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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125761510544336033.html

WASHINGTON -- House health-care-overhaul legislation would impose hefty penalties on employers who didn't offer their workers health insurance, and would tax wealthy households to help pay for covering the uninsured.

Those are two of the major tax changes businesses and individuals would see under the House bill, and are among the most contentious issues Democrats will face as they try to craft a final bill in conference negotiations with the Senate.

A House vote on the health-care bill could come as early as Saturday.

Business groups are looking toward conference negotiations to try to eliminate or water down the House employer penalties.

Firms that didn't offer health insurance up to minimum standards spelled out in the House bill would face penalties up to 8% of payroll. The smallest businesses, up to $500,000 in payroll, would be exempt from the penalties.

Companies that have high proportions of low-paid and part-time workers are likely to be hit hardest by the penalties.

"If you currently cover 20% of workers, and 80% are part-timers you don't cover, you will have a very different situation than an IBM, that covers everybody," said John Sheils, a health-care analyst at the Lewin Group, a consulting firm owned by insurer UnitedHealth Group Inc.

Some private studies have found that many small businesses now insuring their workers would see their health-care costs go down under the House bill, particularly as a result of efficiencies in the small group market.

Individuals with income over $500,000 and married couples making in excess of $1 million would face a 5.4% surtax on income above those amounts. After taking into account the expiration of the Bush tax cuts, those people would face a marginal tax rate of 45%.

The tax would affect 0.3% of U.S. taxpayers, and 1.2% of small businesses. About one-third of the $460.5 billion raised by the surtax over 10 years would come from business income, the Joint Committee on Taxation said.

House leaders scaled the surtax back from an earlier proposal at the behest of a group of rank-and-file Democrats worried about its impact on small businesses.

Some of those House Democrats are holding out hope for further changes in conference. For instance, the $500,000 and $1 million thresholds aren't indexed for inflation, meaning they will affect more and more Americans over time, said Rep. Michael McMahon (D., N.Y.)

The choice between the House's surtax on the wealthy and a Senate funding mechanism -- an excise tax on expensive or "Cadillac" insurance plans -- promises to be one of the toughest issues House and Senate negotiators will have to solve.

"The first thing they may try is, what if we take a little bit of each bill," said Clint Stretch, a principal in the national office of Deloitte Tax LLP. "But it's going to be hard to sell the House on the Cadillac plan tax," which is opposed by unions.

Beyond the surtax on the wealthy, the House bill would impose a new $2,500 annual cap on contributions to flexible spending accounts, and change the rules so pretax dollars in those accounts cannot be used to purchase over-the-counter drugs.

On the business side, the bill would impose a new 2.5% tax on the sale of medical devices, paid by medical device makers like Medtronic Inc. and Boston Scientific Corp. and wholesalers.

It also limits certain tax deductions foreign multinationals are now eligible for through tax treaties. And it shuts down a tax credit that could have yielded as much as $24 billion to paper companies that produce biofuels using "black liquor," a byproduct of the pulping process.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jfkrVhVuGBmgA7iXHJ3ef-pw_NBQD9BMOK780

WASHINGTON — Those tax-free spending accounts that you and your co-workers use to help pay for dental work, insurance copayments or over-the-counter drugs face a hit under the health overhaul bills in Congress — unless a coalition that includes a powerful union, insurers and others can stop it.
Bills in the House and Senate would cap at $2,500 an employee's allowable annual contribution to a health care flexible spending account.
There is no federal cap on contributions now, though companies that offer the accounts — more than 80 percent of companies employing 500 or more workers do — typically impose their own limits, usually around $5,000.
Workers can use the accounts to save pretax income, which then can be used to reimburse a range of medical expenses, including dental and vision costs, prescription and over-the-counter medications and copays and deductibles — again without being taxed.
Capping contributions to the accounts would raise more than $13 billion over 10 years to help pay for Democratic health care legislation because it would limit the amount of employees' income that is exempt from taxation.
But an unlikely bedfellows coalition that is characteristic of this health care debate — where common interests can unite groups that might typically be at odds — is mobilizing to try to stop the change.
A limited print ad campaign declaring "Flexible spending accounts work!" appeared this past week in Capitol Hill publications. It's paid for by a group called Save Flexible Spending Plans that is backed by insurers, companies that administer consumer spending accounts and other businesses with a financial stake in the outcome. The United Food and Commercial Workers International Union endorsed the campaign and its logo appears on the ads.
"Our concern is that a cap of $2,500 is a definite tax on the middle class, particularly those with chronic illnesses," said Jody Dietel, executive director of Save Flexible Spending Plans and chief compliance officer at WageWorks, Inc. of San Mateo, Calif.
Advocates say the typical flexible spending account user makes $55,000 annually.
Although some lawmakers are sympathetic, the opposition appears unlikely to succeed in getting the flexible spending account cap out of Congress' health care bill. Unlike the initial Senate proposal, though, House members want to allow the cap to be adjusted so it would rise along with inflation. That would be a welcome improvement for advocates.
Aides to the Senate Finance Committee, which proposed the cap, defend it by saying it would help curb overuse of medical care. Money deposited in the tax-free accounts must be used within 2 1/2 months of the end of the plan year. That may create an incentive for people to spend all the money even if they don't have pressing needs.
In addition, committee spokeswoman Erin Shields said the impact of the cap would be limited. Data compiled by the consulting firm Mercer shows that the average flexible spending arrangement contribution in 2008 was $1,385, much lower than the one contemplated by Congress.
Mercer said that 27 percent of all employers offered health care spending accounts in 2008 — small businesses are much less likely to do so than large ones — and that 37 percent of eligible workers signed up for the accounts.
"The provision, in addition to helping reduce the overutilization of care, also affects only a limited number of people," Shields said.
Dietel said those averages are no comfort to people using the accounts to cover extreme costs of a chronic condition — say a single dad whose child has a peanut allergy requiring special treatment.
"The reality is that an average is an average," Dietel said. "It's the only tool out there that allows an individual to tailor coverage to their own individual need."

 


FWers, if you were ever contemplating LASIK or any other type of surgery, get your max in your Flex Spending Account this year. I have no idea why they would do away with this, but take advantage of it while it lasts.

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Krazen1211 said:the House bill would impose a new $2,500 annual cap on contributions to flexible spending accounts, and change the rules so pretax dollars in those accounts cannot be used to purchase over-the-counter drugs.Strange... wish they'd include information on the sections of the bills they're referring to, instead of just "the bill."


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DevilMonkey said:Krazen1211 said:the House bill would impose a new $2,500 annual cap on contributions to flexible spending accounts, and change the rules so pretax dollars in those accounts cannot be used to purchase over-the-counter drugs.Strange... wish they'd include information on the sections of the bills they're referring to, instead of just "the bill."

SEC. 442. DISTRIBUTIONS FOR MEDICINE QUALIFIED ONLY IF FOR PRESCRIBED DRUG OR INSULIN.
(a) HSAs- Subparagraph (A) of section 223(d)(2) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by adding at the end the following: ‘Such term shall include an amount paid for medicine or a drug only if such medicine or drug is a prescribed drug or is insulin.’.
(b) Archer MSAs- Subparagraph (A) of section 220(d)(2) of such Code is amended by adding at the end the following: ‘Such term shall include an amount paid for medicine or a drug only if such medicine or drug is a prescribed drug or is insulin.’.
(c) Health Flexible Spending Arrangements and Health Reimbursement Arrangements- Section 106 of such Code is amended by adding at the end the following new subsection:
‘(f) Reimbursements for Medicine Restricted to Prescribed Drugs and Insulin- For purposes of this section and section 105, reimbursement for expenses incurred for a medicine or a drug shall be treated as a reimbursement for medical expenses only if such medicine or drug is a prescribed drug or is insulin.’.
(d) Effective Dates- The amendment made by this section shall apply to expenses incurred after December 31, 2009.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text

Message edited by: tazzy531 on 2009-11-09 15:59:12 CST
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http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf


SEC. 532. LIMITATION ON HEALTH FLEXIBLE SPENDING AR9
RANGEMENTS UNDER CAFETERIA PLANS.
10 (a) IN GENERAL.—Section 125 of the Internal Rev11
enue Code of 1986 is amended—
12 (1) by redesignating subsections (i) and (j) as
13 subsections (j) and (k), respectively, and
14 (2) by inserting after subsection (h) the fol15
lowing new subsection:
16 ‘‘(i) LIMITATION ON HEALTH FLEXIBLE SPENDING
17 ARRANGEMENTS.—
18 ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—For purposes of this sec19
tion, if a benefit is provided under a cafeteria plan
20 through employer contributions to a health flexible
21 spending arrangement, such benefit shall not be
22 treated as a qualified benefit unless the cafeteria
23 plan provides that an employee may not elect for
24 any taxable year to have salary reduction contribu25
tions in excess of $2,500 made to such arrangement.


SEC. 531. DISTRIBUTIONS FOR MEDICINE QUALIFIED ONLY
9 IF FOR PRESCRIBED DRUG OR INSULIN.
10 (a) HSAS.—Subparagraph (A) of section 223(d)(2)
11 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by add12
ing at the end the following: ‘‘Such term shall include an
13 amount paid for medicine or a drug only if such medicine
14 or drug is a prescribed drug or is insulin.’’.

 


There's some debate to be resolved whether this goes in for 2011 or 2013. Either way, it's best to be prepared.


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tazzy531 said:(c) Health Flexible Spending Arrangements and Health Reimbursement Arrangements- Section 106 of such Code is amended by adding at the end the following new subsection:
‘(f) Reimbursements for Medicine Restricted to Prescribed Drugs and Insulin- For purposes of this section and section 105, reimbursement for expenses incurred for a medicine or a drug shall be treated as a reimbursement for medical expenses only if such medicine or drug is a prescribed drug or is insulin.’.
(d) Effective Dates- The amendment made by this section shall apply to expenses incurred after December 31, 2009.

Yikes! Open Enrollment for my husband's employer is ending this Friday, and I'd be specifying my 2010 FSA allocation under the assumption that OTC drugs are qualified expenses. So if this passes, I could end up unable to use up my 2010 FSA funds!


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This is not good.


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beethovengirl said:tazzy531 said:(c) Health Flexible Spending Arrangements and Health Reimbursement Arrangements- Section 106 of such Code is amended by adding at the end the following new subsection:
‘(f) Reimbursements for Medicine Restricted to Prescribed Drugs and Insulin- For purposes of this section and section 105, reimbursement for expenses incurred for a medicine or a drug shall be treated as a reimbursement for medical expenses only if such medicine or drug is a prescribed drug or is insulin.’.
(d) Effective Dates- The amendment made by this section shall apply to expenses incurred after December 31, 2009.

Yikes! Open Enrollment for my husband's employer is ending this Friday, and I'd be specifying my 2010 FSA allocation under the assumption that OTC drugs are qualified expenses. So if this passes, I could end up unable to use up my 2010 FSA funds!

I think that's an older version of the bill, when they hoped to pass it by August.


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Xnarg said:This is not good.

No, this is VERY good - the only way to fix the problem is to make sure
that everyone that is currently enjoys perks offered by their employers or their
swiftness while thinking "It would be nice if EvilCapitalist paid more in taxes to
provide freelance writers and artists with insurance so I could enjoy their art"
has a choice of paying more for medications themselves or subsidizing said writers.


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EvilCapitalist said:Xnarg said:This is not good.No, this is VERY good - the only way to fix the problem is to make sure that everyone that is currently enjoys perks offered by their employers or their swiftness while thinking "It would be nice if EvilCapitalist paid more in taxes to provide freelance writers and artists with insurance so I could enjoy their art" has a choice of paying more for medications themselves or subsidizing said writers.It would be fine with me if the tax breaks given for FSA-type accounts were cut back completely. However, doing so should not be used as an excuse to fund socialized medicine, which is what is going on now.

Changes should be enacted long before the start of the year. Most company-sponsored insurance plans are in open enrollment periods right now, so if the law is going to be changed dramatically about how much FSA-type money can be used, that would affect the decisions of a lot of people.


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Any change to the HSA related perks?

My FSA is a limited use FSA, only for dental and vision purpose. I put only a little bit money in it.


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Of course FSA and HSAs are getting neutered. This legislation is designed to help the extremely poor only. Anyone middle class and up has to make sacrifices to help those in need. Why should middle class people continue getting tax deductions for over-the-counter medicine when poor people can't get basic health care?


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tripleB said:Of course FSA and HSAs are getting neutered. This legislation is designed to help the extremely poor only. Anyone middle class and up has to make sacrifices to help those in need. Why should middle class people continue getting tax deductions for over-the-counter medicine when poor people can't get basic health care?That is exactly the plan as put forth by those who will profit most from the plan.

Message edited by: Xnarg on 2009-11-09 17:55:38 CST
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nycll said:Any change to the HSA related perks?

My FSA is a limited use FSA, only for dental and vision purpose. I put only a little bit money in it.

I don't know if contact lens solution and such is counted there, but that goes away.

HSA penalty for nonqualified distributions is now 20%, up from 10%. The same drug restrictions (no OTC drugs, insulin and prescription only) that apply to FSAs apply to HSAs.


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Phew, almost switched my plan over to HDHP/HSA for this year's enrollment.


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tripleB said:This legislation is designed to help the extremely poor only.
Except for the provisions prohibiting insurance corporations from rescinding your policy after you get sick, prohibiting insurance corporations from denying you coverage if you have a preexisting condition, prohibiting insurance corporations from charging discriminatory premiums, and other provisions favorable to others who are not "Poor".

Anyone middle class and up has to make sacrifices to help those in need.
Except we're all already paying for the uninsured, but at Rolls Royce (emergency room) prices. Having everybody insured will eventually bend the cost curve downward.


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Krazen1211 said:nycll said:Any change to the HSA related perks?

My FSA is a limited use FSA, only for dental and vision purpose. I put only a little bit money in it.


I don't know if contact lens solution and such is counted there, but that goes away.

HSA penalty for nonqualified distributions is now 20%, up from 10%. The same drug restrictions (no OTC drugs, insulin and prescription only) that apply to FSAs apply to HSAs.
Yes, I am pretty sure contact lens solution is eligible for both HSA and limited purpose FSA. But OTC drugs are only good for HSA, not limited purpose FSA.

I am currently use HSA as an IRA type of account. I am sure when I grow older eligible medical expenses will have no problem exceed the HSA balance. So the most important feature of HSA is the ability to compound the pretax dollar and accumulate claims but not withdraw the money through the years.

Message edited by: nycll on 2009-11-09 18:15:30 CST
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JoeFriday said:Except we're all already paying for the uninsured, but at Rolls Royce (emergency room) prices. Having everybody insured will eventually bend the cost curve downward.
Not true:
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/103xx/doc10311/06-16-ConradLetter.htm
"Broader insurance coverage might lead to less cost shifting in the health care system, but that effect would probably be relatively small and would not directly produce net savings in national or federal spending on health care.

If more people had insurance, then the amount of uncompensated care would decline. Some government payments designed to pay for part of that care (such as “disproportionate share” payments to hospitals that treat many poor patients) could be trimmed accordingly. And, to the extent that costs of uncompensated care are currently shifted to private payers, some offsetting savings could arise. However, undoing any current shifts of spending among different payers would not change the growth rate of federal spending beyond the first few years.

Moreover, uncompensated care is less significant than many people assume. According to one study, hospitals provided about $35 billion in uncompensated care nationwide in 2008—less than 2 percent of national health expenditures—and the estimates are much smaller for other providers.4 The extent to which such costs are shifted to other payers is also uncertain; well-structured studies have found modest effects.5 Further, some proposed expansions of insurance coverage would broaden eligibility for Medicaid, which might lead to additional cost shifting given Medicaid’s low payments to providers."

The CBO cited this peer-reviewed, published study:
http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/content/full/27/5/w399

"People uninsured for all or any part of 2008 receive approximately $86 billion in care during the time they lack insurance coverage. The uninsured pay for $30 billion of their care out of pocket and receive about $56 billion in uncompensated care. Uncompensated care represents 2.2 percent of health spending in 2008.

We estimate that government spends nearly $43 billion—roughly 75 percent of total uncompensated care costs—through Medicaid DSH and supplemental payment programs, Medicare DSH and IME payments, various direct care programs, and state and local tax appropriations. Given the magnitude of government payments, we estimate that cost shifting to private insurance finances a relatively small amount of uncompensated care.

Private insurance premiums are at most 1.7 percent higher because of the shifting of the costs of the uninsured to private insurers in the form of higher charges.26 Providing full-year coverage to all Americans currently uninsured for any part of the year would increase their medical spending by $122.6 billion in 2008, over and above their current spending (while uninsured) of about $86 billion."

i.e. Overall health care spending among the uninsured will be higher if they get health insurance.


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I really wouldn't worry about any immediate changes for the next year. Even if some version of the bill actually is enacted into law (it certainly won't be the current bill as the senate version is more than likely going to be quite different), the changes won't take place until at the minimum 2011 and more likely 2013. Very little of the bill would actually go into effect any time soon.

Message edited by: JorgeBurrito on 2009-11-09 18:19:35 CST
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I hope this doesn't pass, I want to get LASIK this coming year. It's going to cost more than $2.5k.


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