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Please give any information/thoughts/rumors/etc. concerning the absorption of Wachovia by Wells Fargo.

Wells previously announced in their conversion blog that Colorado branches would be converted in November. They also recently gave an expected order for other state conversions.
Wells Fargo said:During 2010, we expect to convert banking stores in the states where Wells Fargo and Wachovia overlap: Nevada, Arizona, Illinois, California, Texas, Missouri, and Kansas. (Those are in the order we expect to convert.) Near the end of 2010, we'll begin converting the non-overlapping states: Alabama, Tennessee, Mississippi, Georgia, New Jersey, Deleware, Connecticut, New York, Pennsylvania, Florida, Virginia, Maryland, Washington D.C., South Carolina, and North Carolina. (Again, listed in the order we expect to convert.)
As I mentioned in the Way2Save thread, earlier in the year, Wells Fargo stated that they were keeping the W2S; but did not give any details as to how that would work out.

Recently, I found that the Wachovia website no longer display interest rates for demand deposit accounts (savings, checking, etc.). I was told that this is due integration.


Wells Fargo and Wachovia Updates Page
Wells Fargo-Wachovia Blog
Wachovia employees switch to the Wells Fargo benefits on January 1. Payroll conversion is January 8.

Charters combine March, 2010



Conversion Dates
"Overlapping" states
Colorado - Nov. 7, 2009

Nevada - March 2010
Arizona - March 2010
Illinois - March 2010

California - Mid-2010; rumor, April 25
Texas - Rumor, April 16

Missouri (No Wells Fargo or Wachovia branches)
Kansas (No Wells Fargo branches) - Early 2H, 2010; rumor, August

Wachovia-only states - A state may not be converted all at once
Alabama - 2011
Tennessee - 2011
Mississippi - 2011
Georgia - 2011

New Jersey - 2011
Delaware - 2011
Connecticut - 2011
New York - 2011
Pennsylvania - 2011
Florida - 2011
Virginia - 2011
Maryland - 2011
District of Columbia - 2011

South Carolina - 2011
North Carolina - 2011

Message edited by: sechs on 2009-11-12 17:26:29 CST

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Thanks for starting this thread. I am extremely sceptical about the merger, notwithstanding the praise heaped upon Wells by its customers and "team members" in reply to the CEO's welcome letter. Not that I'm a Wachovia fan. I'm a holdover from World Savings (remember those great CDs?).

If there are any Wells Fargo customers here, please let us know if there's any truth to the rumor that you cannot ACH money out of your Wells accounts to another institution. I have a Wachovia CD which I (had) plan(ned) to roll into my Wachovia checking account and ACH out, then close the account. I'm hoping I can do this before the conversion; otherwise it might be a PITA to get my money.


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I was a Wachovia customer for 4 years (I opened my account when I moved to the Northeast from Chicago). I am highly skeptical of Wells Fargo and immediately closed my account after I heard about the merger. If you've heard anything about the merger between TD and Commerce, you know that you have reason to be concerned.


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My wachovia mortgage is getting gobbled by WF, the only thing I want out of the merger is a .25% rate reduction for automatic payments. That would make my day and I am going to push hard for it once I am assimilated this month.

Message edited by: DamnoIT on 2009-10-05 15:14:25 CDT
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DamnoIT said:My wachovia mortgage is getting gobbled by WF, the only thing I want out of the merger is a .25% rate reduction for automatic payments. That would make my day and I am going to push hard for it once I am assimilated this month.

How do you get this .25% rate reduction? Is it for Wells Fargo customers?


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Ank329 said:DamnoIT said:My wachovia mortgage is getting gobbled by WF, the only thing I want out of the merger is a .25% rate reduction for automatic payments. That would make my day and I am going to push hard for it once I am assimilated this month.

How do you get this .25% rate reduction? Is it for Wells Fargo customers?

I think it may only be avaialable to a WF underwritten loan. It was for those who tied their WF account to do autopay on thier mortgage. I am still going to push for it when we are borg.


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DamnoIT said:Ank329 said:DamnoIT said:My wachovia mortgage is getting gobbled by WF, the only thing I want out of the merger is a .25% rate reduction for automatic payments. That would make my day and I am going to push hard for it once I am assimilated this month.

How do you get this .25% rate reduction? Is it for Wells Fargo customers?


I think it may only be avaialable to a WF underwritten loan. It was for those who tied their WF account to do autopay on thier mortgage. I am still going to push for it when we are borg.

Hmm... I recently got a mortgage through WF and I didn't know about this, I gotta look into this and see if I can get a rate reduction.

Thanks for the info!


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Ank329 said:DamnoIT said:Ank329 said:DamnoIT said:My wachovia mortgage is getting gobbled by WF, the only thing I want out of the merger is a .25% rate reduction for automatic payments. That would make my day and I am going to push hard for it once I am assimilated this month.

How do you get this .25% rate reduction? Is it for Wells Fargo customers?


I think it may only be avaialable to a WF underwritten loan. It was for those who tied their WF account to do autopay on thier mortgage. I am still going to push for it when we are borg.


Hmm... I recently got a mortgage through WF and I didn't know about this, I gotta look into this and see if I can get a rate reduction.

Thanks for the info!

This may have been a short lived offer this past spring then the refis were hot. I am not seeing it mentioned at the present.


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unlike Chase...which converted over WAMU pretty fast...sounds like Wells Fargo is doing the Wachovia conversion at a "turtle slow" pace......
Other then their "cute" stagecoach design checks...what is so great about them? They don't even have their own ACH transfer system.....


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craig10x said:unlike Chase...which converted over WAMU pretty fast...sounds like Wells Fargo is doing the Wachovia conversion at a "turtle slow" pace......
Other then their "cute" stagecoach design checks...what is so great about them? They don't even have their own ACH transfer system.....

Their PMA Checking Account gives you 100 free trades for each brokerage account; and the requirements for the PMA account are low (25k) which includes 10% of your mortgage balance.


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Ank329 said:craig10x said:unlike Chase...which converted over WAMU pretty fast...sounds like Wells Fargo is doing the Wachovia conversion at a "turtle slow" pace......
Other then their "cute" stagecoach design checks...what is so great about them? They don't even have their own ACH transfer system.....


Their PMA Checking Account gives you 100 free trades for each brokerage account; and the requirements for the PMA account are low (25k) which includes 10% of your mortgage balance.

true...i will give you that one

Message edited by: craig10x on 2009-10-05 20:11:58 CDT
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ThursdaysChild said:Thanks for starting this thread. I am extremely sceptical about the merger, notwithstanding the praise heaped upon Wells by its customers and "team members" in reply to the CEO's welcome letter. Not that I'm a Wachovia fan. I'm a holdover from World Savings (remember those great CDs?).

If there are any Wells Fargo customers here, please let us know if there's any truth to the rumor that you cannot ACH money out of your Wells accounts to another institution. I have a Wachovia CD which I (had) plan(ned) to roll into my Wachovia checking account and ACH out, then close the account. I'm hoping I can do this before the conversion; otherwise it might be a PITA to get my money.

I think you are right. I have a wells fargo account and I have have not found a way to ACH out.


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yes...from what i understand, Wells Fargo to this day, STILL does not offer it's customers any ACH Transfer system for a fee or free...just plain doesn't provide one....
Of course, on the Brokerage side, i understand that they do...i guess there they had no choice as they realize that people aren't going to use them for trading, purchase funds, etc...if they don't have some easy way to get money into them....

so, looks like you'll have to use another means of getting money out from them....


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sechs said:As I mentioned in the Way2Save thread, earlier in the year, Wells Fargo stated that they were keeping the W2S; but did not give any details as to how that would work out.Poster in the Way2Save thread reports that he was told at a branch that there would be no new W2S accounts starting in January. Existing accounts would be grandfathered.


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craig10x said:yes...from what i understand, Wells Fargo to this day, STILL does not offer it's customers any ACH Transfer system for a fee or free...just plain doesn't provide one....That blows.

Can Wells customers transfer between accounts online?


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Pretty funny that WF is such a dinasour with the ACH think, must be an archaic policy to keep money less avaialable and to keep more in the thier accounts. You can send up to 1k per day to another WF account but you have to know the number and it doesnt keep it in memory or anything to the effect so you have to enter it time and time again. Its a Fossil man!


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sechs said:Can Wells customers transfer between accounts online?To answer my own question, I talked to a friend with a Wells Fargo checking account for nefarious purposes.

There is, in fact, no system for transferring money to or from external accounts. You can move money between WF accounts.

It seems ridiculous that they do not have a system. They could even charge for it. Granted, I don't use Wachovia's system, as it's slow and they charge for some transactions, but it's there nonetheless.


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DamnoIT said:Pretty funny that WF is such a dinasour with the ACH think, must be an archaic policy to keep money less avaialable and to keep more in the thier accounts. You can send up to 1k per day to another WF account but you have to know the number and it doesnt keep it in memory or anything to the effect so you have to enter it time and time again. Its a Fossil man!Actually, Wells does let you store another customer's acct info; DW & I often move $ back and forth between our accounts (subject to a $1K daily limit, as you point out).


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craig10x said:unlike Chase...which converted over WAMU pretty fast...sounds like Wells Fargo is doing the Wachovia conversion at a "turtle slow" pace......
Other then their "cute" stagecoach design checks...what is so great about them? They don't even have their own ACH transfer system.....

Wachovia and WF used incompatible systems for platform backend. Converting from one to the other without downtime is an extremely long process.


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