So I got 5 letters in the mail today (3 for me, 1 for my bro, and 1 for my dad) saying the same thing that our credit card accounts were closed for high risk due to spending activity.
I am pretty sure that all these accounts resulted from my use of the credit cards. I admit I used them often but never was late with a payment and paid in full every month. I put whatever expenses I could on the cards in an effort to rack up points. When I called the guy basically told me that I have made $110k worth of payment in the past year and my income listed is about $90k. Therefore, this is a risk to them and they shut down all the cards (apparently, the Charles Schwab 2% card is part of the BOA family as it was shut down as well).
Anyway, my question is if this has ever happened to anyone else and if there is anything I can do to fight it. I dont know why they shut down the cards of my bro (who only had a $500 limit) and my dads.
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posted: Feb. 9, 2010 @ 4:10p
ThePessimist
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posted: Feb. 9, 2010 @ 4:14p
You're not telling us the whole story. How did you make $110K worth of purchases with a HHI of $90K? Why were your brother and dad letting you use their accounts? Were you an AU on those accounts, or using the cards in their names?
If the answer is that you were putting business charges on personal cards, I'd advise you to just learn the lesson and get over it. Game over.
I know i've spent way more than my yearly income on the schwab card with no problems.
they don't mind business purchases on personal cards. I've talked with them back when they would put fraud alerts out all the time and they were fine with it.
If you purchased tons of coins from the mint then that might be what is concerning them. They are worried you might realize you could simply keep the coins and not pay them back.
AbbaZabba said: If you purchased tons of coins from the mint then that might be what is concerning them. They are worried you might realize you could simply keep the coins and not pay them back.Yup. The CC issuers tend to get ticked off if you don't purchase worthless consumer goods with their cards.
At the first sign you are buying cash-convertible items, they get spooked.
Maybe buying iPods would be better than coins? You can sell them on Craigslist for near-value, no?
Right, my guess is that it's not just the volume itself that caused AA but primarily the nature of the charges. A lot of people here charge several times their reported annual income on CC's without any AA.
If you could post the types of charges that were on the card along with a description of any adverse information that might've appeared on your credit reports (such as late payments, extremely high utilization, etc...), it would help the rest of us.
geo123 said: Right, my guess is that it's not just the volume itself that caused AA but primarily the nature of the charges. A lot of people here charge several times their reported annual income on CC's without any AA.
If you could post the types of charges that were on the card along with a description of any adverse information that might've appeared on your credit reports (such as late payments, extremely high utilization, etc...), it would help the rest of us.And also could you please let us know if you proactively contacted BOA for anything? Did you ask for a CLI, or call them for anything at all? The recent trend with issuers is to review your account when you call them for any reason; if you have high CL's or abnormal activity, they will then likely take AA and CLD or close your lines. My advice is never call your cc company these days unless you absoultely have to. There is little to gain from doing so.
hibbii
Member
posted: Feb. 9, 2010 @ 10:51p
Well to answer the question of what I was buying it was mostly stuff for resell on eBay. I wasnt doing the US Mint thing but rather just buying and selling. I guess this constitutes business purchases but I figured as long as they were getting paid off in full for over 2 years now that I should be good.
As for bro and dad...I didnt even know they had BOA cards and never used them for any of my purchases.
hibbii
Member
posted: Feb. 9, 2010 @ 10:56p
geo123 said: Right, my guess is that it's not just the volume itself that caused AA but primarily the nature of the charges. A lot of people here charge several times their reported annual income on CC's without any AA.
If you could post the types of charges that were on the card along with a description of any adverse information that might've appeared on your credit reports (such as late payments, extremely high utilization, etc...), it would help the rest of us.
No late payments. High utilization, maybe, but only cus I made large purchases.
hibbii said: geo123 said: Right, my guess is that it's not just the volume itself that caused AA but primarily the nature of the charges. A lot of people here charge several times their reported annual income on CC's without any AA.
If you could post the types of charges that were on the card along with a description of any adverse information that might've appeared on your credit reports (such as late payments, extremely high utilization, etc...), it would help the rest of us.
No late payments. High utilization, maybe, but only cus I made large purchases.I assume you allowed your statements to post with a high utilization balance, despite you always paying in full by the payment due date? If so, this could be your reason...
I've found that you can use your BOA lines more aggressively, even turning them over 2, 3 or more times per month, regardless of where you "shop," so long as you always pay down 90%+ of your balance BEFORE the statement date. I think thier system flags accounts with high utilitization percentages at statement date that causes a manual review. Furthermore, I think that so long as you use your line during the month, but pay 90%+ of it off before the statement date, this may actually help avoid any credit line decreases as well. This seems to work with aggressive spending on a small line as well as very slight spending on a very large line; the constant activity, but repayment before statement date, seems to keep BOA happy, or at least you out of trouble.
Most of this is speculation on my part, but I can say I've had great success with keeping some extremely high CL's with abnormal spending with BOA by implementing these methods. My other rule in today's credit enviornment is to NEVER contact your issuer unless absolutely necessary.
It's probably due to the type of activity, rather than the amount of it that you did. You probably spent a bit too much money on the wrong side of town...ScamEx is notorious for doing this, and I would suppose BofA is doing it too. Find a better CC company asap.
How much was your credit line on the shcwab 2% card? ..and how much was the utilization on the scwah 2$?
(I ask because I use about 50% utilization monthly, sometimes 60%) Always PIF as well
Did you mix your BOFA/FIA cards? or stuck to only one?
IAskStupidQuestions
Handsome Member
posted: Feb. 10, 2010 @ 9:25a
Why don't banks understand that it's possible to spend more money than you make if you have large amount of money in Treasuries that are paying next to no interest thanks to their shenanigans?
hibbii
Member
posted: Feb. 10, 2010 @ 12:14p
lillazyfats81 said: How much was your credit line on the shcwab 2% card? ..and how much was the utilization on the scwah 2$?
(I ask because I use about 50% utilization monthly, sometimes 60%) Always PIF as well
Did you mix your BOFA/FIA cards? or stuck to only one?
I had a 5k line on the schwab and only had it for a month. I probably turned it over once. The whole issue stemmed from the use of my NFL Extra Points card as I had the highest CL on that (17k).
Another question I have is how will this affect my overall credit score? I just had 3 cards with a total CL of about 27k shutdown overnight, it cant look good to the reporting agencies.
tazzy531
Senior Member - 4K
posted: Feb. 10, 2010 @ 12:17p
hibbii said: Well to answer the question of what I was buying it was mostly stuff for resell on eBay. I wasnt doing the US Mint thing but rather just buying and selling. I guess this constitutes business purchases but I figured as long as they were getting paid off in full for over 2 years now that I should be good.
As for bro and dad...I didnt even know they had BOA cards and never used them for any of my purchases.
So...how does this not add to your income? Or are you saying you're running the business as a net loss?
hibbii
Member
posted: Feb. 10, 2010 @ 12:32p
tazzy531 said: hibbii said: Well to answer the question of what I was buying it was mostly stuff for resell on eBay. I wasnt doing the US Mint thing but rather just buying and selling. I guess this constitutes business purchases but I figured as long as they were getting paid off in full for over 2 years now that I should be good.
As for bro and dad...I didnt even know they had BOA cards and never used them for any of my purchases.
So...how does this not add to your income? Or are you saying you're running the business as a net loss?
eBay was included in my income total. The margin was pretty low (roughly 10%) so meaning I would have to spend like $100k to make a $10k net profit.
Sounds like I'm in a somewhat similar boat.. I had a Charles Schwab card, CLI Of 9500, 85% utilized BOA card, CLI of 23,000, 0% utilized
I called to simply inquire about BT promos, and asked for my card#. I didn't have it, as I had destroyed it (I wasn't planning using the card ever again unless for BT). They offered to send me a new card, which I accepted, and then I get a call 3 days later from a credit analyst saying they are closing the BOA card for 'too much credit'.
They also said they might want to reduce the Schwab card.
I have HHI of 42k, and at one point had: Total CLI: $54,600.00
So I can see their point, and it didn't bother me too much.. but kinda hurt my pride.
IAskStupidQuestions said: Why don't banks understand that it's possible to spend more money than you make if you have large amount of money in Treasuries that are paying next to no interest thanks to their shenanigans?Exactly. BOA doesn't know how much assets you have (although they sometimes ask this for a CLI request), and assets are a hell of a lot more important WRT repayment than a stated income stream. If I was a cc company, I'd prefer a millionaire with $10MM in 100% safe investments with low income vs someone with $300k income and no assets and both customers are spending $500k a year on cc. Doesn't make much sense to me, and I think if BOA is getting paid in full and your purchase activity is not risky, it is stupid policy for them to close your card.
Drouo said: Sounds like I'm in a somewhat similar boat.. I had a Charles Schwab card, CLI Of 9500, 85% utilized BOA card, CLI of 23,000, 0% utilized
I called to simply inquire about BT promos, and asked for my card#. I didn't have it, as I had destroyed it (I wasn't planning using the card ever again unless for BT). They offered to send me a new card, which I accepted, and then I get a call 3 days later from a credit analyst saying they are closing the BOA card for 'too much credit'.
They also said they might want to reduce the Schwab card.
I have HHI of 42k, and at one point had: Total CLI: $54,600.00
So I can see their point, and it didn't bother me too much.. but kinda hurt my pride. Your mistake has been highlighted in bold . It sucks, but live and learn.
hibbii
Member
posted: Feb. 10, 2010 @ 2:43p
Sounds like its bad luck.
Does this mean that my relationship with BOA is strained forever? Similar to AMEX financial reviews.
What about the negative impact on credit rating? I wanted to apply for a mortgage pre-approval in the coming months as well. This sucks.
Does this mean that my relationship with BOA is strained forever? Similar to AMEX financial reviews.
What about the negative impact on credit rating? I wanted to apply for a mortgage pre-approval in the coming months as well. This sucks.Nah. Credit is tight, so BOA is being protective. You didn't do anything wrong. Your HHI might increase too in the future, then you can get higher lines.
Any impact on your credit report will likely be very minimal, and not have any effect on your mortgage pre-approval. Don't worry about it. Everyone is getting line decreases and "closed by issuer" on thier credit reports these days.
flipper54
New Member
posted: Mar. 22, 2010 @ 3:04p
hey, i googled my question and i found you. chase gave me credit cards and set my cc limits. some i was close and some not. i have 5 chase cards. i know that's too many, but like i said, they gave them to me. they shut one down and i asked if the other ones were okay and she said yes and today i got letters they shut them all down. i was never late on ANY of my cards and i paid my 21k car off in dec 2009 1.5 years early. i'm never buying a new car again. anyway, this is the concern i have. i told her you're going to ruin me. if any of my other creditors see where you shut down my cards, the rest of them will also. she was pretty mouthy about everything else but didn't have anything to say to that. she said i can never get these cards back again. i closed down 2 cards on my own. one had a zero bal with a 3k open line of credit. the other i owe 100. i was trying to help myself. when i pay off the 400 jcpenney with a 3k line of credit, i was going to close that one also. if other cc companies close me down, my credit is ruined, then i guess i'll file bankruptcy. i have no choice. they give and they can take. i'm sure i'll be better off without cc's. you're a slave to the lender. i remember having MONEY in the bank when i didn't have cc's. i could have bought anything i wanted. i am moving and trying to get a better paying job and i'll have money coming in. it just didn't come in fast enough. i'll have to wait and see what happens
flipper54 said: hey, i googled my question and i found you. chase gave me credit cards and set my cc limits. some i was close and some not. i have 5 chase cards. i know that's too many, but like i said, they gave them to me. they shut one down and i asked if the other ones were okay and she said yes and today i got letters they shut them all down. i was never late on ANY of my cards and i paid my 21k car off in dec 2009 1.5 years early. i'm never buying a new car again. anyway, this is the concern i have. i told her you're going to ruin me. if any of my other creditors see where you shut down my cards, the rest of them will also. she was pretty mouthy about everything else but didn't have anything to say to that. she said i can never get these cards back again. i closed down 2 cards on my own. one had a zero bal with a 3k open line of credit. the other i owe 100. i was trying to help myself. when i pay off the 400 jcpenney with a 3k line of credit, i was going to close that one also. if other cc companies close me down, my credit is ruined, then i guess i'll file bankruptcy. i have no choice. they give and they can take. i'm sure i'll be better off without cc's. you're a slave to the lender. i remember having MONEY in the bank when i didn't have cc's. i could have bought anything i wanted. i am moving and trying to get a better paying job and i'll have money coming in. it just didn't come in fast enough. i'll have to wait and see what happens
This is a lot of unorganized drama. As in an earlier post by a different user, your mistake is bolded above.
flipper54 said: if other cc companies close me down, my credit is ruined, then i guess i'll file bankruptcy
Huh? Can you coherently elaborate on this or is it just panic?
flipper54 said: if other cc companies close me down, my credit is ruined, then i guess i'll file bankruptcy. i have no choice.This doesn't make any sense. You say they closed your accounts for no reason, yet if other creditors close your account then you'll have to file bankruptcy? This implies that you're heavily leveraging credit to keep you afloat, so they did have good reason to close your accounts.
BTW: Was this supposed to be a question, or did you accidentally post here instead of your twitter account?
ThePessimist
Ancient Member
posted: Mar. 22, 2010 @ 4:06p
t60 said: BTW: Was this supposed to be a question, or did you accidentally post here instead of your twitter account? Twitter has a 140-character limit for posts, and flipper54's wall of text was much longer than that. Perhaps it was meant as a blog post, but not a Twitter post.
flipper54 said: if other cc companies close me down, my credit is ruined, then i guess i'll file bankruptcyAs long as you were never Late and you do not owe them any money, it does not matter too much if they simply close the credit card account and you have a 0 balance.
tazmania99 said: Your spending pattern is considered a threat to BofA CEO's year-end bonus; therefore, your accounts have to be closed!
Thats pretty funny. One thing I have always known about paying cl before statement print in order for a high score if I was doing an apporama. I had some Chase cards cut mostly on inactive accounts. Screw Schase. I moved all that action over to AMEX/Discover and BOA. I have not had any problems or issues whatsoever with BOA. Chase on the other habd is in my doghouse. Had no issues with AMEX review which happened to me one time in the past 10 years. They actually raised one of my lines after that.
I see a credit thaw and realignment in the works. I started to get some decent BT offers this week. I think that by the end of this year things will level off. People with high scores and low util who know how this game is played should start to see some offers. People with lower incomes will see lower limits. It may be hard to expand alot of credit per issuer if you have several cards. I see the card issuers consolidating some of the cards/brands they offer as well.
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