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I recently pushed some large sums out of an in-branch longstanding Chase checking account, and was hit with $3 fees for each one. Naturally, I want to avoid that in the future, but i suspect that other (local) banks will either a) not have external account transfer service, or b) charge similar fees if they do.

SOOO, i'd like to poll yall on your experience pushing and pulling money from online accounts. specifically, pulling from a local bank, then pushing to another linked account (ie. HYS). have you incurred any fees in doing this? have the delays been untoward (eg. more than 3-4 days)...i have CapOne Online Savings and E*trade complete savings, so those are the two i am most curious about.

the alternative is to send a check from the brick-and-mortar bank to the HYS, but i have reservations about that, and the hold times are huge (11 days)...although i suspect in some cases, the issuing bank wont deduct the amount until it clears (not that it matters, because local banks often pay little interest)...but more importantly, the receiving bank might not apply any interest to the held funds.

thoughts? contributions?



I find Etrade to be the best 'hub'. Deposits post the same day, even though the money isnt wothdrawn from the source account until the following day, and there is only a 3-day hold before it can be withdrawn. If you start the transfer on a Friday, you can move money from one bank to another via Etrade in 7 days (the money will be in the destination account the following friday), but earn interest on that money for 9 days during that time.


I use citibank.

The problem is that it can push only up to $2000 a day.


I use Fidelity, GMAC, and CapOne -- no fees on any of them (I would NEVER pay ACH fees, ugh).

All have fairly high limits: IIRC, Fidelity $100K, CapOne $200K, GMAC $250K. All have been dependable once the links have been verified, although CapOne is slowest of the three. I use Fidelity for my hub.

If I want money in or out of another account (local B&M branch, e.g.), I just push/pull from one of these.


Glitch99 said: I find Etrade to be the best 'hub'. Deposits post the same day, even though the money isnt wothdrawn from the source account until the following day, and there is only a 3-day hold before it can be withdrawn. If you start the transfer on a Friday, you can move money from one bank to another via Etrade in 7 days (the money will be in the destination account the following friday), but earn interest on that money for 9 days during that time.
good info, thanks. interesting that it posts so quickly...what is the daily cut off?


GMAC here. Really quick push/pull.


This is a great topic. I've been trying to find a good hub with quick transfer and good rate in past few days.

dollarSavingsDirect.com has good rate, but it requires mail-in of the check for verification.
Countrywide is not fast although adding bank accounts is relatively easy.
I just tried FNBO direct. Adding external bank accounts is easy. But not sure how fast the transfer is. The rate is good though.
Fidelity is good, but the rate of smartCash account is very low.

I'd love to hear more experience from others.


Before using E-Trade (especially as a hub) you may want to consider what happened to me:

http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/finance/910435/

Just a risk you may not want to take (?).


Glitch99 said: I find Etrade to be the best 'hub'. Deposits post the same day, even though the money isnt wothdrawn from the source account until the following day, and there is only a 3-day hold before it can be withdrawn. If you start the transfer on a Friday, you can move money from one bank to another via Etrade in 7 days (the money will be in the destination account the following friday), but earn interest on that money for 9 days during that time.yeah I used to use etard for transfers until they screwed me over, holding my money hostage for a bogus "security" freeze. Now, I've been using checks for extra float on large transfers - most of my HYS accounts are linked to an interest-bearing checking account so I can mail a check to the destination bank (preferably with a prepaid envelope) and transfer the funds into the applicable checking account at the origin bank as soon as the deposit posts (which is typically 1-3 days before the check will clear; for new accounts I do the transfer when I expect they'll receive the check to prevent an NSF and I've never had any problems doing this).


has any evidence surfaced that other online banks are similarly sensitive to big ACHs? you'd think if somebody would encounter this, it'd be a FWFer.


solarUS said: has any evidence surfaced that other online banks are similarly sensitive to big ACHs? you'd think if somebody would encounter this, it'd be a FWFer.e*trade pulled their shenanigan on me for a $2k transfer, so I would say it has more to do with the total transfered per month/quarter than the amount of one ACH transaction. That being said, I've done numerous $25k-$75k ACH transfers with EverBank, OnBank, CNBBankDirect, HSBC, Alliant, WaMu, etc. and the only one I ever had a "problem" with was HSBC, but that was a legitimate concern that was professionally handled and quickly resolved. They flagged a transfer to a new bank account that I setup while on vacation several thousand miles from home, promptly locked online access to my account and called and e-mailed me to notify and discuss the situation; as soon as I told them the transaction was legitimate the lock was immediately released and I had no further problem.


jolapo said:
I just tried FNBO direct. Adding external bank accounts is easy. But not sure how fast the transfer is. The rate is good though.

FNBO's transfers are glacially slow. 4-5 business days for a pull - I haven't tried pushing from FNBO.


A vote for fidelity from me. Seemingly unlimited account links. Speed is acceptable. And you might find they're great for other things as well - like checking (unlimited ATM fee refunds) and brokerage.


solarUS said: Glitch99 said: I find Etrade to be the best 'hub'. Deposits post the same day, even though the money isnt wothdrawn from the source account until the following day, and there is only a 3-day hold before it can be withdrawn. If you start the transfer on a Friday, you can move money from one bank to another via Etrade in 7 days (the money will be in the destination account the following friday), but earn interest on that money for 9 days during that time.
good info, thanks. interesting that it posts so quickly...what is the daily cut off?
4pm, I think?


How many external accounts can you have for Schwab Brokerage accounts? I just signed up for their cc, checking, and brokerage...


countrywide bank and citibank has next day xfer . federal regulation limit max 6 transfer per month though


I use GMAC for this and have always had a great experience.


Another vote for E*Trade here. I usually try to make large pulls into E*Trade on Fridays so I earn interest all weekend at both E*Trade and the source bank.


fido smartcash, checking, push and pull.


malasv said: countrywide bank and citibank has next day xfer . federal regulation limit max 6 transfer per month though
The good thing about Countrywide SavingsLink is that you set the transfer one day and the next day it appears in both CWB and the target. The bad thing is that if you're pulling into CWB you have to let the money sit for 5 Business Days (essentially a week) before you can move it out.


torchedlh said: How many external accounts can you have for Schwab Brokerage accounts?

I got Schwab brokerage and checking when I got their Visa 2% ca$hback card, but quickly decided not to use them to originate ACH trfs. You have to fill out and mail in forms, and you have to call them each time you do a trf in/out of checking. Sounded very cumbersome to me.


Dman081 said: A vote for fidelity from me. Seemingly unlimited account links. Speed is acceptable. And you might find they're great for other things as well - like checking (unlimited ATM fee refunds) and brokerage.

I got a call when I had 10+ links, but they just wanted to make sure all was well. Rep also offered to answer any questions I had about their service. Very nice overall.


szhang6 said: I use citibank.

The problem is that it can push only up to $2000 a day.

Does anyone know what the monthly ACH limit is with Citi?


UncaMikey said: I use Fidelity, GMAC, and CapOne -- no fees on any of them (I would NEVER pay ACH fees, ugh).

All have fairly high limits: IIRC, Fidelity $100K, CapOne $200K, GMAC $250K. All have been dependable once the links have been verified, although CapOne is slowest of the three. I use Fidelity for my hub.

If I want money in or out of another account (local B&M branch, e.g.), I just push/pull from one of these.

These limits mentioned above are they monthly or per transaction?

Also for monthly limits is that inclusive of whether the money is being pushed OUT or pulled IN? (Hope this question made sense, if not I can clarify further).

OP good thread!


UncaMikey said: torchedlh said: How many external accounts can you have for Schwab Brokerage accounts?

I got Schwab brokerage and checking when I got their Visa 2% ca$hback card, but quickly decided not to use them to originate ACH trfs. You have to fill out and mail in forms, and you have to call them each time you do a trf in/out of checking. Sounded very cumbersome to me.
You do not need to fill out nor mail in forms for brokerage ACH links; you just need to call them once to confirm each link after the trial deposits are sent. The checking ACH links, OTOH, are more cumbersome.


I use E*Trade and Fidelity. I like using E*Trade as others have said, because of the double weekend interest on pulls. Fidelity is fast too, but the interest that Fidelity products are paying now are very low, and Fidelity limits you to one external push per day per account.


USAA has very fast ACH pushes and pulls. IME, they credit your destination account the next day (and sometimes don't debit the source account for several days) however they place a hold on funds pulled into the account.


mttatknsYou said: do not need to fill out nor mail in forms for brokerage ACH links; you just need to call them once to confirm each link after the trial deposits are sent. The checking ACH links, OTOH, are more cumbersome.

Can you elaborate a little bit? thanks


citifan said: USAA has very fast ACH pushes and pulls. IME, they credit your destination account the next day (and sometimes don't debit the source account for several days) however they place a hold on funds pulled into the account.

But they have a 5k daily limit . Anyway to get it waived?


Glitch99 said: I find Etrade to be the best 'hub'. Deposits post the same day, even though the money isnt wothdrawn from the source account until the following day, and there is only a 3-day hold before it can be withdrawn. If you start the transfer on a Friday, you can move money from one bank to another via Etrade in 7 days (the money will be in the destination account the following friday), but earn interest on that money for 9 days during that time.

For my E*Trade bank accnt there's a $1k minimum or else I get hit with a $10/mo fee


torchedlh said: mttatknsYou said: do not need to fill out nor mail in forms for brokerage ACH links; you just need to call them once to confirm each link after the trial deposits are sent. The checking ACH links, OTOH, are more cumbersome.

Can you elaborate a little bit? thanks
Schwab's checking ACH links require the paperwork UncaMikey was referring to; you can learn more here


I see. So you don't need to mail in forms for the brokerage linking, only checking....But isn't the transfer between the checking/brokerage almost instant? I would think it would be easy to transfer through the brokerage each time. No?


torchedlh said: I see. So you don't need to mail in forms for the brokerage linking, only checking....But isn't the transfer between the checking/brokerage almost instant? I would think it would be easy to transfer through the brokerage each time. No?Yes, you can use brokerage for external transfers and then move the funds to checking.. though there will be a 3-day hold during which you're not earning interest for incoming transfers.


mttatkns said: torchedlh said: I see. So you don't need to mail in forms for the brokerage linking, only checking....But isn't the transfer between the checking/brokerage almost instant? I would think it would be easy to transfer through the brokerage each time. No?Yes, you can use brokerage for external transfers and then move the funds to checking.. though there will be a 3-day hold during which you're not earning interest for incoming transfers.

Well at 1%, I don't think I'll be missing much. I think I'll try it out. Thanks for the help!


I used GMAC as well... so far their ACH has been reliable. Try not to use small banks / credit unions because those ACHs tend to raise flag on their end.


I use Ameritrade for free and quick ACHs (a limit of 5 linked external ACH accounts) but the amounts I move are tiny (for satisfying monthly direct deposit requirements at checking accounts and such) and not in the realms of what you fellers ["fellers" in the spirit of OP's "y'all" ] are probably moving, so I couldn't comment on upper limits.


NantucketSunrise said: not in the realms of what you fellers ["fellers" in the spirit of OP's "y'all" ] are probably moving, so I couldn't comment on upper limits.
hey now...i used no apostrophe! 'yall' is one word, like 'shonuf' or 'fiddinta'.

still curious if these etrade mishaps were isolated incidents, or if there is a real reason to be concerned. it'd be nice to apply some old-fashioned FWF algorithm-breaking, ie. >3 transfers of >1k in <30 days, for example...if anyone would contribute, we'd be much obliged!


WAMU still has free outgoing transfers (takes 2 days), will continue to do so after Chase takeover is complete according to local branch mgr.


solarUS said: NantucketSunrise said: not in the realms of what you fellers ["fellers" in the spirit of OP's "y'all" ] are probably moving, so I couldn't comment on upper limits.
hey now...i used no apostrophe! 'yall' is one word, like 'shonuf' or 'fiddinta'.

still curious if these etrade mishaps were isolated incidents, or if there is a real reason to be concerned. it'd be nice to apply some old-fashioned FWF algorithm-breaking, ie. >3 transfers of >1k in <30 days, for example...if anyone would contribute, we'd be much obliged!
Interesting you picked those numbers. Looking back at my account records, I had exactly 3 outgoing transfers of >1k in the 29 days preceding my account freeze. The first two were barely over $1k (both under $1.5k), the third was larger (>$70k), and the trigger transfer was just over $2k.


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I have an account with PBI (formerly Ascencia) Bank. They have allow unlimited push/pull ($25 min for the amount either way...no fee) and they're pretty okay in my opinion.




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