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My first non-sarcastic post to FWF!

I was out looking at some old beat up properties looking for a nice big house that needed some TLC and the listing agent told me about a program called the Homebuyer Advantage Program. Apparently, it's part of the Neighborhood Stabilization Act of 2008.

So here's how it works in Mississippi (other states may vary, I got this information from this link.

You have to purchase a foreclosure at 1% less than the appraised value and the house must be fully foreclosed upon.
Based on your income and the number of people in your household, you get at least a 15,000 grant (0% over 5 years) and depending on your credit score you can get up to an additional $25,000. (0% over 10 years)

So I'm going to sell my current pad, buy a bigger house, put some of the equity from this house into fixing up the foreclosure, and still end up with a smaller total mortgage that I've currently got right now.

Enjoy!



You do realize there are income levels involved, right? I looked it up out of curiosity and for 3 person household it doesn't go above $50K no matter what county you choose.

http://mshc.com/HBA/Income.aspx


oh my, so people who cant afford houses are getting help buying a house?

I swear I have that exact movie lying around here somewhere...


svallarian said: You have to purchase a foreclosure at 1% less than the appraised value and the house must be fully foreclosed upon.
Based on your income and the number of people in your household, you get at least a 15,000 grant (0% over 5 years) and depending on your credit score you can get up to an additional $25,000. (0% over 10 years)
That is a loan, not a grant. Grants don't usually have to be repaid, right?


i dont know how they expect people making 35k/year to afford these houses..

can you circumvent this restriction by making tons of charitable donations, maxing out FSA, 401k and any other tax free device that year


theman2 said: svallarian said: You have to purchase a foreclosure at 1% less than the appraised value and the house must be fully foreclosed upon.
Based on your income and the number of people in your household, you get at least a 15,000 grant (0% over 5 years) and depending on your credit score you can get up to an additional $25,000. (0% over 10 years)
That is a loan, not a grant. Grants don't usually have to be repaid, right?

Exactly. That's a subsidized loan. A grant doesn't need to be paid back unless you violate the terms of the grant.


indeed it looks like a grant if you live in the property for 10 years. its a loan that you dont have to pay back unless you move out or sell before the term limit.

they should run spell check
" Th Home Buyer Advantage grant will carry 0% interest and be forgiven over 5 or 10 years based on the amount received. The required occupancy period for $14,999 is 5 years and 10 years for $15,000 - $39,999. You do not have to stay in the house for 5 or 10 years but if you move before completing your occupancy period of 5 or 10 years, then you will pay back a portion of the grant based on the number of months you lived in the home. The longer you live in the home, the less money you pay back."


Grizybaer said: indeed it looks like a grant if you live in the property for 10 years. its a loan that you dont have to pay back unless you move out or sell before the term limit.

they should run spell check
" Th Home Buyer Advantage grant will carry 0% interest and be forgiven over 5 or 10 years based on the amount received. The required occupancy period for $14,999 is 5 years and 10 years for $15,000 - $39,999. You do not have to stay in the house for 5 or 10 years but if you move before completing your occupancy period of 5 or 10 years, then you will pay back a portion of the grant based on the number of months you lived in the home. The longer you live in the home, the less money you pay back."

In my defense, I didn't bother to click on the link to read the terms. I'm a lazy, lazy man.


yes, it's a grant, I haven't received the paperwork yet to see how it's going to be structured.
@CrazierRus - yes, but don't forget I'm in Mississippi. 50k goes a long way.
@Grizybaer - it's the same HUD income qualifications as a Section 8 house, so it's all gross household income, even if it's your 19 year old kid.


oh wow, another FW member that's from mississippi other than me!


Direct quote from their site (except they spelled the first word "th". I took the liberty of fixing that for them.

"The Home Buyer Advantage grant will carry 0% interest and be forgiven over 5 or 10 years based on the amount received. The required occupancy period for $14,999 is 5 years and 10 years for $15,000 - $39,999. You do not have to stay in the house for 5 or 10 years but if you move before completing your occupancy period of 5 or 10 years, then you will pay back a portion of the grant based on the number of months you lived in the home. The longer you live in the home, the less money you pay back."


can you buy your own foreclosure?


So here's how it works:
The two grants get credited against the balance of the loan (including origination fees and other prepaids).
The grants are secured by a lien against the property.
The loan has to be underwritten first, with me paying the downpayment. Once the loan is underwritten, the loan goes to two or three agencies who all must approve the grant.
The downside to this is that it can take up to three weeks after the loan is underwritten to get grant approval, so you've got to make sure that the seller is willing to push out the closing date far enough so that you can get everything funded.


So svallarian, have you closed yet? If so, tell me more about it.


So Svallarian, have you closed on the house? If so, tell me about it. I'm in MS getting ready to go through my process of closing with grant soon.


I haven't closed yet (on the Dec 15, but I don't know if I'm going to make it)

Right now, the loan is being held up in underwriting because Bank of America didn't know how to fund the loan since they had never seen such a large grant amount before...and apparently since I did a conventional instead of FHA loan it threw up a red flag....

I finished the required 8 hour homebuyer education class today, which was interesting, but a waste of time for 1) someone that's owned a home for 10 years and 2) gone through two refinances due to reading FWF

I also had a problem with the purchase price not being lower than the apprasial. As usual, the bank and the apprasier were working together so that the apprasial came in "just above" the purchase price. Unfortunately for the ME, this wasn't enough...The purchase price had to be 1% below the apprasial. So to fix this, I contacted the listing agent and got them to forgo a previously agreed upon $1800 in repairs and instead reduce the purchase price by $1800.


svallarian said: Right now, the loan is being held up in underwriting because Bank of America didn't know how to fund the loan since they had never seen such a large grant amount before...and apparently since I did a conventional instead of FHA loan it threw up a red flag.... Wow, I thought all the money in the NSP programs flowed through the HUD and therefore FHA funding is required (I think that is the case in Georgia, but I doubt there's anything preventing you from refinancing immediately).


Oh my, I have a closing date of January 8. Luckily my lender has done a couple of these loans before. He is trying to get me in before Christmas. I took the hba class Nov. 13....didn't like it either. But if it gets me 40k; I will take it again. I just hope nothing else gets in my way. I will keep you posted on my journey. Let me know how yours go.


On the MS website, it said any fannie mae or freddie mac loan qualifies also, which I *think* means conventional according to my hba class (see, I did get one thing out of it!)

Oh yeah, penfed will be getting the refinance documents, especially if it is going to be a BoA loan.


BoA was not listed as one of the approved lenders for the hba.(are you using a broker) Do you think that may have something to do with the delay as well? Or are they just funding the loan?


shevar said: BoA was not listed as one of the approved lenders for the hba.(are you using a broker) Do you think that may have something to do with the delay as well? Or are they just funding the loan?

My bad, they are approved as a lender.


they are just funding, I'm going through renasant, the only bank who was local to me.


aw ok, you sound like you are close to me. Desoto?


This looks like it may be entirely specific to Mississippi. Or at least it goes by a totally different name in my state, I couldn't find any info.

I don't understand your 1% below appraisal rule. Does the purchase price need to be exactly 1% less, at least 1% less, or no more than 1% less than appraisal?


Hey.. another MS resident here trying to get through this Homebuyers advantage mess...
I placed a bid on a HUD repo and of course they offer incentives IF I do FHA financing.. BUT, the program won't work with FHA..meaning, I will lose my 100 down and repair escrow if I get the grant money. So, this means that I must find another loan.. Fannie Mae was suggested and of course there are different terms... like a 3% down payment vs HUD 100 dollars down. Sooo... my next hurdle is that the property has to have a historical report requested which takes 2-3 weeks.. Then an environmental report must be requested..thats another 2-3 weeks.. and finally THEN the funds can be officially requested and wired to MS for me. The HUGE problem is that my contract to close with HUD is Dec. 21. These reports are quoted to be back within those timeframes stated, however it is not guaranteed that they will be received by Dec. 21. So now I have to ask for an extension with HUD..but I don't know how long I need..since I don't know when my reports are coming back. In the process.. we determined that my purchase price wasn't 1% less than the appraised value..of which HUD listed as the list price. So now I have to request that a new appraisal be done and HOPE it is substantial so that I qualify. This has my head hurting. After speaking with MHC, they just basically said that it is a new program and new information is becoming available...some info and quidelines are not in stone just yet. Lenders are scrambling to understand it for their customers..and apparently.. nobody was listening at the workshop that was held by MHC introducing this program. Can I just get to the end of the whole process...??? Now.. question.. I heard, but have not substantiated this with anything in writing..that if you receive MHC grants through Homebuyers Advantage, you will not get the 8000 dollar tax credit. Is that true?? Please help.. help stop the surprises..


Wow! My situation is not that complicated. My HBA packet has not been completed by the LO to even go to MHC. My loan officer apparantly told my insurance agent that I may close December 30th. I really wanted to be in by Xmas. He said it did add 3 weeks to a couple that was done is his office. I read that a step was taken out that may help with the delay of ordering the two reports needed by MHC.

Why cant you do the $100 down with this program and still pay the 1.75%(or whatever it is)? and utilize the grant

For now, we can still get the $8000 tax credit. The grant is a state program and the tax credit is a federal program. I will not be a happy camper if the 8gs was taken away.


SlimTim said: This looks like it may be entirely specific to Mississippi. Or at least it goes by a totally different name in my state, I couldn't find any info.

I don't understand your 1% below appraisal rule. Does the purchase price need to be exactly 1% less, at least 1% less, or no more than 1% less than appraisal?

I am still unsure about the 1% rule myself. I am assuming that the house has to appraise for at least 1% above the purchase price. The home I am purchasing is 192k and the appraisal came in at 196 and the LO said we were good.

Yes this grant is for MS.


shevar, i'm in Tupelo.

The 1% rule is that the purchase price has to be at least 1% less than the apprasial. (and they are sticking to the rule per MHC) This is to keep people from being ripped off, I suppose, even though last time I checked banks don't try to rip people off who are buying foreclosures.

Nikola, I don't see why you can't do the FHA financing and still do the grant. I was offered the FHA loan before I talked her into a Fannie Mae conventional.

I don't think I'm going to meet my dec 15 close date. There's no way with the holiday that I'll be able to get the grant pushed through before then. I've got a $50/day penalty in my contract, so if anyone else is doing this make sure and get that taken OUT.


SlimTim said: This looks like it may be entirely specific to Mississippi. Or at least it goes by a totally different name in my state, I couldn't find any info.

I don't understand your 1% below appraisal rule. Does the purchase price need to be exactly 1% less, at least 1% less, or no more than 1% less than appraisal?

Check HUD's website for other states. HUD has a map which you can click on that provides the contact person for each state. I found the map on HUD's site last night, but can't find it right now because HUD's site has so many different programs that it is a PIA to navigate. If I find the link again, I'll post it. The HUD site did state that the grants may not be the same amount in all states. And the program for example, in Pennsylvania, was limited to just a few counties and cities.


svallarian said: shevar, i'm in Tupelo.

The 1% rule is that the purchase price has to be at least 1% less than the apprasial. (and they are sticking to the rule per MHC) This is to keep people from being ripped off, I suppose, even though last time I checked banks don't try to rip people off who are buying foreclosures.

Nikola, I don't see why you can't do the FHA financing and still do the grant. I was offered the FHA loan before I talked her into a Fannie Mae conventional.

I don't think I'm going to meet my dec 15 close date. There's no way with the holiday that I'll be able to get the grant pushed through before then. I've got a $50/day penalty in my contract, so if anyone else is doing this make sure and get that taken OUT.
The bank that I am buying the house from gave me 2 months to close as part of their counter offer. I sure hope you close on Dec. 15th. This is so stressful.


svallarian said: shevar, i'm in Tupelo.

The 1% rule is that the purchase price has to be at least 1% less than the apprasial. (and they are sticking to the rule per MHC) This is to keep people from being ripped off, I suppose, even though last time I checked banks don't try to rip people off who are buying foreclosures.

Nikola, I don't see why you can't do the FHA financing and still do the grant. I was offered the FHA loan before I talked her into a Fannie Mae conventional.

I don't think I'm going to meet my dec 15 close date. There's no way with the holiday that I'll be able to get the grant pushed through before then. I've got a $50/day penalty in my contract, so if anyone else is doing this make sure and get that taken OUT.
The bank that I am buying the house from gave me 2 months to close as part of their counter offer. I sure hope you close on Dec. 15th. This is so stressful.


I'm not sure why I can't do FHA. I did read on MHC's website and I quote "Homes needing structural repairs or deferred maintenance, per the home inspection, may be eligible through the use of purchase and repair mortgage like the HUD 203K." Which is what I am trying to do. I assume it may have something to do with the request of the new appraisal. (to get me through this 1% requirement) If we request one, I was under the impression that it will change the terms with my HUD contract, as it was based on their (HUD)appraisal. But I THOUGHT the bank would do their own appraisal anyway, regardless if it was a foreclosure or not. I am not sure. My information is coming in bits and pieces. I just don't understand why there isn't a handbook for these types of things! I second that motion for this being too stressful. I need a game plan that is time efficient. I'll keep you all posted.


Ok, I recieved some conditions for HBA loan approval from the loan officer yesterday. Everything is pretty simple, they just wanted to get some updated bank statements and other documents. Last items on the list PENDING HISTORICAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEWS which are ordered by MHC. From my understanding that is where the delays take place. I will give my loan officer the docs and hopefully we can close before the month is over.


Does anyone know how long the actual time is to receive the grant? I am just at the beginning of the process and called MHC today and they said that after they receive the appraisal in hand it takes an additional 5 to 7 weeks.


Just a pointer that could help speed things up; tell your loan officer to go ahead and send your grant packet to ms homecorp. A lot of the loan officers think that they need the appraisal back to process. Ms homecorp will just make the appraisal part of the conditions.

As for your question, I don't think anyone really has the answer to the length of time it takes right now. I called and they told me the same thing. They recieved my appraisal right before Thanksgiving. The only thing I am waiting for is the enviromental review. I will let you all know when I am clear to close. My LO says it has been moving pretty fast though. It's really a case by case basis I think.


Thanks for the info, I will call my loan officer tomorrow and see what she has sent in.


Well the 15th has come and went, and I'm with still with no house. Due to the house being built in 1976, MHC is asking for an asbestos and lead paint inspection, both of which you have to have a certified person do...and guess what? No one is available in the local area!

So I get my agent to get ahold of the seller and ask for an extension until sometime in January. No luck, the seller (i.e. the bank) will not go past Dec 30. I can understand them wanting them to get this off of their books for 2009, but apparently they are too dense to understand that if *I* don't buy the house, someone else will and will have to go through the same 2 month process.


My file was completed with mhc on Tuesday.(environmental review completed) The file was sent to ms authority for funding. Wonder how long that takes. LO says I may close by Dec. 30th.

Svallarian, I'm sorry you have to go thru that. That really sucks. If you don't buy this year do they have a back up offer already in place. If not, I suggest you have your agent go back and argue for you to the sellers agent that they will have to wait longer if they went with another buyer....etc..


Svallarian, have you offered to pay an extension fee if they will extend the contract?

My LO said she previously sent in my grant application last week and the appraisal was supposed to of been completed today. I am keeping my fingers crossed that since the house is just 2 years old maybe that will speed up the process.


Skipping 11 Messages...

I was set to close in the beginning in Feb, but then Renasant calls back and "Oh, we still had the loan in underwriting and MHC won't start until it's completed"..but they told me underwriting was done two weeks ago and that we were waiting on MHC.

I'm really really hoping I can refinance with Penfed so that renasant and BOA doesn't make any more money than I've already given them.

BTW, if you refninance an FHA loan you can get a refund of the upfront mortgage insurance fee and also remove the PMI requirements if your LTV value is low enough. (Mines like 68%, but I still have to pay FHA PMI for 5 years)




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