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Right or wrong, I'm extremely bearish on the economy in the near term. I expect many serious challenges, which, even if dealt with in an expedient way, will present hiccups for everyone in day to day living.

To that end, I've gone granny with my money. I've closed out all my banking accounts except those with institutions I am comfortable with (PenFed + Alliant credit union). I have a Bank of America free checking account but that's just for the convenience of making deposits to transfer into my other accounts.

Given the precarious state of our banking system, how much cash should I be keeping at home in case, say, one or multiple banks fail shortly and the ATM + debit credit networks they operate are shut down (even if only temporarily)?

I'm trying to find the balance between paranoia and practicality. So far, my instinct is I should have enough cash, mainly in smaller denominations, to pay for one week's worth of expenses (gas, food, monthly utility bills, heating/cooling supplies, money to purchase emergency supplies like wood for the fireplace/flashlights/batteries/candles/etc).

Just wondering what others think and if they are making preparations by keeping cash at home as well.

Or, is having cash the wrong approach? Should I be stocking up on supplies instead?



I keep $500 under my tin foil hat.


Triple B?


My house has an attached money bin where I keep all my gold coins in. It also doubles as a great swimming pool when I decide to swim in my coins.


Stock piling cash won't do you any good if the stores around you have nothing to sell during a disaster. If you're really paranoid, just stock pile a week's worth of supplies.


this topic comes up from time to time --- it is a normal male instinct to make sure you are prepared to protect your fort

if it makes you feel better --- I say there is nothing wrong with having well-trained guard dogs, guns and ammunition, and a 60 day supply of food and water

I am having trouble figuring out how to keep a beer supply untouched from use --- I am contemplating buy some really foul tasting beer and putting it in storage --- any suggestions?


germanpope said: this topic comes up from time to time --- it is a normal male instinct to make sure you are prepared to protect your fort

if it makes you feel better --- I say there is nothing wrong with having well-trained guard dogs, guns and ammunition, and a 60 day supply of food and water

I am having trouble figuring out how to keep a beer supply untouched from use --- I am contemplating buy some really foul tasting beer and putting it in storage --- any suggestions?

kegorator...with a spare keg at all times. In a SHTF scenario I could probably make more money selling beer than you have in your safe.


You're talking about the collapse of modern society for a little bit. I know most fatwalleters don't have much faith in government here, but they will make sure as far as they can to protect against a wholesale collapse of the payment industry.

You are only going to have 2 extremes. Total collapse of society, or business as usual. You should stockpile real supplies and not cash. How many places are going to gouge you if the shit hits the fan?

Don't stockpile cash.

If you're really worried, never let your car gas tank get below 1/2 full of beer. Make sure you have a supply of non-perishable beer. Beer, generator (for your kegerator), beer to run the generator, alternative cooling supplies (to make sure the beer stays cool, or make sure you have some english ale that can be enjoyed warm.


I think it's reasonable to have 1 to 2 months worth of living expenses in cash in case something like Katrina happens and you need to live in a hotel in a nearby state for a few weeks.

I think it's even more reasonable to keep a few months worth of Rx meds, stored food, water. Guns and ammo only if you're trained and willing to use it if necessary.


Common sense says come the collapse of civilization it would be better to already have the "emergency supplies like wood for the fireplace/flashlights/batteries/candles/etc" rather than to trot out among the zombies hordes to find a store with supplies and still interested in cash.


If the banking system collapses what makes you think that the paper money the government prints at will (and backs the banking system) will be worth anything? We would be into a BBB situation where you better have guns and food.


There is money in the banana stand....


Edit: I don't have much cash on hand. However, I got quite a few battle rifles and crates of ammo.


Obama4Prez said: My house has an attached money bin where I keep all my gold coins in. It also doubles as a great swimming pool when I decide to swim in my coins.
I've seen your house on TV, Mr. McDuck. Quite impressive.


Prepare for the collapse of the financial system the way you prepare for a zombie attack: With food, water, guns, ammo, and a few snappy catch phrases.


If it doesn't require a rubber band, you're not keeping enough on hand.


tripleB said: I think it's reasonable to have 1 to 2 months worth of living expenses in cash in case something like Katrina happens and you need to live in a hotel in a nearby state for a few weeks.

How exactly would having the *cash* help? In a "Katrina" situation (where the disaster is confined to a certain area), I would suppose that you would continue to be able to use your debit/credit cards and bank accounts, especially if you hold an account with a mega-corporate bank. And in that case, I suppose you might even be putting yourself at risk by holding the cash on hand...what if the cash were to be destroyed by some sort of other disaster?

Or (as has been mentioned) if there were an even worse situation that sent the banking system/economy/civilization into chaos, then your cash would probably not be very useful.


dmlavigne1 said: If the banking system collapses what makes you think that the paper money the government prints at will (and backs the banking system) will be worth anything? We would be into a BBB situation where you better have guns and food.
Well, if you have the guns, you can get the food


scottxmso said:
How exactly would having the *cash* help? In a "Katrina" situation (where the disaster is confined to a certain area), I would suppose that you would continue to be able to use your debit/credit cards and bank accounts, especially if you hold an account with a mega-corporate bank.

You could use the cash to buy supplies to get out of the Katrina territory or bribe people. I said 1 to 2 months living expenses. That's a few thousand dollars only. Cash is good leverage at the beginning of disasters.


My address is 123 main st, mobile, AL and I have $25,000 in cash


Keep gold and jewelry on hand for really dire situations. These can be used to procure escorts for soldiers from the occupying Military forces in exchange for favors to you.


We had a friend in New Orleans during Katrina, and it was a big help to wire some cash to her via a bank she was able to get to. It wasn't a huge amount, and I'm not sure how dire things really would have been for her without it.

Despite that, we normally have close to $0 cash. Though when we do grab a bit for a trip or something, it tends to linger for months. Worrying about a catastrophe seems unreasonable to me, but I will admit that I may be the least worry-prone person I know.


You need food, water and guns - not cash. What good are little green pieces of paper if society collapses (which is the scenario the OP is suggesting)?


I'd say keep 1-2K in smaller bills (20's and 50's)

Get a good fire safe and bolt it to the floor - keep your gold and cash in there.

This is enough $ to get you gas, food, hotel etc.. in case there is an emergency (blackout, computers go out) so that you could still pay cash for for items, pay at a hotel, etc.

I think of a 9-11 / NYC blackout. you need enough $ to pay someone to drive you somewhere, eat, and sleep for 2-3 days (I think $2k should cover it)

In addition, you can use that $ as your petty cash fund throughout the year.

pay people cash for household repairs, tips, lunch $ etc.


Good timing for this topic, as just yesterday, a fiber optic line was cutting going into our city.
That one line caused everyone in the city to lose phone service (landline and cell phone), and 3/4 of the business couldn't process CC transactions. Some of the banks even closed yesterday, because they could not do anything!
All the big busines (Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Lowes, etc) couldn't do CC transactions, as they either have T1's or some other type of internet provided by the phone company. Only business which received their internet from the cable company could do CC transactions.
Now this only lasted a day, but what if you didn't have cash? Some business won't even take a check if they can't process the check through telecheck, or some other processing company.
It's always a good idea to have SOME cash. I try to keep at least $100 in my safe at all times. It's not very much, but would be enough that I could easily survive a couple days without the help of a bank.


Cashman said: There is money in the banana stand....


Edit: I don't have much cash on hand. However, I got quite a few battle rifles and crates of ammo.

+1 for the Bluths!


I keep enough for the pizza boy and (ummmm.... how should I say this...) other late night activities.


too often people undesirable characters find out about these people and victimize them. Careful, else you might be making yourself more of a target instead.


I remember reading here a while ago about someone having "balanced" portfolio:

They keep half their money stuffed in their mattress. The other half is buried in a bottle in their backyard.


I've read some threads on this forum about banks freezing people's accounts for little to no reason, so I advocate spreading your money at a couple or more banks to avoid being penniless for a few days. If someone makes fraudulent charges on your debit card, it usually takes a little time to refund the account as well.

Keep as much cash on hand as you think you need to make do for a few days or get out of town. A couple of years ago, an ice storm took out the electric grid in my community for nearly a week. Gas stations and grocery stores brought in generators to keep the gas pumps and fridge/freezers working, but not the ATM machines or registers.


I think a billion dollars cash on hand would take care of things nicely.

Personally, I usually keep only $40-$80 cash on hand, plus what might be in my wallet (normally less than $50).

Banks do not freeze people's accounts for no reason; there's always a reason.


Whatever you do, don't go flashing it around like this woman

Actually if you have supermarkets around you don't need to have any cash on hand at home as most of them will give you you up to $200 at the checkout with a debit card or $40 with a Discover card; if stormy weather is headed your way STOCK UP!


Unless, of course, you're living in a Cheech and Chong film

In a real disaster cash isn't going to do you any good, not as much as cans of beans and german shepard puppies anyway


Believe Warren Zevon, man. "Lawyers, guns and money" - minus the lawyers, of course. Replace them with bullets.

Actually, minus the money also.


Dazarath said: If it doesn't require a rubber band, you're not keeping enough on hand.
If it doesn't require a wheelbarrow, you're not living in Zimbabwe.


Mr. Beer Kit will be quite helpful


If I could only remember where I buried that jar


Why I keep hearing the idea of having six months worth of cash or something easily convertible around as the minimal?


with or without the dollar coin game with the US mint?


hkgfnt said: Why I keep hearing the idea of having six months worth of cash or something easily convertible around as the minimal?

Turn the channel and get away from Suze Orman.


hkgfnt said: Why I keep hearing the idea of having six months worth of cash or something easily convertible around as the minimal?

That's not cash you should keep at home. That's the conservative minimum you should have in savings in case you lose your job so you can continue making your mortgage payments and whatnot.


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Tony Soprano stored cash in his duck food container. Just make sure your trash-blonde wife doesn't find it.




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