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there goes the neighborhood ....

Top Democrats in the Senate have reached an agreement to extend the soon-to-expire $8,000 tax credit for first-time homebuyers, Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd said Tuesday.

"We have that. Done," Dodd told reporters.

He declined to specify the details of the agreement.

But a Republican who has worked with Dodd cautioned that they were still negotiating on the measure, which could come up for a vote Tuesday evening as part of a package that would extend unemployment benefits.

"We're close, we're close but I can't get into any details until it's a done deal," said Republican Senator Johnny Isakson.

The popular tax credit, which has helped lift the housing market out of its worst slump since the Great Depression, is set to expire on Nov. 30.

Dodd and Isakson want to extend the credit through June of next year and broaden it to anyone buying a primary residence, not just first-time buyers.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid had backed a narrower version which would extend the full credit through March and gradually phase it out through the end of 2010.

Dodd said that the deal would merge the two proposals.

The House, which would also need to approve the measure, has yet to act.

The issue is front and center for financial markets. U.S. stocks sold off and the dollar moved sharply higher on Monday after a misleading media headline said research firm ISI Group had written that the tax credit probably would not be extended when it expires Nov. 30.

A Senate vote is expected around 6 pm Tuesday on whether to take up a bill to extend insurance benefits for unemployed workers.

If Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid can get the 60 votes needed to do that, it would clear the way for further votes and he has said he would offer a tax credit extension as an amendment.

It is not clear when those votes would take place. While it is possible those votes could come later on Tuesday night, they are more likely to be pushed to later this week or next week.

The White House has raised concerns about the cost of expanding the credit. Lawrence Summers, President Barack Obama's top economic adviser, told Reuters last week that the administration would be open to extending the existing credit but wants to see it remain focused on first-time buyers.


Simply extending the current tax credit is estimated to cost $1 billion a month.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi appears to be waiting to take her cue from the Senate. Asked about the tax credit earlier this month, the California Democrat said "the question is, would that be just first-time homeowners or would you open it up to other purchasers of homes?"

A House Democratic aide said House leaders would likely adopt whatever language the Senate approves, which would avoid the need for negotiations to reach a compromise. Unlike the Senate, the House has already passed an extension of benefits for unemployment insurance.
Copyright 2009 Reuters.


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I'm waiting for it to expire. At the price range I'm looking, I think I'll save a lot more than $8k once this artificial subsidy dries up.


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Investors would solve this housing crisis if they government would give them/us any incentive.

"I think I'll save a lot more than $8k once this artificial subsidy dries up."

Same here. The homes sitting on the market for the last year (in my area) are still sitting, but the owners won't come off the price because they're praying/hoping for one of these suckers (um...I mean first time homebuyers) to come along.


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Crazytree said:I'm waiting for it to expire. At the price range I'm looking, I think I'll save a lot more than $8k once this artificial subsidy dries up.

I've heard from several agents here in Austin (where the housing market is still pretty good) that in the sub-200K market the credit has just served to boost prices.


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Me as well. Grossly inflated prices in my range due to the damn 8k credit... Was hoping it would be gone for good by Dec, so I could see some reasonable prices.


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...bleach, to be expected, but still a bummer. All these NAR shirlls and lobbyists behind this homedebtor bribe need to go DIAF.

Part of me beleives that many otherwise resonable folks here in the bubble areas that have been subject to this crud for the past 6-8 years are suffering from a form of Stockholm Syndrome since they are now conviced that inflated prices make sense and that income, affordability, and jobs don't matter.


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Real growth comes from unfettered private sector investment and activity, not from predatory government programs.


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Artificially inflating prices, increasing the deficit and drawing much-needed capital from the real, producing economy, all in one shot.

Thanks guys!


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Well, now, those "inflated" prices are good for the sellers, aren't they? And the sellers will then have $$ to spend to boost (oops!) the economy.


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The local paper had an article about the details of the new program from a blog post here.

Some details:

First-time buyers (those who have not owned a home for three years) can claim an $8,000 credit. Homeowners who buy a new principal residence after living in their current home for at least the last five years can claim up to $6,500.

Income limits: $125,000 a year for individuals, $225,000 a year for married couples.


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ThursdaysChild said:Well, now, those "inflated" prices are good for the sellers, aren't they? And the sellers will then have $$ to spend to boost (oops!) the economy.

Unfortunately, that fallacy is a distant relative of the broken windows fallacy. If those houses were sold at their normal price, the sellers of cars, computers. meals, sculptures, high-tech machinery, desks - that is, everything else - would have the same extra money to spend.

It is foolish for a country whose currency is suffering from a current account deficit to subsidize an industry that cannot be exported. I'm not against stimulus in general, I'm just against the dumb part.


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Not saying I support this damn thing, but in typical American style, I surely want to get mine. ...so, the non-first-time-buyer inclusion now, is that just for purchases made after this bill gets signed? Or going all the way back to the initial credit? I bought my second home (after 7 years in my first) this past April. I'm guessing I'm going to be hosed on claiming any credit?


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Universal Housing Care.


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Xnarg said:Universal Housing Care.I just wish that those opposed to this Govt give-a-way program had been equally opposed to the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 in which we were all given $1,200 bribes, errr, economic stimulus checks.


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Let's get rid of welfare and food stamps. When 12% of the population receives food stamps, there is something really wrong with the economy.


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Crazytree said:I'm waiting for it to expire. At the price range I'm looking, I think I'll save a lot more than $8k once this artificial subsidy dries up.

Especially people using FHA loans. A $8,000 tax credit magically becomes a down payment for a $228,000 house using 28:1 leverage. Most Americans have 0 savings so the price will have to come down quite a bit once the government stops propping up the market.

Message edited by: brettdoyle on 2009-10-30 10:32:07 CDT
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so fundamentals like 3x income doesn't matter anymore?


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Crazytree said:I'm waiting for it to expire. At the price range I'm looking, I think I'll save a lot more than $8k once this artificial subsidy dries up.

You actually think it's going to expire? By the time it does house prices will be back to where they were before the crash


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I am curious how this is going to work for people that sell their house and rent for a little while and want to buy again. They say you have to live in your house for 5 years. What if you lived for 3 years, sold, and then bought something before the tax credit expires. I know you wouldn't get the 8k. But what about the 6500?


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