Battleshipnote said:kamalktk said:Battleshipnote said:
Moving on to the 2009 models

2009 Toyota Corolla 4-door Sedan 2.4 AUTO 22/30/25 XRS
Performance
Base Number of Cylinders: 4 Base Engine Size: 2.4 liters
Base Engine Type: Inline 4 Horsepower: 158 HP
Max Horsepower: 6000 rpm Torque: 162 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 4000 rpm Maximum Towing Capacity: 1500 lbs.
Drive Type: FWD Turning Circle: 36.3 ft.

2009 Chevy Cobalt 4-door Sedan 2.2 AUTO 24/33/27 LTPerformance
Base Number of Cylinders: 4 Base Engine Size: 2.2 liters
Base Engine Type: Inline 4 Horsepower: 155 HP
Max Horsepower: 6100 rpm Torque: 150 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 4900 rpm Maximum Towing Capacity: 1000 lbs.
Drive Type: FWD Turning Circle: 33.5 ft.


What car you prefer is is irrelevant to a discussion about mpg.
As is cherry picking models. You may as well compare mileage of some ricer Corolla from a SEMA show. The 2.4 Corolla is not the normal model.

Two can play the cherry picking models game... estimated 25 mpg 2 door Cobalt link, and we all know real world mileage tends to be worse than estimates.

Here is the specs for the Toyota 1.8L motor. As you can see the HP and Torque is considerably less. I am trying to compare apples to apples, you guys want to compare apples to the smaller 1.8L orange.

Performance
Base Number of Cylinders: 4 Base Engine Size: 1.8 liters
Base Engine Type: Inline 4 Horsepower: 132 HP
Max Horsepower: 6000 rpm Torque: 128 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 4400 rpm Maximum Towing Capacity: 1500 lbs.
Drive Type: FWD Turning Circle: 35.6 ft.

Chevy has the SS model that blows away Toyota on engine specs and is not a true comparison.
Base Number of Cylinders: 4 Base Engine Size: 2 liters
Base Engine Type: Inline 4 Horsepower: 260 HP
Max Horsepower: 5300 rpm Torque: 260 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 2000 rpm Drive Type: FWD
22 mpg / 30 mpg / 25 mpg

2009 Toyota Corolla and Chevy Cobalt configured comparatively (HP, Torque, size)

Chevy Cobalt 25 mpg / 37 mpg / 30 mpg

Toyota Corolla 22 mpg / 30 mpg / 25 mpg

Sorry, its true, Toyota does not have a 10% edge on fuel economy.
Once again you're making a false comparison. You're even-ing out the HP but forgot about weight. Chevy, Corolla. You can't compare models with the same horsepower. The Chevy needs extra HP to toss around an extra 300+ pounds, which is why the Corolla only needs a 1.8 by default and you trying to compare similar horsepower is disingenuous. These folks know it's not all about HP, it's about HP to weight.

Battleshipnote said:kamalktk said:
Once again you're making a false comparison. You're even-ing out the HP but forgot about weight. Chevy, Corolla. You can't compare models with the same horsepower. The Chevy needs extra HP to toss around an extra 300+ pounds, which is why the Corolla only needs a 1.8 by default and you trying to compare similar horsepower is disingenuous. These folks know it's not all about HP, it's about HP to weight.

Then I would expect better mpg out of a car that weighs less and is the same size.

Chevy doesnt make a 1.8L or I would be happy to compare apples to apples with that engine. Best we can do is the 2.2 vs 2.4.
Before the edit, this post used to say:
"Then I would expect better mpg out of a car that weighs less and is the same size. Toyota does the 0-60 in 4.4, Chevy in 5.1"

I guess Battleshipnote realized that wasn't helping his case and deleted it? I'm not even sure where you got those numbers.

Chevy doesnt make a 1.8L or I would be happy to compare apples to apples with that engine. Best we can do is the 2.2 vs 2.4.
You continue to miss the point that most Corolla buyers don't care about minimizing the time it takes to get from 0-60. According to Edmunds: "Most buyers will be content with the base 1.8-liter engine, which delivers respectable acceleration in normal traffic situations...Since fuel economy is another big reason people buy Toyota Corollas, most versions of this sedan continue to use an efficient 1.8-liter four-cylinder." Most compact car buyers aren't going to care about the smaller engine on the Corolla [especially since the Corolla weighs less and doesn't need a big engine to get the job done]. This would also explain why the 1.8L LE is the most popular Corolla model.

As for your more recent response to my posts, the fact remains that the base 4 door automatic Corolla (the most popular Corolla) gets 11% more mpg than the base 4 door automatic Cobalt. I haven't forgotten how this debate started. I said: "The Toyota Corolla has over 10% higher mpg than the Chevy Cobalt. (Note: I only compared 4 cylinder automatics)"
which is accurate.

It also happens to be the case that the Corolla is far more dependable than the Cobalt, which is yet another reason (and for many, a more important reason) to pick the Corolla.

The big 3's problem is that they couldn't make good product. Giving the big 3 $25 billions won't fix that problem, and they will be asking for more money again next year.