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I think we all need to get married eventually but we just don't want to lose any $$$ when divorce comes. I like to get married as many times as possible but I just don't want to pay any $$$$ for divorcing. There is no point for doing that because the love is over.
article said:Men accounted for 97% of alimony-payers last year, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, although the share of women supporting ex-husbands is on the rise.
Hmmm... this is interesting. Now we know today wives make more than husbands in 25% of the housholds. Yet somehow men account for 97% of all alimoney-payers? Now either those rich-wife families don't divorce, or something is amiss with the supposed equality of genders under the current law.
Message edited by: youngchemist2003 on 2009-11-01 15:46:01 CST
vistaluck said:I think we all need to get married eventually but we just don't want to lose any $$$ when divorce comes. I like to get married as many times as possible but I just don't want to pay any $$$$ for divorcing. There is no point for doing that because the love is over.stop marrying broke girls with bad credit and a LV bag habit, and start marrying the rich ones with lots of family wealth.
Then youll MAKE money everytime you get married and divorced
youngchemist2003 said:article said:Men accounted for 97% of alimony-payers last year, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, although the share of women supporting ex-husbands is on the rise.
Hmmm... this is interesting. Now we know today wives make more than husbands in 25% of the housholds. Yet somehow men account for 97% of all alimoney-payers? Now either those rich-wife families don't divorce, or something is amiss with the supposed equality of genders under the current law. These census statistics are taking into account alimony agreements that may have been set up 10-20 years ago, whereas the fact that women are outearning men is a very recent phenomena. So the census statistics will be more heavily weighted to the earlier times when most men made more than women.
The real problem highlighted in this article is that some people agreed to no alimony in their divorce settlement and years later ask for a rehearing. Once people have signed an agreement (provided they had sufficient understanding of the agreement) they should have to abide by it. One question I had is what if the former spouse moves out of the original state. Does the ex-wife have legal standing to sue the former husband in her state court for alimony if the former husband doesn't live in that state?
SUCKISSTAPLES said:stop marrying broke girls with bad credit and a LV bag habit, and start marrying the rich ones with lots of family wealth. Then youll MAKE money everytime you get married and divorced I'm sure you are joking but no one should expect to come out of a divorce with more than they had in the marriage. Numerous studies have shown that divorced partners are individually worse off financially than married couples. Living expenses are generally higher (per person) for people living alone than as a couple. Single people do not have another person to count on for financial support when they loose their job or develop a serious medical condition. In addition getting divorced can be a very expensive process (I've heard of normal middle class people paying lawyer fees of $10-30K in a highly disputed divorce).
biomedeng said:youngchemist2003 said:article said:Men accounted for 97% of alimony-payers last year, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, although the share of women supporting ex-husbands is on the rise.
Hmmm... this is interesting. Now we know today wives make more than husbands in 25% of the housholds. Yet somehow men account for 97% of all alimoney-payers? Now either those rich-wife families don't divorce, or something is amiss with the supposed equality of genders under the current law. These census statistics are taking into account alimony agreements that may have been set up 10-20 years ago, whereas the fact that women are outearning men is a very recent phenomena. So the census statistics will be more heavily weighted to the earlier times when most men made more than women.
So you are saying that in the 80's and 90's, only 3% of the wives out earned their husbands?
I agree with you in that there is a shift in the overall earning power of women, but there are couple of things.
(1) I doubt that the % of higher earning wives increased by 800% in 10-20 years. (2) most divorce happen well before 10 years of marriage. Most common being 5 or 7 years depend on the sources.
youngchemist2003 said:biomedeng said:youngchemist2003 said:article said:Men accounted for 97% of alimony-payers last year, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, although the share of women supporting ex-husbands is on the rise.
So you are saying that in the 80's and 90's, only 3% of the wives out earned their husbands?
He's saying that less than 3% of wives out earned their husbands. If the number is 25% right now, it would have to have been less than 3% to make the current average 3% (lots less).
biomedeng said:no one should expect to come out of a divorce with more than they had in the marriage. Ask the girls who dated investment bankers what they think about that
youngchemist2003 said:So you are saying that in the 80's and 90's, only 3% of the wives out earned their husbands?
I agree with you in that there is a shift in the overall earning power of women, but there are couple of things.
(1) I doubt that the % of higher earning wives increased by 800% in 10-20 years. (2) most divorce happen well before 10 years of marriage. Most common being 5 or 7 years depend on the sources. I don't know what it was like in the 80s as far as women outearning men. My point was that you cannot say that because currently 25% of women outearn men that the alimony statistics (that take into account older divorce agrements) should be 25% of women pay alimony to men. I do agree with you that in general the divorce courts are pro-women when it comes to financial settlements. However, IMHO this trend is rapidly changing. In the article posted by the OP there is even calls for reform to end alimony payments when the ex-spouse begins a new romantic relationship with someone else (even if they don't get married--eliminating the situation where someone refuses to get married to the new partner so they can keep collecting alimony). Also calls to reform allimony to eliminate it when the spouse cheats or commits a crime. One could also examine whether or not men are more hesitant to demand alimony when their wives outearn them. Or maybe the families where women outearn men weren't always that way throughout the relationship and the court takes that into consideration. Regarding your comment on shorter marriages, I was under the impression that some states do not award alimony (or award less) if the marriage was below a certain number of years.
SUCKISSTAPLES said:biomedeng said:no one should expect to come out of a divorce with more than they had in the marriage. Ask the girls who dated investment bankers what they think about that Dating does not equal marriage. I am guessing those girls are wanting to get married so they can tap into the guys money. The best financial solution is to stay married to the rich guy so you can keep using his money. Divorcing him may get you 1/2 of the current money but then you are also missing out on future income he will make later on in life.
youngchemist2003 said:article said:Men accounted for 97% of alimony-payers last year, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, although the share of women supporting ex-husbands is on the rise.
Hmmm... this is interesting. Now we know today wives make more than husbands in 25% of the housholds. Yet somehow men account for 97% of all alimoney-payers? Now either those rich-wife families don't divorce, or something is amiss with the supposed equality of genders under the current law.
Husbands of wives who make more may be nicer to their wives, or less machismo to begin with, and therefore less likely to start arguments that lead to divorce?
biomedeng said:Divorcing him may get you 1/2 of the current money but then you are also missing out on future income he will make later on in life. That's why they divorce after they've found their next host with a bigger paycheck.
TxAggieJen said:Husbands of wives who make more may be nicer to their wives, or less machismo to begin with, and therefore less likely to start arguments that lead to divorce? Yes, guys start arguments that lead to divorce; ones like "You spent my paycheck on a bag?" If a woman buys her Prada bag with her extra earnings her man is much less likely to make a fuss over it. Seriously speaking, most divorces do spring from financial/consumer problems and I'd bet most couples in which the woman outearns her mate make more than the median.
biomedeng said:youngchemist2003 said:article said:Men accounted for 97% of alimony-payers last year, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, although the share of women supporting ex-husbands is on the rise.
Hmmm... this is interesting. Now we know today wives make more than husbands in 25% of the housholds. Yet somehow men account for 97% of all alimoney-payers? Now either those rich-wife families don't divorce, or something is amiss with the supposed equality of genders under the current law. These census statistics are taking into account alimony agreements that may have been set up 10-20 years ago, whereas the fact that women are outearning men is a very recent phenomena. So the census statistics will be more heavily weighted to the earlier times when most men made more than women. Whatever... I could see that skewing it a little, maybe 85:15%, but 97 to 3% freakin percent?! Equality across genders; ha!
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