notalotbot said: Nobody cares about this anymore. Yaaaawn.
But you just don't understand! Them electronics be killing ya! It be the devil! Them accelerator pedals get together with your brake pedals, achieve sentience and ATTACK! And it only happens if all of it is electronic! Even the mechanical parts are electronic! Those wheels? Electrons. Tires you just bought? Also electrons. We need to go back to the days of analog wheels, that's what we should do!
It's not like this is an issue of a company that has a decades long history of hiding defects. No no no. It's all about faulty electronics. See page 2 of this article about 1979 Toyota Celicas with sticky accelerators. Oh wait, that was rusting that caused it and had nothing to do with electronics. But I bet we can pull out of our collective butts an explanation on how electronics systems made Toyota hide the mechanical defect.
tomprc said: I just did my recall. The CSR at the dealer told me that my car already have the brake overwrite system installed.
In such case, why did they recall my call? Shouldn't the brake overwrite system do its work?
override will be standard in 2011 models. According to my service director it'll be ready for 2010s soon...
Stil have the car. I've been getting free oil change/maintenance on it everytime I take it in for a recall for the hassle. I'm trying to negotiate with toyota directly now to atleast get the maintenance package they threw in for purchases beginning Jan 10
SUCKISSTAPLES said: And its REPEATABLE in testing. Toyota now claims it is normal for the accelerator not to return to idle for several seconds after liftoff from the pedal....part of its electronic "driver intention support control" system.
I understand this is one of the big reasons manufacturers started putting in electronic throttles, everyone is doing it, drivers of late-model manuals (Who colloquially call it "rev hang" across innumerable internet forums) have known about it for years, and we may ultimately have the EPA to thank for it.
Ostensibly, when the throttle is abruptly closed, the engine momentarily runs rich, emitting unburned hydrocarbons. In order to clean up the tailpipe, the manufacturers program a smooth synchronized reduction in the supplies of air and fuel, maintaining a nominal mixture and burning as much of the injected fuel as possible.
With a nice mechanical control that will completely disconnect the engine from the wheels all the time every time, it's not much of a safety consideration in a manual, but it shows itself in a manual every shift and is very annoying to any manual driver who prides him- or herself on driving smoothly and in a manner that's easy on the vehicle. Some of the performance-oriented computer flashes remove this feature for this reason.
Conversely, your typical automatic driver would never notice it, but there is a (However slight) potential for a safety impact.
IMBoring25 said: SUCKISSTAPLES said: And its REPEATABLE in testing. Toyota now claims it is normal for the accelerator not to return to idle for several seconds after liftoff from the pedal....part of its electronic "driver intention support control" system.
I understand this is one of the big reasons manufacturers started putting in electronic throttles, everyone is doing it, drivers of late-model manuals (Who colloquially call it "rev hang" across innumerable internet forums) have known about it for years, and we may ultimately have the EPA to thank for it.
Ostensibly, when the throttle is abruptly closed, the engine momentarily runs rich, emitting unburned hydrocarbons. In order to clean up the tailpipe, the manufacturers program a smooth synchronized reduction in the supplies of air and fuel, maintaining a nominal mixture and burning as much of the injected fuel as possible.
With a nice mechanical control that will completely disconnect the engine from the wheels all the time every time, it's not much of a safety consideration in a manual, but it shows itself in a manual every shift and is very annoying to any manual driver who prides him- or herself on driving smoothly and in a manner that's easy on the vehicle. Some of the performance-oriented computer flashes remove this feature for this reason.
Conversely, your typical automatic driver would never notice it, but there is a (However slight) potential for a safety impact.
I really notice it on my automatic 2010 highlander vs 98 automatic corolla. I wish there was a way to disable it??
Got "Served" today with 2 photo radar tickets totaling $500 for going 12 miles over in a 55mph. On one the photo is unclear and I can send them a letter saying it's not me, but it says that could be perjury?
predpaid legal?
How about a toyota UA defense? I'm sure there's a precedant for that by now!
vickh said: Got "Served" today with 2 photo radar tickets totaling $500 for going 12 miles over in a 55mph. On one the photo is unclear and I can send them a letter saying it's not me, but it says that could be perjury?
predpaid legal?
How about a toyota UA defense? I'm sure there's a precedant for that by now!
Now that's just funny. A guy that is supposedly concerned about unintended acceleration is caught speeding, more than once, too! Thanks for showing yet again that you personally are in this purely to try to make a buck, safety is of no real concern to you.
vickh said: Got "Served" today with 2 photo radar tickets totaling $500 for going 12 miles over in a 55mph. On one the photo is unclear and I can send them a letter saying it's not me, but it says that could be perjury?
predpaid legal?
How about a toyota UA defense? I'm sure there's a precedant for that by now! Pot, meet kettle.
Looks like a lot of people were just complaining for no reason. The only winners here? People that are now flipping the cars they bought for dirt cheap because people thought they were death traps.
RushnRockt said: Gotta keep this alive, something as obvious as this can't take long to figure out No worry, this will happen again 10 years from now to a different car maker.
there is a different recall for Siennas and maybe some other models regarding wear on the cable that holds the spare tire in place. If you are in a wintery climate I believe they replace or do something to the cable to fix it for free. If you have had this done I'd be curious as to how it went and what they did.
TrueValue said: there is a different recall for Siennas and maybe some other models regarding wear on the cable that holds the spare tire in place. If you are in a wintery climate I believe they replace or do something to the cable to fix it for free. If you have had this done I'd be curious as to how it went and what they did.
It's an electronic doo-hickey-thingy (like everything else in Toyotas) and they just need to reprogram it
TrueValue said: there is a different recall for Siennas and maybe some other models regarding wear on the cable that holds the spare tire in place. If you are in a wintery climate I believe they replace or do something to the cable to fix it for free. If you have had this done I'd be curious as to how it went and what they did.
I just went to the dealer on Monday to address this recall issue with my 98 Sieena. They first asked to you to have the tire cable inspected for corrosion (a few months ago) and if necessary, to have the spare moved inside the van. Then later, they sent another update to have the van returned for another service. This time to have a CRC (corrosion resistent compound) applied to the cable if it was previously already corroding or looked fine (just as a preventative measure). If the corrosion was severe, the entire cable was to be replaced and then a replacement with CRC to be added to it.
My minivan is garaged, so it isn't exposed to the elements as much and my tire cable looked fine. The dealer just added some CRC and that was it. It took just over an hour of my time. I didn't think my cable any had any issue, but since it was free, I was OK with it.
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