The amount of paperwork I am in contact with on a daily basis continues to rise and is infuriating. I just don't like the idea of having to put it somewhere when I can put it on the computer and have it taking up no physical space. When I need to find papers it's a pain and I'd rather go digital with a scanner than implement a paper filing system which needs to be replaced yearly when the new tax year starts.
The financial benefit to me is that I can organize everything for bills/taxes - I can name the files, then search for it - instead of flipping through a stack of papers, I can type in "joe blow check payment" and see everything that I've named that, and once I scan it in it can go into the shred pile. It will then be backed up to Amazon S3 and the papers taken to a free shredding event or I'll do it at home if I'm bored.
With that said, how have you done this? The NeatDesktop seems like a good solution. At $380 it's pricey but I think I'll get more than $380 of benefit from it. The reviews were OK, I think it'll be OK for my needs though.
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Steps for this project:
1) Get a good scanner 2) Implement a good sorting system to allow for searching and/or easy directory browsing 3) Back everything up (off site too) - encrypt it as well 4) Encrypt your hard drive - TrueCrypt comes to mind - if anything is stolen the data can't be used 5) Shred/burn as needed
Message edited by: christoj879 on 2009-11-09 15:29:08 CST
I use neatreceipts (neatworks), and I more or less love it. I primarially right now use it for all my receipts (3 full time jobs)..I couldn't survive without it. I also use it to scan in "special" personal documents..things like my mortgage papers..etc..And for all of my software cd keys..now i'll never lose them!
The OCR ability and electronic tags and descriptions are great and it's easy to search for exactly what you are looking for. Overall, the interface is however a little klunky, but i can live with it.
I have not yet worked up to digitizing all of my other documents..I've been meaning to, but i never have enough time. The little scanner is great because it's so small and is powered by usb only. I've talked 3 other people into buying it and all of them also love it.
..however, me being an obsesive-compulsive pack-rat..i still do NOT throw away the original receipts and documents. I toss them all into a big box for the year....just in case...
P.S. i bought mine at the official neatreceipt refurb store online..it was only $175 or so..again, I don't have neatdesk, just the standard neatreceipt scanner, so i'm not sure what additional benefits neatdesk gives..ut look at their refurb store!
I think there are two parts to it- (1) Scanning (2) Organizing scanned documents.
I think you can use any scanner to do the scanning part. I use a $40 refurb Brother MFC5460 for scanning. It gets the job done. It can scan legal and letter paper and has a automatic document feeder. The scanning software is capable of making pdf files. You can also use Cutepdf to create pdf files, pdfsam to split, merge and reorder pdf files. Both these tools are free to use. Unfortunately, my scanner can not scan both sides of a paper, so I have to reverse the paper stack if I want both sides scanned. Even after that I have to merge and reorder the pages to get a good digital copy of the statement.
The trick is to minimize the scanning. So, I have signed up for online statements for just about everything (except one utility and one bank statement- might need it as proof for Drv Lics etc). Most financial institutions keep statements online for over a year (esp if you signed up for online statements). I visit my financial institutions once every 3 to 6 months and download all the statements. I have a separate folder for each institution. Statements for current year are saved as ABC_Bank_MMYYYY.pdf (where MM is month and YYYY is year). At the end of the calendar year, I merge all the monthly pdf statements into a single file as ABC_Bank_YYYY.pdf. this limits the number of files on my computer.
I also backup all my documents via a free Mozy account (2GB limit). This way, not only do I have a backup but also I can have access to my documents remotely as long as I have web access.
Just my $0.02.
Message edited by: ajny on 2009-11-08 19:38:53 CST
I shred my paper documents but back my digital documents up to a shared free service? How many times have you ever received free credit reports because of a stolen laptop or security fau paus?
Personally, most of the documents for me (bank, fidelity, credit card, online purchases, etc) are available online for YEARS so I don't keep them. I keep receipts from purchases until the warranty period is done then pitch them. I keep financial documents for 7 years and sort them with tax returns. I have never regretted disposing of anything or have not been able to find it later.
From a technology standpoint, having a backup drive in the same or seperate computer along with the data being on a different drive will protect you 99.99% of the time. The only thing that isn't protected is if you have a physical theft.
Message edited by: dmlavigne1 on 2009-11-08 19:47:13 CST
I've thought about using the neatreceipt stuff, too, but I have a question maybe someone here can answer. If I scan a receipt and trash the original, but need the receipt for a return or warranty issue, is the scanned receipt acceptable?
OP, I moved to a digital system about 18 months ago and I love it. I have a newer Photosmart printer that has an ADF with a duplex scanner - it was worth every penny of what I got it for on Craigslist (a steal).
I keep small receipts until CC statements come in, then shred them. More important receipts get scanned to PDF files and filed until the warranty is up. Electonic statments get downloaded directly. Most paper and bills get scanned and shredded the day they arrive. I organize via folders by topic and company. I can put my hands on a document SO much quicker this way. Everything gets stored on my network storage which is a RAID 1 config - nothing gets stored on my laptop (less chance of physical loss).
I would say find a scanner with ADF. Duplex is a VERY nice feature as well and worth paying a little extra for IMHO.
Digitizing is one of the best moves I've ever made. Highly recommended. Next steps for me are investigating off-site storage (maybe Mozy?) for backup/access and encryption as well ...
For offsite storage, Mozy is easy but pricey if you have more than one computer. I've researched and used a few (Mozy/Carbonite/iBackup) and have found my best bang for the buck to be with JungleDisk/Amazon S3. $2/mo for the JungleDisk software and $0.15/GB for Amazon. The $2/mo includes incremental backups, backup resume and web access which Amazon doesn't include (also, you have to use a program to get the Amazon as they offer no direct way - you can download a free program and do it yourself though).
Encryption is on the list as well, for which I plan to use TrueCrypt and also the backups can be encrypted - the connection is encrypted but if you don't encrypt the data itself they don't do it once it reaches the datacenter.
the hardest part is organizing the data is some sort of manner that you can retreive it later. i don't think putting everything in my documents folder by folder and file name and backing up online is the best way. you just end up with something like Bank Statements\Bank\2009\01-12.pdf's, etc. I don't think it's descriptive enough, especially when you add in word documents and spreadsheets. i've been playing with google desktop search, but I don't like that it doesn't index network drives by default. windows desktop search is even worse, however.
my office and my personal receipts are all organized with Acrobat. so essentially my work in assembling my tax documents will be done at the end of the year... just have to wait for a few straggler documents from my brokerages.
I've been scanning documents for 3 years now and a folder structure as squeezer99 indicates above. It works for me. Sometimes I look for something in the wrong place (e.g. there's an Insurance folder and a "Real Estate" folder)
I had never thought of using OCR for a true full text search. I would think it is a bit too slow. Those documents that I get from the business partner as a PDF already, frequently they are text PDFs (not just JPEGs) and they are already searchable.
I create an encrypted backup every month and ftp it to a remote site. (of course, I use 'scp' not 'ftp').
I've always wanted to setup a USB stick scanner that feeds right into a cheap Staples shredder so that I can do two things at once.
BTW, if you are planning on doing this, don't forget about the tons of "warranty and manuals" that come with every little appliance. This currently eats up an entire drawer of a filing cabinet in my garage as I don't have the patience to scan in an entire book.
svallarian said:BTW, if you are planning on doing this, don't forget about the tons of "warranty and manuals" that come with every little appliance. This currently eats up an entire drawer of a filing cabinet in my garage as I don't have the patience to scan in an entire book.
I find that most manuals for products I own are available directly on the manufacturer's website in PDF format.
Squeezer99 said:you just end up with something like Bank StatementsBank2009�1-12.pdf's, etc. I don't think it's descriptive enough, especially when you add in word documents and spreadsheets. I do: /Banking/Savings/My Bank Name/2009-11-09 - My Bank Name - Statement.pdf /Credit Cards/American Express Blue/2009-11-09 - American Express Blue - Statement.pdf
and then for less frequent things something like: /Insurance/2009-11-09 - Geico - Remove Car Request.pdf
This way each file individually has a descriptive name and you can copy/attach them without a need to rename. Also, they sort in chronological order.
I download what can be downloaded and scan what cannot be and what arrives or I send out on paper. I keep a spreadsheet where I keep track of eStatement downloads and once in a few weeks I go and download statements from all accounts.
i've been playing with google desktop search, but I don't like that it doesn't index network drives by default. windows desktop search is even worse, however.
Yep, I'm still not satisfied with searching myself. I used to use copernic Desktop Search but they stopped indexing network drives in latest "free" version as well. I'm considering using a local drive under Windows 7 and just syncing to network share.
For offsite backups there are many options (especially since the size of these documents isn't large). Dropbox and CrashPlan support Linux so I can run them on my server directly.
I have a Canon MX850 printer/scanner and it works reasonably well. You definitely want both a sheet feeder. Flatbed also helps for small items such as receipts or postcard-size bills. I can also put a document into it and press a "scan to computer" button and all .PDFs will accumulate in a folder on my desktop - then I go to my computer and rename/sort through them all in one shot.
Message edited by: lampy2k4 on 2009-11-09 07:53:31 CST
I use vuescan as it's simple quick and bloat free to PDF or tiff/jpg. And then from there I use bluebeam software to "write" on the docs after the fact with my tablet, things lie check #'s,comments etc. Works out well for me. Bluebeam is a little pricey but effective. I havnt found the need to OCR yet
lampy2k4 said:...words... Wow, bro... you have a disease.
Is there a possibility you are overestimating the value of these documents? I used to scan everything, but have since stopped... I check for errors every month and call it good. The effort was just not worth it, unless you are aroused by file structure and needless organization.
All correspondence and I keep in a box for a few years so I can find anything I need... After 3-6 years I just burn it.
The only thing I scan now are legal documents, titles and other things I find important and/or deal with a lot of money.
I have been using PaperPort for many years and quite happy with it overall. I only have Ver 10 Pro, and use it to keep track of literally 1000s of folders built up over a decade. PP has a history of being buggy, so I would check out reviews of latest versions before taking the plunge.
Best thing about PaperPort is it's visual desktop concept, extremely useful to keep track of complex tasks. It will definitely complement descriptive file names and logical file hierarchies. I generally use its scanning interface to scan documents as it allows you to manually duplex double sided documents and do all sorts of other PDF manipulations.
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