billion over the next year and a half, analysts say. Currently, the total losses amount to 5.5 percent of credit card debt outstanding, and could surpass the 7.9 percent level reached after the technology bubble burst in 2001.
“If unemployment continues to increase, credit card net charge-offs could exceed historical norms,” Gary L. Crittenden, Citigroup’s chief financial officer, said.
Faced with sobering conditions, companies that issue MasterCard, Visa and other cards are rushing to stanch the bleeding, even as options once easily tapped by borrowers to pay off credit card obligations, like home equity lines or the ability to transfer balances to a new card, dry up.
Big lenders — like American Express, Bank of America, Citigroup and even the retailer Target — have begun tightening standards for applicants and are culling their portfolios of the riskiest customers. Capital One, another big issuer, for example, has aggressively shut down inactive accounts and reduced customer credit lines by 4.5 percent in the second quarter from the previous period, according to regulatory filings.
Lenders are shunning consumers already in debt and cutting credit limits for existing cardholders, especially those who live in areas ravaged by the housing crisis or who work in troubled industries. In some cases, lenders are even reining in credit lines after monitoring cardholders who shop at the same stores as other risky borrowers or who have mortgages from certain companies.
While such changes protect lenders, some can come back to haunt consumers. The result can be a lower credit score, which forces a borrower to pay higher interest rates and makes it harder to obtain loans. A reduced line of credit can also make it harder for consumers to manage their budgets, because lenders have 30 days to notify their customers, and they often wait to do so after taking action.
The depth of the financial crisis has shocked a credit-hooked nation into rethinking its habits. Many families once content to buy now and pay later are eager to trim their reliance on credit cards. The Treasury Department, which is spending billions of dollars in taxpayer money to clean up an economic mess brought on in part by all sorts of easy credit, recently started an advertising campaign inviting consumers to check into the “Bad Credit Hotel,” an online game that teaches the basics of maintaining good credit.
At the same time, the fear factor among lenders has deepened just as the crisis makes it harder for some financially stretched consumers to wean themselves from credit cards for even basic needs, like gas and food.
“We are not going to say, ‘Yahoo, this is over,’ and extend credit like we did without fear,” Jamie Dimon, JPMorgan Chase’s chief executive, said in a recent conference call. “If you’re not fearful, you’re crazy.”
Even those with good credit ratings are not excepted. American Express, which traditionally catered to more upscale cardholders, said it would be increasing effective interest rates by 2 or 3 percentage points for some of its credit card holders — a move that could, for example, push a 15 percent rate up to 18 percent.
“We think it’s prudent given the nature of those products and the economic environment we face,” Daniel Henry, its chief financial officer, said in a recent conference call.
Some reward programs have also gotten stingier as lenders cut corners to save money. Card companies, for example, have taken to substituting cheaper brands for a Sony big-screen television as a way of lowering the cost of their redemption prizes.
For less creditworthy customers, issuers are pulling back on promotional offers that allowed borrowers to pay no interest for months as they try to get ahead of stiffer lending rules that have been proposed by federal banking regulators and Congress.
The regulations, while beneficial to consumers, will curb profits on card issuers’ riskiest customers. JPMorgan said that it was withdrawing some teaser-rate loans that were only marginally profitable. Discover Financial shortened the duration of its zero-balance offers.
And lenders, over all, are slowing the flood of mail offers to a trickle with moves that would translate for the average American household into about 13 fewer pieces of credit card junk mail a year than its peak in 2005. Mail offers to new and existing customers are on pace to drop below 8.4 billion pieces, the lowest level since 2004, according to Mintel Comperemedia, a direct marketing research firm.
Online credit card applications have fallen for the first time in five quarters, in part because customers are receiving fewer mail offers that drive them to the Web, according to data from comScore, an Internet marketing research firm.
“We used to get a couple of offers a week, but I haven’t seen a credit card offer in over a year,” said Brett Barry, who owns a real estate agency outside Phoenix and described his credit record as strong. “What blows me away is these companies are in the business of extending credit, but they don’t want to do it for me.”
Mr. Barry said that, without any notice, American Express had reduced the credit limit on his business and personal credit card at least four times in the last year, which he said had lowered his credit score. The moves have also made it difficult for him to manage his payroll and budget, he said.
“Credit card issuers have realized their market is shrinking and that there is no room for extra credit cards, so they have to scale back,” said Lisa Hronek, a research analyst at Mintel. “People are completely maxed out with mortgages, home equity lines and credit card debt.”
At the same time, credit card profit margins have been narrowing, largely because lenders’ own financing costs remain elevated as investors spurn credit card bonds, just as they did mortgages. Another factor is that the interest rates banks charge even creditworthy borrowers have come down after the emergency actions taken by the Federal Reserve to ease the credit crisis.
Meanwhile, bank executives say consumers are starting to curb their spending, to an extent that may become clearer Wednesday when Visa reports its third-quarter results.
In previous downturns, banks could make up the missing profits by raising fees. This time, there may be less room to maneuver.
“The last time credit costs spiked, the late fees were much lower, so card issuers could turn to that and reprice more nimbly,” a Morgan Stanley analyst, Betsy Graseck, said. “There is just more scrutiny now, and coming after the subprime mortgage crisis, the world is more sensitive to the way lenders behave.”
Mail offers to new and existing customers are on pace to drop below 8.4 billion pieces, the lowest level since 2004, according to Mintel Comperemedia, a direct marketing research firm.
Yeah, we've got a real shortage of junk mail there.
Are there people from Texas, North Carolina, or other better real estate areas? I am trying to see if the banks are pulling out nationwide or targetting the high foreclosures areas.
I am sure AMEX raising the interest rates by 2% or 3% will help those that already have a hard time paying back. I still can't comprehend why anybody would pay 18% interest on a credit card not to mention some cards with way above 20%.
LaJollaInvestor
Senior Member
posted: Oct. 29, 2008 @ 3:54p
bleez said: I think it's more important than ever to get all those cards out and use them every month.
It's a pita but that's exactly what we're doing. Not every month but we're breaking out old cards and putting small charges on them.
So far in our 5 person family only 1 person has had a card closed for inactivity (good ol' HSBC) but I don't want to take chances with old cards with long histories.
It's tricky bc you don't want to have too many cards with balances reporting- so we've been making small charges and then paying off before the cycle closes.
We're also alternating our secondary spender card-
As far as pre-approved offers for new cards go we used to fill the shredder with them every month- but we've gone from 3-5 per week to 2-4 per month now.
GroveStreetOG
Senior Member
posted: Oct. 29, 2008 @ 4:14p
prastogi said: CITI is closing my 2 old accounts that I havent used in a long while! uh oh
My wife and I got a letter like that, I called them up they said just use the card, charge $1.00 if you want to, so we charged $1.00 on each card and the deadline has passed and the cards are still open. So if you don't want them to close the card, just put a little activity on them.
LaJollaInvestor said: bleez said: I think it's more important than ever to get all those cards out and use them every month.
It's a pita but that's exactly what we're doing. Not every month but we're breaking out old cards and putting small charges on them.
So far in our 5 person family only 1 person has had a card closed for inactivity (good ol' HSBC) but I don't want to take chances with old cards with long histories.
It's tricky bc you don't want to have too many cards with balances reporting- so we've been making small charges and then paying off before the cycle closes.
We're also alternating our secondary spender card-
As far as pre-approved offers for new cards go we used to fill the shredder with them every month- but we've gone from 3-5 per week to 2-4 per month now.I've got three 1" binder clips holding 20+ cards in each clip.
Binder 1 = AOR1.0 & 2.0 zero balance/low line cards Binder 2 = AOR1.0 (Mrs J) Binder 3 = ALL AOR consolidated cards
Quarterly, I use then pay each deck of cards one time through.
xxjt
Member
posted: Oct. 29, 2008 @ 6:08p
I've received CLR's on BofA and AMEX. Wasn't expecting it since I have 740+ credit score and 10+ year history on the cards with CLR's.
Also; just did an 0% App at US Bank and they pulled a property report on me to verify information! They did approve the application though.
LaJollaInvestor
Senior Member
posted: Oct. 29, 2008 @ 7:15p
xxjt said: I've received CLR's on BofA and AMEX. Wasn't expecting it since I have 740+ credit score and 10+ year history on the cards with CLR's.
Also; just did an 0% App at US Bank and they pulled a property report on me to verify information! They did approve the application though.
That's interesting xx- what type of property report and how did you discover they ran it?
As savvy as I thought I was when it came to "all things credit" I must admit that only recently have I realized the extent and sophistication of this sub rosa data analysis.
As a friend recently pointed out- "They probably know more about us than we know ourselves"
PlayItSafe
Dismembered Member
posted: Oct. 29, 2008 @ 8:08p
nycll said: Are there people from Texas, North Carolina, or other better real estate areas? I am trying to see if the banks are pulling out nationwide or targetting the high foreclosures areas.
I live in Mass and have been checking CC accounts once in a while and have seen no pull back of CL's. I carry no balances and after AOR 1 and 2, I have some 30,40 and 50K lines with the usual suspects. I also have numerous cards in the 10 to 20k range with numerous other issuers.
The only AA I saw was from HSBC about a year ago on a crappy 8k line card for inactivity.
I hear the economy is bad, but I couldn't get a room at Foxwoods Casino in CT last weekend and they have about 8 thousand of them. The place was very crowded (and smoky). Now that I think of it, I probably should have paid cash for my dinner at the Hard Rock lest AMEX think that makes me a higher risk being in a casino. First time I've been there in years and now I remember why it's been years.
“If unemployment continues to increase, credit card net charge-offs could exceed historical norms,” Gary L. Crittenden, Citigroup’s chief financial officer, said.
Wow, now there is some insight... so charge-offs are still "below average", but could get worse.
Rathipon
Greedy Member
posted: Oct. 29, 2008 @ 11:06p
LaJollaInvestor said: The Treasury Department, which is spending billions of dollars in taxpayer money to clean up an economic mess brought on in part by all sorts of easy credit, recently started an advertising campaign inviting consumers to check into the “Bad Credit Hotel,” an online game that teaches the basics of maintaining good credit.
Anyone else have the misfortune of checking into the Bad Credit Hotel game?
okaythen
Member
posted: Oct. 30, 2008 @ 12:36a
nycll said: Are there people from Texas, North Carolina, or other better real estate areas? I am trying to see if the banks are pulling out nationwide or targetting the high foreclosures areas.
what are some of the states/cities that are better real estate areas? thanks
bassmanben
Frivolous Member
posted: Oct. 30, 2008 @ 2:38a
LaJollaInvestor said: Mr. Barry said that, without any notice, American Express had reduced the credit limit on his business and personal credit card at least four times in the last year, which he said had lowered his credit score. somehow I doubt this. Suppose he doesnt really know what he's talking about anyways.
BayesFormula
Member
posted: Oct. 30, 2008 @ 3:27a
GermanExpat said: I still can't comprehend why anybody would pay 18% interest on a credit card not to mention some cards with way above 20%.
Before FW, I did. I carried a balance of about $1000 every month on a 26% APR student Visa card when I didn't know better. I didn't even ever think about interest rates, or how much my card balance increased each month.
Now, I carry no balance and have earned about $54 in the last three months by earning ThankYou points with an mtvU card that currently has a promotional 0% standard purchase offer.
It's funny how once you learn how to manage your credit, you start to earn money off of it instead of paying interest...
okaythen said: nycll said: Are there people from Texas, North Carolina, or other better real estate areas? I am trying to see if the banks are pulling out nationwide or targetting the high foreclosures areas. what are some of the states/cities that are better real estate areas? thanksYou can check the Case-Shiller home price indices:
Many areas in TX, NC, and NYC metro area are the few bright spot. But lately NYC is slipping faster due to wall street woes.
ricardoecuador
New Member
posted: Oct. 30, 2008 @ 9:58a
I'm in Raleigh Durham, NC. I have gotten less direct mail in the past 2 weeks, but I am still getting a few 0% offers. I did receive a letter from Citi telling me to use my cards or lose them, though.
The North Texas area (Dallas/Ft. Worth) is not doing badly, although I would not categorize the RE activity as brisk. But the counter-point to that is that we did not have 20%+ run-ups in home prices that the coasts had, it was a more moderate and 'normal' appreciation (so there is not much of a bubble to pop).
We have been fortunate in Texas as well because of a diverse economy. There are many sectors represented in TX (Tech, Healthcare, Defense, Auto, Energy, Education, etc.) As one sector declines, other(s) are gaining steam. Through the summer, the energy industry was a net positive for the region (even though it strained personal wallets).
ricardoecuador said: I'm in Raleigh Durham, NC. I have gotten less direct mail in the past 2 weeks, but I am still getting a few 0% offers. I did receive a letter from Citi telling me to use my cards or lose them, though.
ricardoecuador said: I'm in Raleigh Durham, NC. I have gotten less direct mail in the past 2 weeks, but I am still getting a few 0% offers. I did receive a letter from Citi telling me to use my cards or lose them, though. Charlotte, N.C. My Advanta card I never used was closed, and I got the Citi letter as well. Chase cut the credit limit on one of my cards, but increased it on the Cash Plus MC I use all the time. I still get 0% offers, but they all have crappy 3% fees and no caps.
Thanks for posting that Colby- I haven't read about that anywhere else. I'm surprised that it hasn't generated more media attention.
For those who haven't clicked on the link- here's an excerpt:
An alliance of financial industry interests and consumer advocates on Wednesday asked federal regulators to allow lenders to reduce by as much as 40 percent the amount of credit card debt owed by deeply indebted consumers in a special program.
"This proposal would make it financially feasible for credit card lenders to provide immediate financial assistance to American consumers who are carrying record levels of debt," the two groups said in a release.
Nearly all the biggest credit card banks have agreed to a temporary pilot program in which lenders would forgive as much as 40 percent of the amount consumers owe, allowing them to pay back the remainder over time, they said. The amount of debt to be forgiven would be determined case by case, depending on the borrower's financial condition; those receiving close to the maximum forgiveness level would be nearing a personal bankruptcy filing.
Current government rules don't allow lenders to offer repayment plans that reduce the amount of principal owed and borrowers to repay the balance over a period of several years.
In other related news today- American Express announced a plan to cut 7,000 jobs, or about 10 percent of the company’s worldwide work force. The company said it will also suspend management pay raises and institute a hiring freeze for open positions.
Case by case basis. That could mean anything, everything or nothing. I hate these vague plans.
phillygeek
New Member
posted: Nov. 21, 2008 @ 1:11p
So I have a question about doing balance transfers up to the credit line. I have been using my credit cards to fund my startup business. I am concerned as I have seen some of my bank cards start reducing credit lines or increasing rates.
Say I have some personal credit cards that have a fixed rate balance transfer offer for the life, so I immediately take the offers from the various banks at the same time.
BANK Credit Line Amount of Transfer Citi $40,000 $35,000 Chase $30,000 $28,000 AMEX $40,000 $35,000
Say all of these have a fixed rate of 4.9%, now I know once this hits my credit report it's going to reduce my score Currently at 762.
My questions are
1. If my score is currently at 762 would there be any reason for them to refuse the Balance transfer in the first place? 2. If after I do the balance transfer other than missing a payment or bouncing a check can they go back and increase my balance transfer fixed rate? 3. I am really going to need this money, but is there something i'm not thinking of that I should be concerned about when doing this?
Any help, tips etc would be appreciated.
cardjuggler
Senior Member
posted: Nov. 22, 2008 @ 2:50a
phillygeek said: So I have a question about doing balance transfers up to the credit line.
If these are personal cards, it's best to stay under 90% so the $28K/$30K is a bit high and you could push $35K/$40K up a bit. Don't forget to include the 3% fee (capped or uncapped) if any. If Bus cards, can generally go much higher than 90%, e.g. leave $250-$1000 available. Again, don't forget about the fee. And monthly payments.
The BT are likely to go through, though not absolutely guaranteed. Possible exception: AMEX has cracked down recently; look around for the thread.
Depending on your appetite for risk, you could first do an AOR (App-O-Rama or application spree) and have more CCS ... though of course you eventually have to pay them back! The other side of risk: search for "Adverse Action", or just "AA" in various AOR threads.
thinwallet4d
Senior Member
posted: Nov. 22, 2008 @ 3:48a
GroveStreetOG said: prastogi said: CITI is closing my 2 old accounts that I havent used in a long while! uh oh
My wife and I got a letter like that, I called them up they said just use the card, charge $1.00 if you want to, so we charged $1.00 on each card and the deadline has passed and the cards are still open. So if you don't want them to close the card, just put a little activity on them.
I can confirm that. Got a letter from CITI that they would close a card. I simply used it and that took care of it. It is now a month after the deadline by which they said they would close the account.
I also got two love notes from chase that they would close 2 of my unused cards. Does anyone know if using these cards will keep them open as well? I guess I can also call to have the cards consolidated so they don't show as closed by creditor....
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