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I know I've read a thread in this forum about Roth IRA's for a child, but despite searching I can not find it.

I want to setup a Roth IRA for my step-daughter mainly to help pay for her college. She's 12 years old. My question is does she have to have W-2 income, or can it just be income she's earned from doing things like mowing our lawn, etc. if it's well documented per our records?

Thanks


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nevus said:I know I've read a thread in this forum about Roth IRA's for a child, but despite searching I can not find it.

I want to setup a Roth IRA for my step-daughter mainly to help pay for her college. She's 12 years old. My question is does she have to have W-2 income, or can it just be income she's earned from doing things like mowing our lawn, etc. if it's well documented per our records?

Thanks

If the idea is to help pay for college, why not a 529, which can be from any source (incl. just a gift from parents)?
As for Roth eligibility, any earned income should qualify; keep good records for everything and if necessary file tax returns for her.


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nevus said:She's 12 years old. My question is does she have to have W-2 income, or can it just be income she's earned from doing things like mowing our lawn, etc. if it's well documented per our records?

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Sure it can be for doing things like mowing your line, provided it falls under child labor provisions of your state, and you issue her a 1099, pay disability insurance, and have her pay 15% self employment tax.

FYI: IRA = Individual Retirement Account
529 = Educational Account

Save money for her in a 529 instead.


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The following works for many (one-size fits most):

In this order:

1) MAX a 529 plan in grandma's name (parent's names as secondary owners; child as beneficiary)
2) MAX a ROTH IRA in parent name (principal contributions can be withdrawn tax/penalty free)

When applying for financial aid (FAFSA), there will be no assets of the child. (http://www.savingforcollege.com/intro_to_529s/does-a-529-plan-af...


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jackcrawfish said:The following works for many (one-size fits most):

In this order:

1) MAX a 529 plan in grandma's name (parent's names as secondary owners; child as beneficiary)
2) MAX a ROTH IRA in parent name (principal contributions can be withdrawn tax/penalty free)

When applying for financial aid (FAFSA), there will be no assets of the child. (http://www.savingforcollege.com/intro_to_529s/does-a-529-plan-af...

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Is there any additional benefit to having grandparent as the owner and parent(s) as the secondary owner, as opposed to simply the parent(s) being the owner? A quick read of the document you linked didnt say anything on that.


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Another plus for the 529:

If she gets knocked up and doesn't go to college you can always switch the beneficiary to the grandchild.


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Rayout said:Another plus for the 529:

If she gets knocked up and doesn't go to college you can always switch the beneficiary to the grandchild.

What if grandchild gets knocked up? There's limited transferring allowed.


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I tought about it for my sittuation, but i really did not have the courage to take that road because i found out following pluses and minuses follow this link

Previously discussed and 529 won

Message edited by: ergenekon on 2009-11-05 01:50:49 CST
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tripleB said:Rayout said:Another plus for the 529:

If she gets knocked up and doesn't go to college you can always switch the beneficiary to the grandchild.


What if grandchild gets knocked up? There's limited transferring allowed.

The daughter getting knocked up is due to poor parenting, so it really doesn't matter.


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jackcrawfish said:The following works for many (one-size fits most):

In this order:

1) MAX a 529 plan in grandma's name (parent's names as secondary owners; child as beneficiary)
2) MAX a ROTH IRA in parent name (principal contributions can be withdrawn tax/penalty free)

When applying for financial aid (FAFSA), there will be no assets of the child. (http://www.savingforcollege.com/intro_to_529s/does-a-529-plan-af...

There are some real pitfalls with this advice. Having grandma be the owner means that it is grandma's money. She has the ability to do anything that she wants with the money. If she gets old and cranky, she may decide that she's not giving the money to the grandaughter. Unless the money is only being used for senior year, having grandma own the account is actually detrimental to financial aid. It's true that it won't be counted as an asset, but when the money is actually used, it will typically be treated as income for the student. Income is typically a bigger part of the aid picture than assets.

The problem with using a Roth IRA is that by using the principal, you'll be losing out on decades of tax free growth.


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