Came across this on yahoo and figured I'd post. BOA, to top off there slashing of people's credit lines, will now be charging a test group annual fees.
"NEW YORK – Bank of America Corp. said Tuesday it will charge a limited number of its credit card customers annual fees ranging from $29 to $99 starting next year.
"We're testing this to see what the feedback is. In terms of any plans going forward, we haven't made any decisions," said Betty Riess, a spokeswoman for Bank of America. She said the fee is being "tested" on 1 percent of its credit card accounts globally, but declined to give specific numbers.
Bank of America, based in Charlotte, N.C., had 80.2 million credit cards in circulation last year, making it the third-largest issuer of cards, according to CreditCards.com . Chase was first with 119.4 million cards, while Citi had 92 million.
The Bank of America accounts that will be charged fees were selected based on "risk and profitability," Riess said. That means customers in good standing who never carried a balance — and never incurred interest charges or late fees — could be among those getting notices.
The notices of the new fee comes after Bank of America last week vowed not to hike interest rates on credit cards ahead of the sweeping new credit-card reforms that go into effect in February. That pledge came as Congress considered moving up the effective date of the law to Dec. 1. Customers across the country have seen interest rates hiked and credit limits lowered since the law was signed in May.
Among other consumer protections, the law limits how and when banks can hike interest rates and fees on credit cards.
Analysts have predicted banks would make up lost revenue by charging annual fees more frequently on credit cards and checking accounts, even for customers in good standing.
"We are making this change in response to market conditions, new federal laws and regulations, and the increasing costs of providing unsecured credit," states a letter sent to a Bank of America credit-card customer and obtained by The Associated Press.
Customers are told that they can reject the fee, but will subsequently have their account closed. The deadline to reject the change of terms is Dec. 16.
Closing a credit card account can come with repercussions to a person's credit score, since it would lower the amount of available credit a person has access to.
Some Bank of America cards, such as airline rewards cards, already come with fees.
Chase also charges annual fees on select rewards cards, but a spokeswoman said the company has no plans to test annual fees on a broader basis. Wells Fargo said it does not "speculate on future business policies and practices."
A Citi representative could not be immediately reached for comment."
fcastro said: "We're testing this to see what the feedback is. In terms of any plans going forward, we haven't made any decisions," said Betty Riess, a spokeswoman for Bank of America. She said the fee is being "tested" on 1 percent of its credit card accounts globally, but declined to give specific numbers." Prediction: It will fail due to competition unless people are sleeping on the wheel.
dumroo said: fcastro said: "We're testing this to see what the feedback is. In terms of any plans going forward, we haven't made any decisions," said Betty Riess, a spokeswoman for Bank of America. She said the fee is being "tested" on 1 percent of its credit card accounts globally, but declined to give specific numbers." Prediction: It will fail due to competition unless people are sleeping on the wheel.
This is bank of America we are talking about. 3/4 of the people won't even read the notice saying there is a fee and i bet 1/3 don't even notice the fee once it is in effect and being charged.
wesleman
Senior Member
posted: Oct. 13, 2009 @ 8:09p
Not necessarily... For some reasons, a lot of people stick with BofA, like a lot of people stuck with AOL Dial-up connection in the early broadband years, simply because of its massive branch and ATM presences, i.e., convenience and familiarity or they are basically too lazy to switch.
It seems hard to believe but not everyone reads FWF, you know...
dumroo said: Prediction: It will fail due to competition unless people are sleeping on the wheel.
juggler451
Member
posted: Oct. 13, 2009 @ 8:28p
fcastro said: "We're testing this to see what the feedback is..."
I for one would love that fee. I'm hoping to be part of the lucky 1%. It'd be even better if I got the $99 fee and not just the $29 one.
vstrt
Senior Member
posted: Oct. 13, 2009 @ 8:36p
Their commercials are nauseating. I can just picture the morons who will gladly pay this fee as they accept a 1% rate of return on their CDs.
...BTW, I would love to be one of the lucky ones who get this fee. I'll love telling BOA what they can do with their card and their fee.
bustgum
Member
posted: Oct. 13, 2009 @ 8:42p
People who have already received the fee notice have been discussing it in this thread.
Some have indicated that they will pay the fee in order to preserve their credit line or the grandfathered MBNA billpay feature. There appears to be a fear of contacting BofA because any kind of contact seems to lead to all of a customer's credit lines being chopped.
screw them. I wont pay any new fees for BOA cards. If they send me any fee notices goodbye. I am dumping AMEX green also even if I had it for 16 yrs. 55.00 just isnt worth it.
bustgum said: People who have already received the fee notice have been discussing it in this thread.
Some have indicated that they will pay the fee in order to preserve their credit line or the grandfathered MBNA billpay feature. There appears to be a fear of contacting BofA because any kind of contact seems to lead to all of a customer's credit lines being chopped.
Kudos for your skills into extracting the essential. Too bad I don't own a newspaper to extend you an employment offer
FatSally
Senior Member
posted: Oct. 13, 2009 @ 11:45p
My oldest card is a Bank of America visa that was once an Alaska Airlines card from I think seafirst bank or something. When I converted it to a regular gold visa many years ago there was a $20 annual fee that I would have to call each year to have removed. Even though this is my only card that gives me no points, no rewards and no Cash Back I would hate to cancel one of my very first cards.
vstrt
Senior Member
posted: Oct. 13, 2009 @ 11:55p
bustgum said: People who have already received the fee notice have been discussing it in this thread.
Some have indicated that they will pay the fee in order to preserve their credit line or the grandfathered MBNA billpay feature. There appears to be a fear of contacting BofA because any kind of contact seems to lead to all of a customer's credit lines being chopped.
They can take their cherished/prized credit lines and shove them up their you know what.
tolamapS
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Oct. 14, 2009 @ 12:19a
Bank of America: "We have a great new program. We choose a random set of lucky customers, ask them to bend over, and give them in the rear hard, without lube".
"We hope the program is well received. Why should not it? It is a great improvement in customer satisfaction."
fcastro said: The Bank of America accounts that will be charged fees were selected based on "risk and profitability," Riess said. That means customers in good standing who never carried a balance — and never incurred interest charges or late fees — could be among those getting notices.
YAY! Financially responsible people get punished again. Should I start missing payments on purpose now? Or cancel my 13 year old card later?
I've been with Boa for over 12 years,never paid one fee for nothing pays to know all the tellers at your local branch.
jbucha01
New Member
posted: Oct. 14, 2009 @ 9:59a
this is terrible. enough is enough. If they put an annual fee on my card i'm canceling it. recently BofA doubled my interest rates on two of my cards for no reason other than they could. No merit or principal to hiking my rates. I can't wait to pay them off and never do business with BofA ever again. I have never been late ever in the 8 years I've been a loyal customer.
lifescool111
Member
posted: Oct. 14, 2009 @ 10:00a
icewinsagain said: I've been with Boa for over 12 years,never paid one fee for nothing pays to know all the tellers at your local branch.
Who cares about making a relationship with tellers. I visit the bank once a month on an average to deposit checks and take out cash (for places that dont accept credit cards). So to now force myself spend 30 minutes a week making idle chat with teller for the possibility that i can save a few bucks in fees is an absolute waste of time. Tellers are a dying breed and most of their function has been replaced with the ATM and online money transfer.
Unless one has a business, it is really unnecessary to ever go inside a bank (except maybe for a bank safe locker box).
qcumber98 said: fcastro said: The Bank of America accounts that will be charged fees were selected based on "risk and profitability," Riess said. That means customers in good standing who never carried a balance — and never incurred interest charges or late fees — could be among those getting notices.
YAY! Financially responsible people get punished again. Should I start missing payments on purpose now? Or cancel my 13 year old card later?
It's part of the financial coup d'etat - they will take our money one way or another to cover the financial industry's bad bets. Take it via taxpayer bailouts, trading volatility which rakes in trading fees, changing the order of transactions to maximize fees, adding fees to credit cards, jacking credit card rates, etc.
lifescool111 said: icewinsagain said: I've been with Boa for over 12 years,never paid one fee for nothing pays to know all the tellers at your local branch.
Who cares about making a relationship with tellers. I visit the bank once a month on an average to deposit checks and take out cash (for places that dont accept credit cards). So to now force myself spend 30 minutes a week making idle chat with teller for the possibility that i can save a few bucks in fees is an absolute waste of time. Tellers are a dying breed and most of their function has been replaced with the ATM and online money transfer.
Unless one has a business, it is really unnecessary to ever go inside a bank (except maybe for a bank safe locker box). I do 2 of the 3 so no waste of time
lifescool111 said: icewinsagain said: I've been with Boa for over 12 years,never paid one fee for nothing pays to know all the tellers at your local branch.
Who cares about making a relationship with tellers. I visit the bank once a month on an average to deposit checks and take out cash (for places that dont accept credit cards). So to now force myself spend 30 minutes a week making idle chat with teller for the possibility that i can save a few bucks in fees is an absolute waste of time. Tellers are a dying breed and most of their function has been replaced with the ATM and online money transfer.
Unless one has a business, it is really unnecessary to ever go inside a bank (except maybe for a bank safe locker box).
Hard to pick up the cute little tellers if you never go in....
Whatatay
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Oct. 15, 2009 @ 6:37a
Because the fee is not justified at all, we are a bending over a small test group of our customers to see if they will take it. If so, we will stick it to the rest of our customers.
If you bank with BOA, you get what you deserve.
Revike
Senior Member
posted: Oct. 15, 2009 @ 7:12a
tante said: I hope other banks don't start to follow what BOA is doing. Hopefully the word gets out and people check their statements for an annual fee. BOA is not the first to do this. Citi started doing their own similar tests with 500,000 cardholders in August - there were several test versions with annual fees between $30 and $90. In some Citi versions, AF is charged up front and then after 12 months it is credited if purchases topped $2400. In other Citi versions, AF is charged if previous 12 months purchases did not top $2400.
Banks are notorious copycats, so it's almost guaranteed that other banks will test similar annual-fee-for-reward-cards schemes, now that they've seen what Citi and BOA are thinking ...
I think surprise fee would be a problem for many people here because people have accumulated 50-100 cards due to AORs.
I won't notice the fee until I get flagged for non payment in my credit reports. I have over 70 credit cards due to balance transfers over the years. I only get e-statements from most of them and since it is always 0 balance, I never get any statements. I wonder if it it is possible to miss some fee only statements and go into default.
Maybe I should start pruning my collection. Discover is the most useless card that I never use and never log into. That is probably the first to go
needdealsnow said: I think surprise fee would be a problem for many people here because people have accumulated 50-100 cards due to AORs.
I won't notice the fee until I get flagged for non payment in my credit reports. I have over 70 credit cards due to balance transfers over the years. I only get e-statements from most of them and since it is always 0 balance, I never get any statements. I wonder if it it is possible to miss some fee only statements and go into default.
Maybe I should start pruning my collection. Discover is the most useless card that I never use and never log into. That is probably the first to go
If you have a spare afternoon, put all the accounts into a Yodlee account. you could quickly scan it regularly to see if any balances are >$0.
Trojan35
Member
posted: Oct. 15, 2009 @ 12:50p
Revike said: tante said: I hope other banks don't start to follow what BOA is doing. Hopefully the word gets out and people check their statements for an annual fee. BOA is not the first to do this. Citi started doing their own similar tests with 500,000 cardholders in August - there were several test versions with annual fees between $30 and $90. In some Citi versions, AF is charged up front and then after 12 months it is credited if purchases topped $2400. In other Citi versions, AF is charged if previous 12 months purchases did not top $2400.
Banks are notorious copycats, so it's almost guaranteed that other banks will test similar annual-fee-for-reward-cards schemes, now that they've seen what Citi and BOA are thinking ...
So they want their responsible customers who they make a free 2-5% on every transaction to pay for their losses on the individuals who don't pay them back? What's next, you charge people with high credit scores more to pay for those who have low scores and will default?
Good luck with that.
blair222
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Oct. 15, 2009 @ 2:16p
In regards to A-mex, as well as other credit cards, this is what our government has brought us now. I have had an A-mEx card for 30 years, (1st credit card I ever got) 2 years ago I did a 20k BT at 3.99% for life. I changed my auto pay to a different bank in July and somehow missed a payment. I called A-mEx as soon as I got the missed payment alert in my email and thought I got it taken care of, fee removed and no change in the rate. I am sure I confirmed all this, since I had never had this happen before. Unfortunately two months passed before I looked at my statement closely and when I did, I saw A-mEx had defaulted me to 27.9%!!! OMG- I almost fainted. That was 270.00 per month for two months in interest, so a total of 540.00 in interest! ( the balance was under 10k at this point) I called up just sick, and they said there was nothing they could do, I spoke to management and I called 4 different times because I have never had this kind of service with A-mEx. I ended up paying it off ASAP but not before I had racked up another 15 days at that rate. Horrible. This is the state of credit cards now. My credit is 840, and I had this card for 30 years and this is what is happening. I was shocked, truly shocked by the lack of concern on their part and the sheer "we don't give a shite about you" attitude they gave me. I have their Costco A-MEX, and I guess I need to keep that, but I am so done with A-MEX now. I barely use credit cards, only for certain rewards, and I used to use them for the 0% no fee deals, but I have not seen one of those for a very long time now. Also a good story about the importance of checking your statements each month with an eagle eye. That mistake cost me over $700.00. OUCH
I have stopped dealing with BOA. Customer service is horrible. For any issue, I had to talk to at least 3-4 different departments at BOA. I had to spend countless number of hours to resolve it.
I have closed all my checking, Saving, Credit cards and CDs that I had with BOA. I moved them to my credit union and local community bank.
Grim
Senior Member
posted: Oct. 15, 2009 @ 11:14p
Got a notice that my Quantum card will be assessed an annual fee of $39 on the first day of each December billing cycle. I've had the card for many years and always pay in full. I closed it minutes after receiving the notice.
cameron2003
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Oct. 16, 2009 @ 10:54a
Next will be the testing of no grace periods. The worst of times...
georgepds
Member
posted: Oct. 18, 2009 @ 11:54a
jbucha01 said: this is terrible. enough is enough. If they put an annual fee on my card i'm canceling it. ...
I just canceled all my BOA cc, why wait? Thanks to Fat wallet BOA is a source of free money (KTC program). I got ~$1250 last year, and am scheduled to do the same this year.
I started paying close attention to BOA fees when they slapped a $20 overdraft fee. I'd used overdraft , with no such extortionate fees, for years in the previous bank that was acquired by BOA. So now it's tit for tat
BOA -$20 KTC +$1250
Net $1230
aidswater
Member
posted: Oct. 18, 2009 @ 12:56p
For anyone at BoA doing market research: I will dump any banking or lending institution that tacks on an annual fee in a heartbeat. I don't just mean close that single credit card account, I mean terminate my entire banking and investing relationship with them.
(Then I'll come back and grab up a few promo or BT offers out of spite.)
cameron2003 said: Next will be the testing of no grace periods. The worst of times...grace period is required by law.
Revike
Senior Member
posted: Oct. 18, 2009 @ 3:40p
SegaRob said: cameron2003 said: Next will be the testing of no grace periods. The worst of times...grace period is required by law. I don't believe that is true. Balance transfers and cash advances do not have grace periods before interest starts accruing. Despite being touted as a victory for consumers, financial experts said the bill could have unintended consequences as credit card companies look for ways to make up for potential lost revenue. Those measures could include more cards with annual fees and the loss of a grace period before interest accrues, which would affect even those consumers who pay off their balance each month.
blair222 said: In regards to A-mex, as well as other credit cards, this is what our government has brought us now.I don't understand what you think the government had to do with this...?
Revike said: SegaRob said: cameron2003 said: Next will be the testing of no grace periods. The worst of times...grace period is required by law. I don't believe that is true. Balance transfers and cash advances do not have grace periods before interest starts accruing. Despite being touted as a victory for consumers, financial experts said the bill could have unintended consequences as credit card companies look for ways to make up for potential lost revenue. Those measures could include more cards with annual fees and the loss of a grace period before interest accrues, which would affect even those consumers who pay off their balance each month.I guess you're right. I was mistaken.
The actual law is that: Credit card issuers must mail the billing statement at least 21 days before the due date. If there is a grace period, the grace period must extend 21 days after statement is mailed. (Effective Date: August 20, 2009)
Lucky me...I just received one of these letters....what a crock
I received a letter in the mail that the Bank of America WorldPoints Card has changed its agreement to include a $39 Annual Fee.
For as much as I use the card, it makes no to have a card with an annual fee. The problem is that they will not remove the annual fee without canceling the card, which I don't want to do because this is my oldest card in terms of credit history.
Furthurmore, they "do not have the capabilities" to transfer my account over to a card that doesn't have an annual fee.
Any suggestions?
peteypablo
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Oct. 19, 2009 @ 7:00p
Yes. Take one for the team. Tell BOA you won't stand for being a guinea pig and you want to close your account. You may get a retention offer.
Bank of America Advantage checking account holders may notice service fees starting this month because the minimum balance has not been met. One might ask, "What is the minimum balance requirement?". Called on 3 separate occasions and the responses have been 4000, 5000, and 7500. Two of those responses have come from a manager/supervisor within a span of 3 days.
I never mentioned to BOA that I had previously been below all 3 of those minimums. A few years ago, I asked about the perks/requirements when I was "upgraded" to the advantage status and was told the minimum balance was 4000 but it was never enforced.
Having the fees waived is possible but you have to remember to keep your minimum (with an interest rate of probably 0.25%) of whatever it is on that day, depending on the phase of the moon exactly 777 nights ago. Otherwise you'll be calling for it to be waived again the following month. When I had mine waived, the manager mentioned that she would do it but only because I hadn't had any balance adjustments in the past 6 months.
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