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dhn121 said:SUCKISSTAPLES said:have you called the lender #s mentioned in the quick summary? You need to do a lot of legwork, provide documents to the lender, perhaps have a credit counselor prepare an action plan and help you with a hardship letter, etc. Call your lender and they will tell you what is needed.

Does anyone know what "hardship" mean? My house is upsidedown. My ARM ended in NOV08 and my mortgage went up $300 a month. So what exactly is "hardship"? I'm not trying to work the system, (I just refi to a 30 year fixed) but I have not read anywhere what "hardship" means and wondered if anyone have actually seen it defined anywhere.

They just want a letter showing why you're having difficulties making your payment and why they should help you out by modifying your loan to a more favorable term.


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Does anyone know if you need to disclose untaxable income when working on Loan Mod?
ie: friend stays at your home and he pays you $x amount of rent or 2nd job at your friend's restaurant (tips and cash salary)?

Thks!


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[A general rule is that if you take your income, subtract all expenses (including your anticipated new loan payment), you should have no more than $300 left over. If you have more than that, they will say you can afford a higher payment. If you have less than even the basic expenses, you will be denied as not making enough regardless of modification.]

i asked for a loan mod on my primary but my numbers were negative. they said they couldnt give me one because i wouldnt be able to pay for it.

so if you look too rich, you cant get it; if youre too poor you cant get it also. and of course i cant refi. so the question is what is the right statistic (other than no more than $300 left over)?

on my failed refi they were saying my debt to income was almost 50%. also if you are 100% owner 1120S, do you have to submit that or is K1 sufficient?

i called (countrywide) again... they said since i have a 10 year IO fixed at 6.25% i cant ask for a loan mod because i tried once before. even if i can, that is a low rate and they cant modify it anymore. bottom line - they wont even allow me to ask unless i am delinquent. loan is not owned by FN/FM.

NOTE: they keep careful record of your calls and know exactly what youve requested in the past.

Message edited by: mshen11 on 2009-03-19 13:11:08 CDT
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Check w/your local state website for any forclosure help. As an example, Ohio has Savethedream.org (or .gov). They will direct you to a counseling agency that could help you figure out if you qualify. My understanding is that any of the banks who took TARP money HAVE to modify. Having said that, I'm told that the banks have not signed any agreements with the Fed yet. I've modified the two homes I own twice (husband lost job) and the lender won't a third time. I'm going through OHFA (Ohio Housing Finance Agency) because they supposedly have programs to help folks. They are working directly with my lender. I had to basically give them all information except my dress size. I'm talking a copy of the note, mortgage, a detailed budget, copies of utilities, bank statements, tax returns, etc. My lender is a credit union so I don't know if I have any chance or not. Program I'm requesting is this:

reduce principle on first mortgage enough to get it to 2% interest rate (floor) to bring my PITIA to 31% of Gross.
eliminate my second mortgage to help with back end DTI

I'm drawing down my retirement account presently. The counselor tells me she's been working on two accounts for over a year. Yikes! I don't have that kind of time.


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I called Wells Fargo today (updated the QS with the right phone number) and they are sending out information to me for a modification. I am not deliquent, and I told them I'm planning on refinancing with another company and was interested if they could offer a rate modification to keep me as a customer. She said they are extremely backed up, and the process may take about 90 days, but I should be able to get around a 5% rate. We'll know more after I sumbit some paperwork.


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I got in touch with the Countrywide Home Retention center and this time they said I would qualify for "something". What, I don't know. At first he said I don't make enough but after some number crunching he said to send in a hardship letter, paystubs, child support papers and 2 months of bank statements.

Right now I'm almost 4 months behind in the mortgage. He said to just save up money until they figure this out - and that could be another 90 days.

He was very nice but I still feel like a loser. I used to have a home daycare but everyone I worked for either was laid off or fired. Now I am a lunch lady so I don't have to pay someone to watch my own kids - I couldn't afford daycare either. Hopefully they can do something to get me through a few more years until I can work full time and let the kids stay home alone for a bit.


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Does anyone know if one of the requirements for the Home Affordability refinance option is that your loan cannot currently be a FIRST TIME HOME BUYER loan?

I called my bank today to ask about assistance with a refi. and they said that because the current loan was for a first time home buyer, I do not qualify for ANY 'Affordability' program assistance.

The problem is, I cannot find this requirement listed ANYWHERE in any documentation on the web.

My Situation:
5/1 ARM, resetting next year.
$95,000 loan, 100% LTV (0% down), owe 91k, home value somewhere between 90-100k. Looking to get into a 30 or 15 year fixed, but don't have 20k in cash for a down payment. Not currently experiencing any hardship paying my mortgage. Perfect re-payment history.


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jtronique said:Ajohnamous said:
"HOPE for Homeowners also includes the following provisions:
percent.

    • The borrower must agree to share with FHA both the equity created at the beginning of this new mortgage and any future appreciation in the value of the home."


    For the first 5 years, it seems.

    FHA.gov's HOPE page
    Click on "Equity and appreciation sharing with the Federal government,", it opens as a notepad, and explains the breakdown.

    Basically, after 5 years, you split the equity 50/50.

    But

    If the HOPE program reduced one's payments so much that they caught up, and actually paid off their home, and the loan was discharged, split naught!


    Ok so are you saying if I pay it off in 5 years I don't have to split the equity or just If I pay it off I don't have to split it? I'm confused and would just like a lower fracken interest rate than the 7.125 I have now... but I don't want to split the equity in my home in 5 years... as I will be doing major improvements over that time taking my home from the between 55 and 75 it is worth now to closer to the 160 range the neighbors house just sold for... I'm curious if I pay off this loan do I still have to share the equity? (wish I had enough in it right now to just refi!)


    Thanks,
    JC


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Just an update - I am now dealing with Bank of America as the bought Countrywide. I sent in the info they wanted (paycheck stubs, tax return, hardship letter).

I received a letter back from them saying I was approved. I have to make three consecutive payments, none of which can even be 1 second late, and then they will send me a new note/mortgage to sign. The interest rate is being lowered from 6.25% to 2% and past due payments are being added back to the loan. This will lower my payments about $450. Once the back real estate taxes are paid off the amount needed for escrow will most likely go down (unless taxes are way up) and the payment may go down slightly.

I hope others who need it are having good luck too.


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wow, can you give more detail?

Did you got laid off? Did they take into consideration your assets?


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I posted my situation earlier, but I used to run a home daycare and earned about $600/week plus child support. Everyone I worked for was laid off or fired or hours drastically cut so they couldn't afford even after school care. So now I work as a cashier in the high school cafeteria. I also babysit one kid after school every day. I'm single so I have issues paying for after school and vacation care for my own two kids (it would run about $550/week in the summer).

I owe about $130K on the house and could sell it today for about $200K so there is equity. Other than the house I have no assets. Like I said, I sent them proof of income and child support and they said this is what I qualify for. Without this I would be losing the house - and rent for a 2 bedroom apartment would be the same as my mortgage at the 6.25% rate.

Message edited by: MadSeason on 2009-06-25 06:37:45 CDT
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I saw this over on piggington: http://effectivedemand.blogspot.com/2009/06/california-loan-modifications-update.html

Looks like principal reductions aren't happening.

MadSeason:"I received a letter back from them saying I was approved. I have to make three consecutive payments, none of which can even be 1 second late, and then they will send me a new note/mortgage to sign. The interest rate is being lowered from 6.25% to 2% and past due payments are being added back to the loan."

I'd read the mod carefully, It kind of sounds like the step up mods that start @ 2% and slowly increase to market rate where they are fixed at that rate for the rest of the loan. I believe they also amortize the term over 40 years (increased by 10).

"I owe about $130K on the house and could sell it today for about $200 so there is equity."

Wow. It's amazing they are giving you a mod and you have that much equity.


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MadSeasons, does it change to 2% for the life of the loan, or does it go up every few years to a final rate? If so please list the rate changes...


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SUCKISSTAPLES said:MadSeasons, does it change to 2% for the life of the loan, or does it go up every few years to a final rate? If so please list the rate changes...


it changes to 2% for FIVE YEARS and then subsequent years it goes up by 1% per year until it hits today's rates (~5.5% or 6% depending on your lender want to gouge you)

Message edited by: mshen11 on 2009-06-25 09:28:59 CDT
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I've been following this thread for a while with hopes that it would have some good info...boy have I been disappointed. I came across a robust forum that discusses the topic though:

loansafe.org

The forums are packed with success stories on mods & refis. Sounds like things are starting to move along. I'm currently going through the process of applying for a mod (lost my job) and have found some useful info there.

Hope it helps.


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I received some fantastic news last Thursday, July 9th from a UPS package - my trial loan modification documents had arrived from Wells Fargo! Hopefully others are receiving much needed relief as well. Here are some specifics of my situation:

Refi'd with WF back in April of 2008. Loan is current and I've never missed a payment.

I did everything on my own - no help from "seasoned" brokers/lawyers charging the typical 3k fee b/c they "can work with the banks" better than the average Joe.

I simply called up the Loss Mitigation department at WF, explained my situation briefly and asked what information they required to begin the modification process. They were surprisingly quick, to the point and helpful. They asked for: 2008 W2, 2 most recent paystubs, a financial analysis worksheet (excel doc I created myself) and a hardship letter (which I made specific to my situation, obviously). Gave me the fax #.

I sent the info in the following day (this was late May I believe) and followed up with a phone call in a few business days to make sure they received all documents. I was prepared to send certified mail as well. About 1.5-2 weeks later they called ME saying they had received all info and were processing my request. I was stunned, to be honest. I figured any status updates would be like pulling teeth. Not the case.

Noticed they ran a credit check on 6/23. (Thanks TrueCredit

No contact between the initial call from WF and when the package arrived. I would say the whole process took... 5-6 weeks?

My front-end DTI was 39% prior to modification and will be smidgen below 31% post-mod. Now, I don't have the -exact- modification documents yet as I have to make 3 trial payments first, however, I did some rough math and I believe the only term changing will be the interest rate. I'm currently @ 5.625 30YRF. Post-mod the rate will be approximately 2.625%. Should retain the 30Y amortization.

If you have any questions, I'll answer as best I can.


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mshen11 said:SUCKISSTAPLES said:MadSeasons, does it change to 2% for the life of the loan, or does it go up every few years to a final rate? If so please list the rate changes...


it changes to 2% for FIVE YEARS and then subsequent years it goes up by 1% per year until it hits today's rates (~5.5% or 6% depending on your lender want to gouge you)

The "interest rate cap" is actually the -lesser- of a) the rate on the date the modification is approved or b) your rate prior to modification.

And 2% is the -floor- modification rate to get someone to 31% front-end DTI, not a guarantee. My rate, for example, should be about 2.625% for 5 years. Then 3.625 for a year, 4.625 the next and finally 5.625 (my rate pre-mod) OR lower depending on what the 30YRF rate is when my docs are approved. I could end up with 5.25 for the duration of the loan, depending on upcoming market conditions.

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