blok said: Heres a deal for you guys, bought this mobile home for $1600 put about $1400 into it (carpet and some painting) and just sold it for $6000, not bad for a couple days work and a small investment.awesome, did you seller finance for the buyer?
SUCKISSTAPLES said: blok said: Heres a deal for you guys, bought this mobile home for $1600 put about $1400 into it (carpet and some painting) and just sold it for $6000, not bad for a couple days work and a small investment.awesome, did you seller finance for the buyer?
Completely forgot to mention that, he put 3k down and i am carrying a 2 year note for the remaining 3k at 12%
This was my first mobile home deal I think I am going to start doing them more often, I would like to eventually buy a whole park, they are total cash cows and most of time you can get owner financing.
rzyzzy
Senior Member
posted: May. 12, 2009 @ 10:57p
blok said: SUCKISSTAPLES said: blok said: Heres a deal for you guys, bought this mobile home for $1600 put about $1400 into it (carpet and some painting) and just sold it for $6000, not bad for a couple days work and a small investment.awesome, did you seller finance for the buyer?
Completely forgot to mention that, he put 3k down and i am carrying a 2 year note for the remaining 3k at 12%
This was my first mobile home deal I think I am going to start doing them more often, I would like to eventually buy a whole park, they are total cash cows and most of time you can get owner financing.
Capitalism in it's most pure form. One trailer at a time!
Sweet deal!
shoppergal88
New Member
posted: May. 12, 2009 @ 11:14p
where is this house of yours...i think it's beautiful...i've been looking for one for me and my three kids.....
shoppergal88
New Member
posted: May. 12, 2009 @ 11:14p
where is this house of yours...i think it's beautiful...i've been looking for one for me and my three kids.....
shoppergal88
New Member
posted: May. 12, 2009 @ 11:18p
hey...homeonerton...where is your house at? i'm pretty interested in it...and would like some more information about it...so could you email me more info on it @ maisong_tristy@hotmail.com....thank you....and the proce your selling for...
shoppergal88 said: hey...homeonerton...where is your house at? i'm pretty interested in it...and would like some more information about it...so could you email me more info on it @ maisong_tristy@hotmail.com....thank you....and the proce your selling for... Shoppergal, according to his posts, he already said where its located and that he is not selling:
Homeownerton said: Thanks, its in a golf-course community in the town of Eureka MO, which is on the outside of the St Louis metropolitan area.
Homeownerton said:
The back is vinyl but the front is brick, the yard I can't help you with. Its not for sale
Homeownerton
New Member
posted: May. 13, 2009 @ 7:34a
SIS got it.
It doesn't make sense for me to sell so soon after I bought it especially in this market. I locked in a low 30 yr mortgage and plan to live in the house long term. If in 10 yrs my neighbors are able to sell for what they paid in 2005-2006 + a little inflation, then I'd consider it but I have a feeling it will be a long wait (if ever) for housing values to recover in my neck of the woods. I doubt you are near the house anyway, it seems that this board has a disproportionate number of Californians and Texans.
It doesn't make sense for me to sell so soon after I bought it especially in this market. I locked in a low 30 yr mortgage and plan to live in the house long term. If in 10 yrs my neighbors are able to sell for what they paid in 2005-2006 + a little inflation, then I'd consider it but I have a feeling it will be a long wait (if ever) for housing values to recover in my neck of the woods. I doubt you are near the house anyway, it seems that this board has a disproportionate number of Californians and Texans.
So it seems. I feel like an outcast, which is weird for someone living in Atlanta.
holla
Senior Member - 1K
posted: May. 13, 2009 @ 10:55a
pthor1231 said: Homeownerton said: SIS got it.
It doesn't make sense for me to sell so soon after I bought it especially in this market. I locked in a low 30 yr mortgage and plan to live in the house long term. If in 10 yrs my neighbors are able to sell for what they paid in 2005-2006 + a little inflation, then I'd consider it but I have a feeling it will be a long wait (if ever) for housing values to recover in my neck of the woods. I doubt you are near the house anyway, it seems that this board has a disproportionate number of Californians and Texans.
So it seems. I feel like an outcast, which is weird for someone living in Atlanta.
If you felt like an Outkast, then it wouldn't be as weird.
newyork4me
Senior Member
posted: May. 13, 2009 @ 11:41a
Homeownerton said: SIS got it.
It doesn't make sense for me to sell so soon after I bought it especially in this market. I locked in a low 30 yr mortgage and plan to live in the house long term. If in 10 yrs my neighbors are able to sell for what they paid in 2005-2006 + a little inflation, then I'd consider it but I have a feeling it will be a long wait (if ever) for housing values to recover in my neck of the woods. I doubt you are near the house anyway, it seems that this board has a disproportionate number of Californians and Texans.
I'm nearby! I'm from West County (not looking to buy a house though).
Gregorlando
New Member
posted: May. 13, 2009 @ 10:19p
I want to do that but thing is only the pic isn't a great matter right now cause at this recession period everyone has the money constraints so price will be a matter noe.
rzyzzy
Senior Member
posted: Jun. 1, 2009 @ 11:32p
The wife and I closed on this one today.
It's in a good neighborhood in Phoenix, 3 bed, 2 bath, 1600 sf - Deed restricted, but no HOA. - Bubblicious price was $305k two years ago, most recent comp was a month ago at 173k with no concessions, we got it for 170k with 4k in concessions. Ours has a larger lot than the comps - so it made for a better deal than the numbers might suggest. This isn't a flip or a rental, it's one we plan to customize to our specs and keep. I think the value here is the lot, phoenix lots are often 5 foot wide strips on the sides and a 10 foot wide strip in the back.
rzyzzy said: The wife and I closed on this one today.
It's in a good neighborhood in Phoenix, 3 bed, 2 bath, 1600 sf - Deed restricted, but no HOA. - Bubblicious price was $305k two years ago, most recent comp was a month ago at 173k with no concessions, we got it for 170k with 4k in concessions. Ours has a larger lot than the comps - so it made for a better deal than the numbers might suggest. This isn't a flip or a rental, it's one we plan to customize to our specs and keep. I think the value here is the lot, phoenix lots are often 5 foot wide strips on the sides and a 10 foot wide strip in the back.
virthen said: rzyzzy said: The wife and I closed on this one today.
It's in a good neighborhood in Phoenix, 3 bed, 2 bath, 1600 sf - Deed restricted, but no HOA. - Bubblicious price was $305k two years ago, most recent comp was a month ago at 173k with no concessions, we got it for 170k with 4k in concessions. Ours has a larger lot than the comps - so it made for a better deal than the numbers might suggest. This isn't a flip or a rental, it's one we plan to customize to our specs and keep. I think the value here is the lot, phoenix lots are often 5 foot wide strips on the sides and a 10 foot wide strip in the back.
I'm considering buying it since I kinda like the look (especially the front), even though it's a little older and and the interior is not that great
Location?
Price?
Comps?
Intended Use?
(...really...do you have ANY info of value with which for us to make even a vague recommendation...)
mttatkns
Thrifty Member
posted: Jun. 11, 2009 @ 11:40a
user12345 said: Feel free to criticize !"Text" is not an appropriate phrase to use for the link. You can't see inside. The picture is slightly crooked. It's slightly cloudy. The landscaping could use more color? Oh yeah, and you didn't tell us anything about the house.
user12345
Senior Member
posted: Jun. 11, 2009 @ 2:35p
mttatkns said: user12345 said: Feel free to criticize !"Text" is not an appropriate phrase to use for the link. You can't see inside. The picture is slightly crooked. It's slightly cloudy. The landscaping could use more color? Oh yeah, and you didn't tell us anything about the house.
OK, this is a "pre-deal" as I'm still considering it. The house is in an upscale suburb of Nashville, TN and asking price is mid 400's. It's been owned by a single owner who bought it new in 1996 for $340K. Price per sq.ft is inline with recent comps, and down 10-15% from the peak a couple of years ago.
The neighborhood itself is in a great location and there are a lot of much more expensive houses. My only concern is with the interior design - outdated kitchen and confined living room. Also master bedroom is over the garage... wtf ?
user12345 said: Also master bedroom is over the garage... wtf ?
I looked at a few houses like that. I ended up with one that has a large closet over the garage. The closet is always hotter than the rest of the house in summer and colder in winter. Fine for a closet but bad for a bedroom... especially the Master Bedroom.
user12345
Senior Member
posted: Jun. 11, 2009 @ 2:49p
69ragtop said: user12345 said: Also master bedroom is over the garage... wtf ?
I looked at a few houses like that. I ended up with one that has a large closet over the garage. The closet is always hotter than the rest of the house in summer and colder in winter. Fine for a closet but bad for a bedroom... especially the Master Bedroom.
Right, and even worse is the fact that anyone in the household driving into or out of the garage will likely disturb the occupants of the bedroom (that is, me).... The more common design is to put a rec room or bonus room over the garage.
Anyway, I'm not sure if this is a deal breaker or not....
whirr
Tired Member
posted: Jun. 11, 2009 @ 3:34p
That house looks pretty big, how does it compare size wise to your comps?
You mention the price is on par per sq ft with the comps, but if it is larger than the comps, I would be looking to get a slightly better price per sq ft than the comps. Generally, the smallest house on the block will be a bit more expensive per sq ft - if you can get it at comps it is probably a bit of a bargin, the opposite is true for the larger houses on the block, if you pay the average price per sq ft, you probably paid a little high.
*edited to add, I am referring to the house pic linked by user12345
House has outdated kitchen . . . confined living room . . . . master bedroom over the garage (I thought this was ALWAYS a bonus room)
Where I live people desire a master on the main level. If not, older potential buyers stay away.
And its HUGE. (High utilities costs.)
The real estate market is so bad that the government is PAYING people to buy homes.
Interest rates are creeping up (higher interest rate mean higher monthly payments on same loan amount which means home price will DECREASE not INCREASE)
Based thereon, I think you should make an offer ASAP.
user12345
Senior Member
posted: Jun. 11, 2009 @ 9:07p
patch96 said: Let me get this straight.
House has outdated kitchen . . . confined living room . . . . master bedroom over the garage (I thought this was ALWAYS a bonus room)
Where I live people desire a master on the main level. If not, older potential buyers stay away.
And its HUGE. (High utilities costs.)
The real estate market is so bad that the government is PAYING people to buy homes.
Interest rates are creeping up (higher interest rate mean higher monthly payments on same loan amount which means home price will DECREASE not INCREASE)
Based thereon, I think you should make an offer ASAP.
I agree this house has some significant flaws, that's why I'm asking if it would be a good deal.
Let's review the positive factors: It's located in a very good neighborhood in an upscale suburb. The houses in this subdivision are 3000-4500 square feet, and this one is 3300 sq.ft so it's relatively small, but it's price per sq.ft is only slightly higher than recent comps which are larger houses on average. Plus the price is only about 30% higher than what it was 13 years ago when it was brand new, and prices have come down about 15% from the peak in this area (and this is a growing area with very strong economic fundamentals).
In addition to the great location and good price, I really like the "curb appeal" of the house and the other houses on the street and in this subdivision all look pretty nice.
The negative factors are (1) possible further price declines (maybe 10% more), and (2) the deficiencies in the floor plan that I mentioned. This house is within my budget and I probably wouldn't be concerned about price declines if I can get it for a discount off the asking price (which is likely). So the main issue is the floor plan. The subdivision was built in the 90's and it seems that the design principals used then are different then what is used in modern houses, such as open floor plans, tall and vaulted ceilings. Also I would have liked to have the master bedroom on the first floor like you mention, but I heard that some families with young kids prefer the master bedroom to be on the same floor as the kids bedrooms. So I don't mind if the master bedroom is on the second floor, but I really don't like the fact that it's above the garage. Also I would have like to have a dedicated office on the first floor. Kitchen is huge, but has very little counter and cupboard space, and again it's not connected by "open space" to the family room - you have to go thru a doorway....
BTW, for the same price I can buy a newer home that has a much better floor plan with everything I want, but it wouldn't be in such a good neighborhood. So the question is if these issues are "deal breakers" or if I should buy the house because of its location, location, location and curb appeal ?
Any feedback (including negative) is highly appreciated....
Edit: added more pics
rzyzzy
Senior Member
posted: Jun. 11, 2009 @ 11:32p
virthen said: rzyzzy said: The wife and I closed on this one today.
It's in a good neighborhood in Phoenix, 3 bed, 2 bath, 1600 sf - Deed restricted, but no HOA. - Bubblicious price was $305k two years ago, most recent comp was a month ago at 173k with no concessions, we got it for 170k with 4k in concessions. Ours has a larger lot than the comps - so it made for a better deal than the numbers might suggest. This isn't a flip or a rental, it's one we plan to customize to our specs and keep. I think the value here is the lot, phoenix lots are often 5 foot wide strips on the sides and a 10 foot wide strip in the back.
Nice rzyzzy. Where about in Phoenix is this at? Is that South Mountain in the background of picture 2?
This is actually North Phoenix, near the 101 and Cave Creek Intersection. I don't know the name of the mountain yet - it's not as big as it looks in the pics, but it's a better view than you usually get in a tract home. More pics....
Added french doors to the master bedroom today...before and after
I've been amazed at the labor quotes I've been getting - the building trades are really dead in this area, and they're grateful for any cash-paying work. I'm happy to be saving money, but it's a little sad to see such talented and hardworking people hurting for work.
user12345 said: patch96 said: Let me get this straight.
House has outdated kitchen . . . confined living room . . . . master bedroom over the garage (I thought this was ALWAYS a bonus room)
Where I live people desire a master on the main level. If not, older potential buyers stay away.
And its HUGE. (High utilities costs.)
The real estate market is so bad that the government is PAYING people to buy homes.
Interest rates are creeping up (higher interest rate mean higher monthly payments on same loan amount which means home price will DECREASE not INCREASE)
Based thereon, I think you should make an offer ASAP.
I agree this house has some significant flaws, that's why I'm asking if it would be a good deal.
Let's review the positive factors: It's located in a very good neighborhood in an upscale suburb. The houses in this subdivision are 3000-4500 square feet, and this one is 3300 sq.ft so it's relatively small, but it's price per sq.ft is only slightly higher than recent comps which are larger houses on average. Plus the price is only about 30% higher than what it was 13 years ago when it was brand new, and prices have come down about 15% from the peak in this area (and this is a growing area with very strong economic fundamentals).
In addition to the great location and good price, I really like the "curb appeal" of the house and the other houses on the street and in this subdivision all look pretty nice.
The negative factors are (1) possible further price declines (maybe 10% more), and (2) the deficiencies in the floor plan that I mentioned. This house is within my budget and I probably wouldn't be concerned about price declines if I can get it for a discount off the asking price (which is likely). So the main issue is the floor plan. The subdivision was built in the 90's and it seems that the design principals used then are different then what is used in modern houses, such as open floor plans, tall and vaulted ceilings. Also I would have liked to have the master bedroom on the first floor like you mention, but I heard that some families with young kids prefer the master bedroom to be on the same floor as the kids bedrooms. So I don't mind if the master bedroom is on the second floor, but I really don't like the fact that it's above the garage. Also I would have like to have a dedicated office on the first floor. Kitchen is huge, but has very little counter and cupboard space, and again it's not connected by "open space" to the family room - you have to go thru a doorway....
BTW, for the same price I can buy a newer home that has a much better floor plan with everything I want, but it wouldn't be in such a good neighborhood. So the question is if these issues are "deal breakers" or if I should buy the house because of its location, location, location and curb appeal ?
Any feedback (including negative) is highly appreciated....
Edit: added more pics
When you're considering your comps, how many in that price range and neighborhood have sold in the past 90 days? I wouldn't consider anything a comp if it sold more than 90 days ago in my area - and the appraisers are figuring a 1.5% -2% monthly drop in values around here, which could be significant $$$ in your case.
If you really love the house and consider it a project, I'd deduct some serious cash to make up for the trouble. You aren't bidding against specuvestors in that price range so a $100k haircut might be an acceptable offer.
This is waaaaaay too much money to risk without professional help - get your own appraisal, and a realtor who will do some homework for you before you write an offer. A buyer's agent could make $10k+ on this deal, so if they aren't kissing your behind and calling you "your highness" - find another one who will.
user12345
Senior Member
posted: Jun. 12, 2009 @ 12:45a
Here are the comps for completed sales:
05/29 4270 sq.ft X $114/sq.ft = $485K 04/30 4411 sq.ft X $111/sq.ft = $490K 04/03 3638 sq.ft X $135/sq.ft = $490K 02/27 5369 sq.ft X $129/sq.ft = $650K
Here are the comps for pending sales (price is list price):
4792 sq.ft X $119/sq.ft = $570K 5065 sq.ft X $108/sq.ft = $549K 4538 sq.ft X $132/sq.ft = $600K
List price for the house I'm looking at:
3350 sq.ft X $135/sq.ft = $452K
Edit: added more pics as after all this is a picture thread !
SUCKISSTAPLES said: you shouldnt offer much more than $110/sqft.
I wish !!!
Yeah, some of the larger houses (4000+ sq.ft) closed at $110/sq.ft but I doubt this house will go as low since it's smaller (only 3350 sq.ft) and at $110/sq.ft it will cost only $370K which is ridiculously low for this neighborhood. Even worse neighborhoods still sell for around $120/sq.ft, and this house actually has more "curb appeal" than some of the larger houses. Remember that it cost $340K back in 1996 and this area has grown quite a bit since then (inflation since then is 35%, and incomes rose even more than that). I'm thinking of $125/sq.ft.....
Last year there was a $7,500 federal credit that had to be paid back. This year $8,000 cash that does not have to be paid back.
If it was guaranteed that home prices would increase, sure. But I know far too many house poor or house bankrupt people who are all WAITING FOR THINGS TO GET BETTER.
It is not going to happen. These people ARE overhead resistance on price. They all want out.
Instead of looking at recent comps. Do some REAL research. Call a realtor and talk about SELLING your home (fake it if necessary).
This market has just begun to collapse. It will take decades to reconstruct. Home prices cannot be held up by stimulus checks. Remember when stimulus checks were going to solve the economic crisis under Bush?? Did that work.
What pundit/person/economist who ACCURATELY PREDICTED the current housing debacle has reversed their position?
You are still thinking in the old school mentality. SIZE!! SIZE!! SQUARE FOOTAGE!!!!
Those factors are not as important anymore. How energy efficient is this crib??? I LOVE (and have) vaults/tray ceilings throughout my home. How does this effect bills.
You are a lamb on his way to slaughter. I would recommend that you read/listen to Peter Shiff - but I am sure you are so star (size) struck by that home you would not do it.
Good luck
user12345
Senior Member
posted: Jun. 12, 2009 @ 3:03p
Well, OK I agree with some of that, but people NEED a place to live, and renting is not always better. Specifically, this house was bought new for $340K back in 1996. Was that a bubble price ? Prices in the area seem to have increased VERY slowly between 1996 and 2000 (I estimate it was worth only $360K in 2000), and only SLIGHTLY flaster from 2000 to 2004 (est: $400K for this house based on list of historical sales in the same street obtained from zillow). From 2004 there was strong appreciation (read: BUBBLE) for the whole area and I think it could have sold for $500K+ in 2007, but since then prices are back down to 2005 levels. Note that this area has high median income (6 figures), low crime, good schools, etc. And it's GROWING quite well (been growing in last 5 years, and very positive predictions going forward after the recession). I agree it might be better to wait, but on the other hand this may be the bottom or close to it.....
Here is a pic of the house be bought last year 3 bedrooms and 2 baths full basement and it is a walkout. There is 2.49 Ac. of land we picked it up for $48,000.00
fouroaks said: Here is a pic of the house be bought last year 3 bedrooms and 2 baths full basement and it is a walkout. There is 2.49 Ac. of land we picked it up for $48,000.00 Wow, where was that?
wiredspider said: fouroaks said: Here is a pic of the house be bought last year 3 bedrooms and 2 baths full basement and it is a walkout. There is 2.49 Ac. of land we picked it up for $48,000.00 Wow, where was that?
They seem to suggest that the location is MORE IMPORTANT than the features of the house itself. I sort of agree with that, so I think the shortcomings of the floor plan are not really that important. It's far more important to be in a good neighborhood, and as you can see from the comps I listed, this is a very upscale neighborhood, and this is one of the cheapest houses there. I know of many upscale neighborhoods in California, where most houses are 50 year old crapshacks compared to this house, but they are still very valuable because of the location.
Like the article said - it's location, location, location first.....
fouroaks said: Here is a pic of the house be bought last year 3 bedrooms and 2 baths full basement and it is a walkout. There is 2.49 Ac. of land we picked it up for $48,000.00
Hopefully this is a flip or investment cause I wouldn't want to live there......
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