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What's the best hedge against a falling dollar considering taxes?

This post is not intended as a inflation/deflation discussion. Let's assume that in terms of gold (or other real stuff, not U.S. dollars) that the price of food, energy, etc. remain constant.

It's hard for me to imagine the dollar not continuing it's long term free fall. For the most part, other countries are done buying US debt. It's only a matter of time for the dollar to be replaced as the world's reserve currency, and does anyone really believe the US can make good on paying all of it's debt? We are going to struggle just making the interest payment....Hmm, that sound's familiar.

The quickest answer I hear to the best hedge against a falling dollar is buying commodities, particularly gold & silver. The problem is that gold/silver are taxed as collectibles, and not as longterm capital gains. I really don't know much about other commodities as long term investments. Real estate typically pops up as a hedge, but I think deflation in the housing market has a ways to go yet.

I wouldn't say I think the sky will fall, but I do think there is a small, but very real risk for a "hyper decline in the dollar". I would hate to be heavily invested in something like a gold etf & think I'm insulated from the decline, only to find out I'm only partially insulated. For example, I buy $10,000 in gold. It goes up to $100,000 only because of a reciprocal dollar decline. I then have to pay the corrupt government 1/3 (more in the future?) of my "profits" . So in the end, I've lost 1/3 of the original buying power of the $10,000. I win, but yet I still lose.

There's another thread on the best way to beat inflation.


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The U.S. is not in as bad a position as the "pundits" are predicting. Read The Economist.


PowerShares DB US Dollar Index Bearish (UDN)


You don't want real estate per se, you want basic accommodation rental properties like these posters have.
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Alternatively, foreign currency denominated assets.


Obama4Prez said:The U.S. is not in as bad a position as the "pundits" are predicting. Read The Economist.

Sure thing


Compare with this guy who CNBC tries to marginalize anytime they get a chance, such as here.


Diversify. Hold some Dollars, some Euros, some Yen. Hold some gold, some silver. Hold some real estate in non-bubble markets. Own a reliable used car. Own an even older reliable used car that doesn't rely on advanced computers and electronics to run. Invest in oil changes and maintenance for both. Own a shotgun and a few emergency rations to hedge your bets. Own some acreage 15 miles outside of a major city. Do that and you'll be alright.


nevus said:What's the best hedge against a falling dollar considering taxes? It is hard to avoid taxes, but I would look into ETFs of some of the more socialist countries' currencies, like the Canadian dollar.


Stocks, especially foreign markets.


If you really think the dollar is going to fall that hard, buy all of the food you'll need for the rest of your life now. Nobody is going to tax you when you eat it.

P.S. You're clearly taking some sensationalist propaganda way too seriously.


The dollar has been losing value on a downward trend since the 80's. All the trillions in new government spending guarantees it will go lower, just like it has for the last 25 years. The people claiming the dollar won't lose value are the ones making an outrageous claim.


Every currency is currently in the crapper...for one reason or another..


Swivelguy said:If you really think the dollar is going to fall that hard, buy all of the food you'll need for the rest of your life now. Nobody is going to tax you when you eat it.

P.S. You're clearly taking some sensationalist propaganda way too seriously.
What an idiot you are... USD index lost almost %1 today. It's down 10% in the last 3 months. Get a clue.

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nevus said:I wouldn't say I think the sky will fall, but I do think there is a small, but very real risk for a "hyper decline in the dollar". I would hate to be heavily invested in something like a gold etf & think I'm insulated from the decline, only to find out I'm only partially insulated. For example, I buy $10,000 in gold. It goes up to $100,000 only because of a reciprocal dollar decline.

1. If you think there is a very real risk of hyperinflation, you probably won't feel comfortable without owning some actual physical gold/silver.

2. Equities (stocks), priced in $US are somewhat of a hedge against hyperinflation of $US. All the capital that one of those companies owns will still be worth something, even if hyperinflation ravages their business.

3. Stocks of companies that produce commodities can also do well in an inflationary environment. Think oil companies and mining companies.

4. One potential way to hedge against inflation is to hoard your cash as pre-1982 copper pennies or nickels (any year). The pennies currently are worth more in melt value than 1 penny. And the nickels are currently worth something like 75% of face value in melt value. Of course, there currently are laws against melting them, but that may change. Even if it doesn't, people will pull them out of circulation if they become worth much more in melt value than face value and eventually will buy and sell them for something much higher than face value. If we don't have inflation, nickels are still worth 5 cents and pennies are worth 1 cent. That's my "outside the box" contribution.

5. Hockey Stick Chart seems appropriate for this thread.


dk240t said:nevus said:I wouldn't say I think the sky will fall, but I do think there is a small, but very real risk for a "hyper decline in the dollar"...

5. Hockey Stick Chart seems appropriate for this thread.


Please elaborate on what the Hockey Stick Chart is showing. Thanks.


2. Equities (stocks), priced in $US are somewhat of a hedge against hyperinflation of $US. All the capital that one of those companies owns will still be worth something, even if hyperinflation ravages their business.In a mildly high inflation, maybe. In a real hyper inflation, no way.
5. Hockey Stick Chart seems appropriate for this thread.Necessary, not sufficient for inflation. One can even say the hockey stick chart is a result of deflation.


Instead of owning Gold/silver that gets taxed heavily, you can invest in CEF which is 55% gold + 45% silver. It gets taxed as mutual fund.


Most if not all currencies will lose value over time.

Best bet is to own good stocks that pay a dividend. This way you own something tangible (part of a profitable company) that will always have value regardless of which currencies are doing well. For example if the Dollar goes into the crapper Pepsi and Coke will still sell soft drinks either in other currencies and/or in inflated dollar prices. Your dividend income and share value will increase over time with a profitable company.


The answer is simple:

If it happens the population is screwed and it is the end of the story. If it comes down to gold to buy food, you better have the BBB supply of guns to fend for the food.


dk240t said:3. Stocks of companies that produce commodities can also do well in an inflationary environment. Think oil companies and mining companies.

Mining companies have historically underperformed their corresponding commodities. Better to buy the gold/etc itself, even after considering the tax consequences.

A few other strategies you can implement if you are absolutely convinced of a future decline in the USDollar:

1. Use leverage. I'm using this strategy myself, borrowing a considerable amount of money at low-interest fixed-for-life rates and holding it as gold. Obvious disadvantage: As with all leveraged investments, if you're wrong, you're really wrong. Also, with credit tightening up, this is becoming more difficult.
(Someone is going to suggest one of the leveraged gold ETFs instead. Remember that these are daytraders' toys and will not work well for long-term investing.)

2. Buy things you want now instead of waiting. As antithetical as this is to the frugal fatwallet mindset, it may be a reasonable choice. I'm not suggesting that you use an impending dollar decline as an excuse to buy a dozen flatscreen TVs, but if you were planning to make any large purchases in the next few years, it may be prudent to consider moving those up a bit.

3. Hold your gold offshore, using a service such as Bullionvault (or even better, a more private arrangement, if your net worth if high enough to justify the additional expense). This is a good tactic if you expect punitively high gold taxes to be enacted, which is entirely possible if the dollar experiences a rapid decline. Of course, at that point, you'll need to decide if your wealth is worth enough to a) renounce your citizenship and live abroad or b) become a tax cheat.

Consider also that pretty much every reasonably prosperous country in the world has strong ties to the US. If the US Dollar goes down, so does everyone else. Things will likely get messy.
(I'll stop there before I wander into TinFoilHatVille and destroy my credibility. )


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