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larrymoencurly
- Senior Member - 10K
posted: Jul. 1, 2009 @ 5:31a
Edward Jones is a better company to work for (it's usually listed among the top 10-100 best places to work in America) than to invest with, and you really don't want to pay somebody just to pick mutual funds for you. I realize that financial planning involves a lot more than that, but with planners who work on commission, that probably means selling insurance as well. If you decide on a fee-only planner, make sure the person really is fee-only by having him or her putting that in writing and not using weasel terms like "fee based". About a decade ago, the Washington Post surveyed at least 100 financial planners who claimed to be fee-only, but 90% of them actually worked on commission. A comprehensive fee-only plan is likely going to cost $3,000-$8,000 at the start. |
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ppatin
- Senior Member - 1K
posted: Jul. 1, 2009 @ 6:28a
Educate yourself and do your own financial planning. This stuff isn't rocket science, there's no reason to pay someone else to do it for you. |
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Xane
- Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2009 @ 6:47a
Offer to pay him a fee based on ROR. State that ROR should be calculated based on any money paid. So (his 40 + brokerage fees + cost of stocks/items) offer him 1% for market 2% for 5% above market 3% or 10% ect. Also state that if he will gain finical via a 3rd party payment, he must disclose that to you in writing. Failure to do so will result in some sort of fine. This way he can't simply sell you stocks he is trying to dump. At the same time, you time is freed up minimal cost. I'm assuming this was a private party thing and did not involve his company directly. If it does involve his company so much for my idea.
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jakemoney
- Broke Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2009 @ 8:53a
Slightly off topic, but I really don't like door to door salesmen. Whether they're selling vaccums or church or whatever, they are just plain annoying. My advice, if you answer, is to immediately tell them "no thanks" and shut the door. Anything more than that and they'll keep coming back until you either lose your you cool or buy what they're selling. Not to mention the fact that criminals are now acting as salesman to get people to open their doors and then force their way past the stay at home moms and the elderly to rob houses. This is becoming quite a popular (and scary) trend in the Houston suburbs. I've asked my wife to not open the door if she doesn't recognize who the person is. It isn't worth the risk of her getting beaten up and robbed just to be polite to a stranger. |
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ppatin
- Senior Member - 1K
posted: Jul. 1, 2009 @ 9:17a
jakemoney said:Slightly off topic, but I really don't like door to door salesmen. Whether they're selling vaccums or church or whatever, they are just plain annoying. Yeah, but there are SO many fun ways to annoy Jehovah's Witnesses who come to your door. |
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curtisekarr
- Senior Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2009 @ 10:27a
ppatin said:jakemoney said:Slightly off topic, but I really don't like door to door salesmen. Whether they're selling vaccums or church or whatever, they are just plain annoying.
Yeah, but there are SO many fun ways to annoy Jehovah's Witnesses who come to your door. I told a JW that I wasn't interested and he said, "What about the Jehovah's Witness Protection Program?" I said, "What, are ya' gonna change my name and resettle me in a small midwestern town?" He says, "No, no we're gonna Protect you from Jehovah's Witnesses knockin' at your door!!" |
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JesseLivermore
- Tired Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2009 @ 11:23a
I believe in G_d, but am not deeply religious in the organized sense. I think organized religion is poppycock. I am very moral, I think. But I'd love for the Jehova's Witnesses to stop their door to door policy. Instead of 'do unto others,' I wish the bible instructed 'do not do onto others as you wish not to be done unto.' |
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bogalusa
- Happy Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2009 @ 11:33a
OP, as others have in effect already said, steer clear of this guy and others on commission. Now, other than doing it yourself, one alternative to consider is a fee-only financial planner (although some FWFers will object). Check out NAFPA. If you go with a fee-only financial planner, you will still need to check his/her record thoroughly. (edit for link) |
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jakemoney
- Broke Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2009 @ 2:40p
Didn't mean to turn this into a JW thread ... What credentials has this guy given you that makes you think he'd be any better than you at managing your money? Obviously he can talk a good game as he went from "neighbor" to your potential financial planner, but can he really back it up? Don't fall for the sales pitch. Beware. |
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SuperMxyz
- Happy Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2009 @ 3:18p
There's an inherent conflict of interest with financial planners who make a commission on selling certain products. The only way around this is to work with someone who has a flat fee or hourly rate. The real money is in the cut of your investments that they get every year, so not many financial advisers work for a one time fee. If he pushes index mutual funds or ETFs, the industry standard is 0.1% to 0.3% expense ratio per year. That's $1-$3 per thousand dollars invested. |
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EvilCapitalist
- Senior Member - 1K
posted: Jul. 1, 2009 @ 3:23p
lray said:Ask to see his schedule D. OP, this should be the first cut off point for you. Get your prospective FP Schedule D for last 10 years. If he consistently outperforms you, there may be a reason to engage him. If he does not, show him the door. |
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puckah18
- Greedy Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2009 @ 4:07p
Show him the door. Take the $40 that you would've paid to open an account and buy 3~5 book personal finance books. Understand what financial management entails then decide whether you want to do it yourself or hire a pro. When hiring a pro, stick to people who are not inherently conflicted with their own compensation. Blindly investing in ANYTHING (yes, even low cost index funds) can be detrimental to ones financial future and near term mental well being. Don't listen to fwf guys who say it's easy. They're probably all middle aged millionaires who's learned a few lessons along the way. You are in no position to do anything to your cash other than keeping it in cash until you have some fundamental understanding. SAVE THE CASH, BUY BOOKS TO LEARN (or go to a reputable website), THEN DO IT YOURSELF! |
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InsuranceExpert
- Senior Member - 1K
posted: Jul. 1, 2009 @ 4:10p
destarr said:I had a gentleman stop by my door about a year ago wanting to just let me know that he had moved into the neighborhood and was a EdwardJones financial planner and would love to help me plan for my future. Well about every other month or so he called me back and, being a bit impressed with his perseverence and with a year already going by, I decided to meet with him.
My wife and I met with him tonight and the meeting went well. We discussed our overall financial status, and I gave him paperwork outlying our financial status and desires. He is looking over our information and we have another meeting scheduled for next tuesday, we did not discuss any specific products that he wanted to show us nor did he push any specific products.
What has me wondering about going with him as my financial planner is:
-Do I really need a financial planner or do I just need someone to handle my investments (currently I don't have any investments) -The fees seem high to me, it was $40 for starting a fund and then he collected a small amount on monies earned in the fund-Is there anywhere online where I can see typical fees for the larger companies?
Thanks for the help - I have a minor in Insurance and really enjoy the financial scene, but I also appreciate those that have gone farther in their education to recieve their CFP and other designations. I'm going to tell you not to use him, but for a very different reason than everyone else. An Edward Jones door knocker who is new to your neighborhood is probably brand new to the business. He probably doesn't have a CFP nor any other designation. He probably just has his Series 7 and his insurance licenses. He is a product salesman and not a financial planner. I don't mean that as a negative comment. You just need to understand that. Personally, I think that a quality financial advisor is very important. The problem is that it is very difficult to know if you have one. From 20 years of experience, I don't think that it makes any difference whether the advisor is making his money from commissions, fees, or a combination of the two. It needs to be disclosed and understood. |
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mlayu
- Senior Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2009 @ 5:02p
sunspotzsz said:stay away from him!!!
If you need help, why don't you post your financial situation here? The FW collectively beats 99.9% of financial planners. Yeah, right. Try post a FWF thread: "I have $20,000 saved up. I'm 25 and I want to start investing. What do I do? " or "I put all my money in the stock market. It's down big time. What do I do?" I'm pretty sure he'll get enough negs to make sure that he won't come back again. OP can read all kind of financial planning books. But what kind of books? Jim Cramer's book? If there are crappy financial planners out there, there are crappy financial books out there, too. Almost everyone here serves his/her own self-interest, just like the salesman. That's including authors of books that promote indexed mutual fund / ETFs. Almost everyone is a salesman (whether selling products, service, or ideas such as the idea to invest in low-cost index fund). Even after reading 4-5 books, can the person stay invested when the market is down 40-50%? In theory, I think planner can be justified. If OP earns high income in a field that is totally not related to finance, then OP can use planner service as long OP fully understands the cost of using the planner. Edit: Check your local university and see if there's stock market class or investment class. |
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mannyv
- Senior Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2009 @ 6:05p
ppatin said:Educate yourself and do your own financial planning. This stuff isn't rocket science, there's no reason to pay someone else to do it for you. Actually, hiring someone else do do this may make sense - if that person really is good. The big question that's hard to answer financially, is: "why this and not that?" Why would you rather have this type of insurance instead of that type of insurance? Why a Roth instead of a standard IRA? Why an index fund instead of an industry-specific fund? If you're starting out, why is superseded by "what is all this stuff?" Having a vague idea of all the investment vehicles out there takes a while...and figuring out why one is better/worse takes even more time. So...talking to a pro might be worth it, but you shouldn't pay them - maybe you can just take their recommendations, research the recommendations, then go back and ask more questions? |
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UncaMikey
- Happy Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2009 @ 6:33p
No one, and I mean NO ONE, will take as good care of your money as you will. Read Bogle, read Peterson's _Four Pillars of Investing_, and start off by reading this article: The Best Investment Advice You'll Never Get You can learn to manage your own money. As someone else in this thread noted, it's not rocket science. |
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FuzzyWombat
- Member
posted: Jul. 1, 2009 @ 6:46p
A Random Walk Down Wall Street by Burton G. Malkiel Common Sense Investing by John C. Bogle Fooled By Randomness by by Nassim Nicholas Taleb The Black Swan by Nassim Nicholas Taleb Use the library, you pay for it anyway. |
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glxpass
- Senior Member - 3K
posted: Jul. 1, 2009 @ 6:51p
Although I wouldn't rule out using a financial planner if one is appropriate for a given situation, I'd wouldn't hire any professional who cold-called me over the phone or came to my door, or solicited me by mail or through other forms of advertising. Would you hire a general contractor using those tactics? IMO, the best way to find an experienced professional for something critical, such as your money or your home, is by word of mouth from people you can trust. ETA: And even then, tread carefully, especially when dealing with finances. Think Bernie Madoff. |
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PolarDude
- Senior Member - 1K
posted: Jul. 1, 2009 @ 6:59p
Never hire someone who walks off the street and knocks on your door. I doubt he even lives in your neighborhood, and is just very aggressive. Why not take him for a ride, and have him wine you, dine you, and buy you some H&B. When it comes down to sign the papers, tell him to F off, you found a better deal. |
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InsuranceExpert
- Senior Member - 1K
posted: Jul. 1, 2009 @ 7:29p
UncaMikey said:No one, and I mean NO ONE, will take as good care of your money as you will. Read Bogle, read Peterson's _Four Pillars of Investing_, and start off by reading this article:
The Best Investment Advice You'll Never Get
You can learn to manage your own money. As someone else in this thread noted, it's not rocket science. I would change the quote slightly. The changed quote is something that I use with virtually all of my clients. "No one, and I mean NO ONE, will care as much about your money as you do." It's very easy to confuse investment advice with financial advice. They aren't the same thing.
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