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leedsutd67
- Senior Member
posted: Jul. 12, 2009 @ 8:15a
schwab now beats Vanguard for lowest fees and it's only $100 to open a mutual fund |
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larrymoencurly
- Senior Member - 10K
posted: Jul. 12, 2009 @ 10:16a
sheff said:MyDiscoverSucks said:Fidelity has a 4-in-1 fund that invests in four different index funds. It's cheap.Which fund is this? FFIDX? That's the lowest cost 'index fund' I could find on Fidelity. FFNOX. Expense ratio is 0.20%: http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=MUTF:FFNOX |
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kantscholar
- Senior Member
posted: Jul. 12, 2009 @ 10:50a
I'd avoid any of the "Target Retirement" funds. There are lots of articles out there showing why these are a bad idea. If you want stock and bonds (that's all they are), put your money into the Vanguard Total Bond Index fund and the Vanguard Total Stock Market fund (this mirrors the Wilshire 4000 index). The advantage of holding an ETF instead of a mutual fund is that you can sell covered calls against an ETF like the SPY (even in a retirement account). For example, you can go out to September and sell 96 strike calls (75% chance of being out of the money) and pick up about 1.25% in premium. If the S&P 500 goes up 15% between now and September, you'll be forced to sell your shares but you'll have picked up 16.25% in 2 months. Once September passes, repeat for December; then repeat for March; etc. You should be able to pick up roughly 2% each time (we're just 2 months away from September expiration instead of 3 now). That's an extra 8%, compounded due to reinvestment, return each year, on top of the underlying index movement (which would be up or down). Having this option is the advantage of having ETFs. Currently, Vanguard has outrageous fees associated with options trading, so go with TD Ameritrade or some other discount broker if you want to do this. |
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gifpaste
- Dismembered Member
posted: Jul. 12, 2009 @ 10:51a
leedsutd67 said:schwab now beats Vanguard for lowest fees and it's only $100 to open a mutual fund
I second the Schwab beats Vanguard
http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/finance/922659/
robobert said:A quick comparison of total stock market index fund minimums and expense ratios (sorted by their minimums):
- $100 Min, 0.09% ER - SWTIX - Schwab Total Market Index
- $3,000 Min, 0.15% ER - VTSMX - Vanguard Total Stock Market Index (Investor)
- $10,000 Min, 0.10% ER - FSTMX - Fidelity Spartan Total Market Index
- $100,000 Min, 0.07% ER - VTSAX - Vanguard Total Stock Market (Admiral)
- $100,000 Min, 0.07% ER - FSTVX - Fidelity Spartan Total Market Index (Advantage)
I don't know if I expect this to last forever, but this is a great deal for people who are just starting out. With Vanguard, if you want just a simple three fund balanced portfolio (US Stock/Int Stock/Bonds), you'd need to either hope they have one with the exact ratios you want, or you need $12,000 to start. With Schwab, you'd just need $300. Unless you have $100,000 to put in that is. But if you are 25 starting with a roth then likely you do not have $100,000 and I'd go with Schwab. Lot of good info in that thread I linked above
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