Our government says they can't do anything about 12 million illegals in the country - far too difficult to find and deport 12M people apparently - so what would happen if 12M of us hardworking taxpayers dug our heels in and refused to have our taxes taken to be handed to failed corporations?
I *think* I'm joking, although this country *was* founded through disobedience.
What about 25,000,000 taxpayer protest? Where's the tipping point?
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That I would be rich if I get a penny for every protest thread in FWF? Maybe FWF should change the name to its mission statemetn?
We just had an election, which I hope most of you did participate in and no red coat will shot you for for excerising that right. I mean, what else you want? Give everyone a gun and settle it the old fashion way? Move to a "better" country (ya, not like we have a global recession).
I know my tipping point with rant threads is getting close...
Interesting game theory puzzle. For this to work, everyone has to count on everyone else to protest. If not a critical mass does this, those people that do face prison time or some other penalty. So the question then is do you do it or do you not?
ganda said:What about 25,000,000 taxpayer protest? Where's the tipping point?The tipping point I believe is way below 25 million people. Maybe 5 million will do it.
Technically it is hard to do because the taxes are withheld in each paycheck.
I'm reading that 'troubled' home borrowers get to pay 3% interest rate for three years. With very few exceptions, the troubled home borrowers are idiots who got what they deserve and should be living in a cardboard box for the excesses they brought upon themselves. That said, I understand how it draws down the property value of their more conscientious neighbors when these bums are on the street.
So all I would like is to pay the same rate as them. I mean, if idiots are going to get rewarded, let's at least not have the rest of us now pay an even more unfair burden for them.
-a 'troubled' home borrower (troubled at idiots getting PAID!)
lostdude said:That I would be rich if I get a penny for every protest thread in FWF? Maybe FWF should change the name to its mission statemetn?What's even better is that usually these "protests" involve a net profit for the "protester".
If enough people did this, it would dramatically increase enforcement costs for the IRS and lead to more government borrowing (at least in the short term) to fill the revenue gap. Obviously criminal penalties on this scale are not possible, but the civil penalties handed out to the "protesters" would help subsidize lower taxes for the rest of us.
There was an article during the (I think) 2000 year election cycle about a plan hatched by libertarians to move 20,000 libertarian-voting families to new hampshire, as this would give them enough voting power to get at least one senator (I'm typing all this from memory, some of the details may be off).
Of course, they quickly ran into the obvious problem that it's nearly impossible to get 20,000 libertarians to do anything, and the plan was abandoned.
Our government says they can't do anything about 12 million illegals in the country - far too difficult to find and deport 12M people apparently - so what would happen if 12M of us hardworking taxpayers dug our heels in and refused to have our taxes taken to be handed to failed corporations?
I *think* I'm joking, although this country *was* founded through disobedience.
What about 25,000,000 taxpayer protest? Where's the tipping point?
You could just leave the country, if you want it to fail. If enough people don't pay taxes, the country will probably fall apart quickly.
Our government says they can't do anything about 12 million illegals in the country - far too difficult to find and deport 12M people apparently - so what would happen if 12M of us hardworking taxpayers dug our heels in and refused to have our taxes taken to be handed to failed corporations?
I *think* I'm joking, although this country *was* founded through disobedience.
What about 25,000,000 taxpayer protest? Where's the tipping point?
You could just leave the country, if you want it to fail. If enough people don't pay taxes, the country will probably fall apart quickly.
a. I don't want the country to fail b. The USA taxes on citizenship not residency (so they'll get ya anyway).
Actually techie, I remember seeing that said project is still alive and their goals are long term (like 20 years)... Pretty smart idea, with the intent of influencing presidential primaries, having disproportionate influence.
Also, GREEN. Why is this so far-fetched? Income tax is at the core of the problems with Washington. We pay tribute, under duress, to a distant Rome that divvies it as they see fit (usually to corporate lobbyists, as we've seen).
This isn't about personal gain either. I would be 100% for paying the same amount of income tax to my state government. It's about centralization of power, citizens and localities having little say in the dealings of evidently corrupt Washington.
EDIT: The country didn't "fail" before it had income tax. There are several state governments that do very well without income tax... It's obviously not impossible, but we would have to change our perception of government (as Ron Paul said).
jayK said:lostdude said:That I would be rich if I get a penny for every protest thread in FWF? Maybe FWF should change the name to its mission statemetn?What's even better is that usually these "protests" involve a net profit for the "protester".
If enough people did this, it would dramatically increase enforcement costs for the IRS and lead to more government borrowing (at least in the short term) to fill the revenue gap. Obviously criminal penalties on this scale are not possible, but the civil penalties handed out to the "protesters" would help subsidize lower taxes for the rest of us.I think if enough people did this, the entire tax code will be re-written. I am not saying the government doens't need to collect taxes. But the current code is just too complex and too narrowly focused on collecting money from wage earners. A simpler code, whether it being a somewhar flat tax, or a simplifed income tax such as the 1986 code, will save the economy a big amount of waste.
svap said:riznick said:...b. The USA taxes on citizenship not residency (so they'll get ya anyway).
USA taxes on residency. You don't need to be citizen to get SS# with authorization to work.
True, but I meant the other way. Go live in Spain and the IRS will still get you (less what you paid in Spain). Go live in Monaco (and pay no income taxes) and the IRS will want its FULL slice.
Our government says they can't do anything about 12 million illegals in the country - far too difficult to find and deport 12M people apparently - so what would happen if 12M of us hardworking taxpayers dug our heels in and refused to have our taxes taken to be handed to failed corporations?
I *think* I'm joking, although this country *was* founded through disobedience.
What about 25,000,000 taxpayer protest? Where's the tipping point?
I like your ideas. However, the government would find enough money to build the prisons to put us in and then then my job will be one of those "job that an american won't work." Can we start a thread listing the jobs Americans won't work? Lineman
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