I came up with an idea for a 100% legal business idea that would piss off law enforcement and likely lead to a new law banning my product. It is a 100% way of beating traffic light cameras in my state.
If the purpose of the device was to beat the traffic light camera, then I believe that would be illegal. The purpose is ornamental and does not violate any current laws as they are the books in my state now. I believe this is a good topic of discussion as many entrepeneurs may have ideas for similar quasi-legal items such as ways of defeating urine tests.
Again, I want to repeat so this thread does not get locked, the purpose of my product is purely ornamental and is 100% legal under state law, however as a by-product would defeat traffic light cameras. I am NOT looking to sell this item on FWF, nor do I wish to reveal the specifics here. It would likely only work in my current state based on a loophole I found in the law and may be illegal in other states.
The topic for discussion is as follows:
What legal actions do you take before bringing such a product to market? Do you consult an attorney? Contact the state police and ask for an official opinion?
What actions should you take to protect yourself against retribution from the government? In my county, the sheriff is known WORLD-WIDE for violating due process and humans rights and has even initiated investigations against dozens of reporters who wrote opinion pieces against him. I don't care to piss off the sheriff for a few hundred dollars on this side business. I do not wish to limit this discussion to my particular case or it will not lead to a good thread.
Make sure you ask all buyers if they are cops. They have to tell you, otherwise its entrapment. It always works in the movies.
When a customer asks you if you have the stuff, tell him its close by, and ask him if he has the money. ***IMPORTANT*** Always make sure to see the money before you show him the stuff or even tell him where it is. Until you see the money, the stuff is "close by."
Practice palming bills in the manner of a handshake. It is important to be able to exchange money without drawing attention. Make sure it looks like shaking hands or high five.
Use Lingo . Your disheveled customers need their "sweaters" and they need them now.
Do not chain smoke outside the same 7-11. The 5-0 will see the pile of butts and come hassle you. Be sure to alternate locations, maybe from a 7-11, then on to a pawn shop or liquor store.
Wear at least three pagers. You want to stay connected with your clientele.
This one is easy. Have the stuff made and sell it shipped directly to buyer from a foreign location. Customs won't know much about local and state laws and most <$2k small parcels get informal entry processing anyway. You can advertise and sell it to your heart's content.
InsuranceExpert
Senior Member - 3K
posted: Aug. 20, 2009 @ 3:21p
I would have zero concern about retribution. My only concern would be that my start up costs were very low and I could quickly turn a profit. Once the product becomes illegal, there is no more profit to be made. If quick money can't be made, you don't have a viable business.
tripleB said: Joe ArpaioAhh, the Chain Gang Sheriff. The ends justify the means.
MoneyOCD
Senior Member
posted: Aug. 20, 2009 @ 3:31p
scrouds said: We really need that BBB subforums. I would give him a quota - no more the 1 new topic per month and no more then 1 post per day. It will keep all reasonably entertained but will force him to be more thoughtful about what he is posting.
tripleB said: I came up with an idea for a 100% legal business idea that would piss off law enforcement and likely lead to a new law banning my product.
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Again, I want to repeat so this thread does not get locked, the purpose of my product is purely ornamental and is 100% legal under state law
Which are you more worried about, having your threads locked or getting locked up yourself?
I'm pretty sure someone has already thought of every possible way to defeat traffic cameras. Those cameras typically record motion video as well as stills. Don't assume that your idea is new. Presume that it has been tried and rejected until you can _prove_ that it works.
I engage in my own personal boycott of traffic cameras at intersections. If I can't avoid an intersection entirely (incidentally avoiding generating sales tax revenue for that city), I refuse to turn right on red. A large majority of these tickets are given for right on red, and this way I save those behind me from tickets and I cost the city money.
Nummerkins
Senior Member
posted: Aug. 20, 2009 @ 3:44p
I didn't even have to look at who posted the thread to know it was tripleB. Get more inventive with your titles!
I think it would neat if they let people start topics anonymously for a day and then we could have fun trying to figure out which topics were started by tripleB. This one would have been easy, though.
ppatin said: If you want to make money breaking the law just sell drugs.
selling marijuana with a license is legal in CA, not sure where the op is. Also, plenty of dr.'s sell rx drugs legally...oops, I mean prescribe not sell
Syrex said: infrared LED license plate frame? I'm assuming it's something that actively attempts to "blind" the camera.
RS4Rings
Back in Rehab
posted: Aug. 20, 2009 @ 7:08p
tripleB said: dcg9381 said: Polarized clear cover over the plate works too... No photo at angles.
Same systems for defeating the tollways.
Running red lights will eventually result in it's own award... One by Darwin.
These do not work 100% and may be considered illegal as an obstructed plate. And I doubt you have anything, Just another reason for you to start a dumb ass topic. I just use my escort 9500ix, Tells me where red light and fixed speed cams are
definitely will involve a lot of lawyer fees. you would want to structure the business such that you are not personally liable.
WalStMonky
Happy Member
posted: Aug. 20, 2009 @ 8:05p
I found some electrical tape very effective in defeating traffic cams. The L became an E and the 3 became an 8. It cost me perhaps a nickel. Why the heck would I want to buy your product?
Bankgeek
Senior Member
posted: Aug. 20, 2009 @ 8:06p
Just put a little tar on one of the numbers or letters than throw some dirt on it. Now watch this post get yanked.
I just leave the plates off and keep the "dealer advertisment" paper plates on the car. Cant ticket a car if the camera doesnt see a plate #.
If you get pulled over in person, you get a $10 fixit ticket to put your real plates on.
Some states dont allow it or include an actual plate # on the paper plates, but in CA its just a generic advertisement. Ive run them for years with no problems.
The two whizzes who created a device to beat drug tests just learned a valuable lesson: You don't pee on the United States government out of a fake penis and tell 'em it's raining.
Robert Catalano and George Wills have just plead guilty in U.S. District Court for conspiring to sell the Whizzinator -- a prosthetic penis sold with a heating device and dried urine which, quite obviously, helps people fake their way through drug tests.
A couple of famous people have been busted for slangin' around the fake phallus over the years -- including actor Tom Sizemore and former NFL running back Onterrio Smith.
The streamline engineers face up to eight years in prison and a $500,000 fine.
Da MAN hassling you for inattentiveness (and running a red light, and possibly killing innocent drug runners (oops, I mean children) late at night?
Get the tripble BATbatBAT!
if you see the flash of a camera, STOP the car, then run up to the camera, and BATbatBAT the hell out of it!
Most LE can't afford a real-time transmission of photos... ALL the data is in that MOTH&%&*FU)*^*^ BOX!
Beat the shit outta the box (and any small children witnesses), and you ESCAPE thagt troublesome 50 buck ticket!!!
Buy it NOW (cuz I can't do this all day)...... 50 bucks shipping, 50 bucks for the idea, and 50 bucks for the BATbatBAT.....
Mention tripleB from FWF, and your price is only $500 (plus the original $150 we already told you about!!!!)
Grand total, with the SECRET code (tripleB_should_be_incarcerated), is ONLY $650!
LEGAL DISCLAIMER: This is a joke. I wouldn't sell this to anyone (not even tripleB). No harm was caused to tripleB during the writing (or taping) of this infomercial. I am NOT asking for harm to tripleB, but would not cry if I read a report about him, which said that he said something stupid in real life and he got a tooth or two knocked out (or even a mild concussion). Also, I would NEVER reply to a post which KNOWINGLY offered an item for sale, which was legal, then PRETENDED that I didn't know it was potentially illegal.
Da MAN hassling you for inattentiveness (and running a red light, and possibly killing innocent drug runners (oops, I mean children) late at night?
Get the tripble BATbatBAT!
if you see the flash of a camera, STOP the car, then run up to the camera, and BATbatBAT the hell out of it!
Most LE can't afford a real-time transmission of photos... ALL the data is in that MOTH&%&*FU)*^*^ BOX!
Beat the shit outta the box (and any small children witnesses), and you ESCAPE thagt troublesome 50 buck ticket!!!
Buy it NOW (cuz I can't do this all day)...... 50 bucks shipping, 50 bucks for the idea, and 50 bucks for the BATbatBAT.....
Mention tripleB from FWF, and your price is only $500 (plus the original $150 we already told you about!!!!)
Grand total, with the SECRET code (tripleB_should_be_incarcerated), is ONLY $650!
LEGAL DISCLAIMER: This is a joke. I wouldn't sell this to anyone (not even tripleB). No harm was caused to tripleB during the writing (or taping) of this infomercial. I am NOT asking for harm to tripleB, but would not cry if I read a report about him, which said that he said something stupid in real life and he got a tooth or two knocked out (or even a mild concussion). Also, I would NEVER reply to a post which KNOWINGLY offered an item for sale, which was legal, then PRETENDED that I didn't know it was potentially illegal.
Juice by tripleB, juice by tripleB, ohhhhh tripleB's got juice, tripleB's got juice...ohhhhhhhhh....tripleB!!!
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micker
New Member
posted: Oct. 4, 2009 @ 9:23a
The trick here is to license your product out. Find someone else willing to manufacture, advertise & distribute your product. Take 5% of gross on it and cash checks.
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