Suppose you want to buy a used car but don't have much money for one. Your budget is in the $2,000 to $4,000 range.
Would it be better to buy a decent $3,000 car that will hopefully last 3 or 4 years until you can afford a better car, or should you take out a loan and get a $6,000 or $7,000 car and plan to keep it longer?
For $3,000 or so, you can probably get a 2000 Civic/Prizm/Accord/Taurus, but it will have A LOT of miles on it and maybe a few minor issues here and there. Repairs could add to the overall cost.
For $6,000 you can probably get a Civic or Accord with a lot fewer miles and a transmission that has more life in it, therefore fewer repairs needed.
Assume that you do not have a long daily commute and will only be driving about 2,000 miles per year.
TheThinker said: Your budget is in the $2,000 to $4,000 range. You can get a perfectly good, ultra-reliable 1992-1995 Honda Civic for that price. I had one for years and would still be driving it today if it had A/C.
Just make sure it's stock since most are modded to hell.
elleve
Ancient Member
posted: Mar. 14, 2010 @ 5:36p
2000 miles per year?
You're barely going to be using the car. Are you certain you want to buy one if you're barely going to be using it?
ColbyS said: TheThinker said: Your budget is in the $2,000 to $4,000 range. You can get a perfectly good, ultra-reliable 1992-1995 Honda Civic for that price. I had one for years and would still be driving it today if it had A/C.
Just make sure it's stock since most are modded to hell.
I know that $3,000 or $4,000 isn't a lot of money but I would hope the car would be at least a year 2000 model and have air conditioning. I don't want to drive an ancient car with no A/C
I want to buy a car. I won't drive it much but I still want one. I know that Civics and Corollas/Prizms are much more reliable than a Taurus, but I'm 6'1 and feel a bit cramped in a Corolla. A Taurus is pretty roomy.
I think I might be able to get a 2002 Taurus with 85k miles for $3,500. Good deal?
(Accords and Camry's are roomy too, but cost more)
I will only get liability insurance. And yes insurance will be expensive but insurance companies suck, I already knew that. And even though I'll average 5 or 6 miles a day, that's just an average. Some days I might drive 60 miles, and some days I might drive none at all. You can't bike 60 miles (unless you're Lance Armstrong)
But either way I have already made up my mind about getting a car. If it's a waste then I accept that responsibility. All I'm asking is whether I should go for a $3,000 car and if so, should I get a 2002 Taurus with 85k miles or stick to Civics or Corollas, even though they make me feel a bit cramped since I'm 6'1 and have long legs.
Honestly I think you are underestimating your mileage. As per above, that's 5.47 miles per day. You say that "assume you do not have a long daily commute" - that makes it sound like you do drive daily, but just very close (1-2 miles down the street maybe). If you only drove on weekends or something, maybe 2,000 is understandable, but if you're in the car every day, no way is 2,000 possible.
One trip to the movies or to a restaurant for a friend's birthday could put you over your weekly quota.
Obviously I don't know your situation and I'm just speculating, but 2,000 sounds like too few. That means if you own your car for 15 years, it will only have 30,000 miles on it. Do you know how ridiculous sounding that is?
TheThinker said: ColbyS said: TheThinker said: Your budget is in the $2,000 to $4,000 range. You can get a perfectly good, ultra-reliable 1992-1995 Honda Civic for that price. I had one for years and would still be driving it today if it had A/C.
Just make sure it's stock since most are modded to hell.
I know that $3,000 or $4,000 isn't a lot of money but I would hope the car would be at least a year 2000 model and have air conditioning. I don't want to drive an ancient car with no A/C I was talking about my car not having A/C. You can find a '96-00 model Civic for around $4,000, lower-mileage, stock, and will be infinitely more reliable than a pos 02 Taurus with 85k miles.
ColbyS said: TheThinker said: ColbyS said: TheThinker said: Your budget is in the $2,000 to $4,000 range. You can get a perfectly good, ultra-reliable 1992-1995 Honda Civic for that price. I had one for years and would still be driving it today if it had A/C.
Just make sure it's stock since most are modded to hell.
I know that $3,000 or $4,000 isn't a lot of money but I would hope the car would be at least a year 2000 model and have air conditioning. I don't want to drive an ancient car with no A/C I was talking about my car not having A/C. You can find a '96-00 model Civic for around $4,000, lower-mileage, stock, and will be infinitely more reliable than a pos 02 Taurus with 85k miles.
A Taurus is not a Civic, true, but it's not a POS either. I know several people who own a Taurus and are satisfied. The Taurus is much roomier than a Civic, that's a plus, and they are also cheap because they are often used for fleets so there are a lot of them on the market. Civics are cool but smaller and cost a bit more.
PReMieR said: Obviously I don't know your situation and I'm just speculating, but 2,000 sounds like too few. That means if you own your car for 15 years, it will only have 30,000 miles on it. Do you know how ridiculous sounding that is?
You're right, I probably will drive between 3,000 and 4,000 miles per year. As for the 30,000 miles in 15 years thing, that doesn't apply because in 5 years I might have to do much more driving. Like I said I only need the car for 3 or 4 years. By then I can afford a much newer and nicer car and will also likely be driving more.
TheThinker said: A Taurus is not a Civic, true, but it's not a POS either. I know several people who own a Taurus and are satisfied. The Taurus is much roomier than a Civic,I once drove a 2004 rental Taurus and found it more cramped than my smaller Escort, and I mean in the front seat.
This guy on Craigslist is selling a 2000 Honda Accord EX with 130,000 miles on it for $4,800 firm. He says it comes with a V6 engine and leather seats.
Good deal?
elleve
Ancient Member
posted: Mar. 14, 2010 @ 7:25p
TheThinker said: This guy on Craigslist is selling a 2000 Honda Accord EX with 130,000 miles on it for $4,800 firm. He says it comes with a V6 engine and leather seats.
Good deal?
Have you ever bought a car before?
Questions I would be asking wouldn't be the obvious engine type and leather seats..
Ask about previous accidents?
Is the title clear?
Is it a salvage/junk title?
Get the VIN number, check the title for issues and then get the car inspected prior to purchasing.
Edit: For someone with the username "TheThinker", you really didn't think this through much.
ppatin
Focused.
posted: Mar. 14, 2010 @ 7:32p
ColbyS said: You can get a perfectly good, ultra-reliable 1992-1995 Honda Civic for that price. I had one for years and would still be driving it today if it had A/C.
I think that the cult of the Honda Civic has gone a little overboard. Sure they're good cars, and the mid-90s ones are simple and last a very long time but it's a stretch to assume that any car that's almost 20 years old will be "ultra-reliable."
cdryuncle
Member
posted: Mar. 14, 2010 @ 7:34p
Try to buy from an estate sale. Make you carfax whatever car you buy and if high mileage, make sure you have the maintenance records. I own a 99 v6 camry with 170k miles on it no problems. Of course I am the first owner and have done all preventative maintenance. Spend at the low end of your range, and put the $1k in emergency fund for repairs.
BWS
Happy Member
posted: Mar. 14, 2010 @ 8:01p
You can get a good car for $4000. I bought a used Camry 10 years ago for less than that and I've put 200,000 miles on it since. Go for a Civic or Corolla and it will last a long time especially only driving 2000 miles a year.
ppatin said: I think that the cult of the Honda Civic has gone a little overboard. Sure they're good cars, and the mid-90s ones are simple and last a very long time but it's a stretch to assume that any car that's almost 20 years old will be "ultra-reliable." The beauty of the cult is that all the kids that mod their Civics practically give away perfectly good stock engines/tranny/axle combos that can easily last 250k miles or more. Check your CL right now and I bet you can find a low-mileage setup nearly free.
Other than a wreck there is no reason those 5th and 6th gen Civics won't run forever. And they get great mileage. Win/win.
TheThinker said: I will only get liability insurance. And yes insurance will be expensive but insurance companies suck, I already knew that. And even though I'll average 5 or 6 miles a day, that's just an average. Some days I might drive 60 miles, and some days I might drive none at all. You can't bike 60 miles (unless you're Lance Armstrong)
But either way I have already made up my mind about getting a car. If it's a waste then I accept that responsibility. All I'm asking is whether I should go for a $3,000 car and if so, should I get a 2002 Taurus with 85k miles or stick to Civics or Corollas, even though they make me feel a bit cramped since I'm 6'1 and have long legs.
long legs are even better for walking!
edit: added quote
pennypicker
Thrifty Member
posted: Mar. 14, 2010 @ 8:09p
ColbyS said: TheThinker said: Your budget is in the $2,000 to $4,000 range. You can get a perfectly good, ultra-reliable 1992-1995 Honda Civic for that price. I had one for years and would still be driving it today if it had A/C.
Just make sure it's stock since most are modded to hell.
I'm still driving mine (1993 2dr Civic)....it feels great having no payment, low insurance, good mileage, not having to worry about dents and dings, or whether it will start or not, etc.
Surprisingly some people think it's much newer and are shocked when I tell them that in 3 years I'll be eligible for historic plates!
Questions I would be asking wouldn't be the obvious engine type and leather seats..
Ask about previous accidents?
Is the title clear?
Is it a salvage/junk title?
Get the VIN number, check the title for issues and then get the car inspected prior to purchasing.
Edit: For someone with the username "TheThinker", you really didn't think this through much.
Yes I DID think this through. I know all about Carfax, getting the car inspected by an independent mechanic, looking at the service and maintenance records. I know about all that. I'm just asking if you think $4,800 is a good price for a 2000 Accord with 128k miles. I have to decide on whether the price is good before paying for a Carfax report, test driving the car, and getting it inspected.
TheThinker said: For $3,000 or so, you can probably get a 2000 Civic/Prizm/Accord/Taurus, but it will have A LOT of miles on it and maybe a few minor issues here and there. Repairs could add to the overall cost.
Definitely buy the car with cash. You could wait a little until you save up more money but you certainly shouldn't get a car loan. My sister has a 2001 Mercury Sable and it's honestly been very low maintenance. We bought it used 5-7 years ago and we've put almost no money into repairs. We spent $100 or so replacing the serpentine belt. I don't remember any other repair costs. It has well over 150k miles now.
DTASFAB
Senior Member
posted: Mar. 14, 2010 @ 9:38p
You're 6'1" and you think a Civic will be too cramped? Seriously? I'm 6'4" and I weigh 250 pounds, and I find my 1985 Camry to be roomy. Driving 2000 miles a year, you're not going to be spending much time in the car anyway. Slide the seat back and stop complaining. You should be looking for a car that will be reliable and in decent cosmetic shape, nothing else. Pretty much any 1980s or 1990s stock Toyota, Honda, or Nissan with under 100K should do the trick. These cars are routinely available for very cheap. The insurance on them is also dirt cheap, especially if you have a decent driving record.
Part of why I like my car so much is because for a car of its size (176 inches in total length) the interior is extremely spacious. The back seat has as much leg room as a generation 3 Camry (1992-1996, 188 inches in length) and much more interior room than the similar-sized 1993-1997 Corolla.
TheThinker said: This guy on Craigslist is selling a 2000 Honda Accord EX with 130,000 miles on it for $4,800 firm. He says it comes with a V6 engine and leather seats.
Good deal?
There's most likely a tranny issue with that. I can't find my thread, but I started one here a few months ago because my 2001 Honda Accord EX V6 transmission died. Search google, it was part of a large class action lawsuit where Honda extended the warranties to 7 years/90000 miles or something like that (but obviously wouldn't apply to a car with 130,000 miles).
This class of Honda has major transmission problems - don't bother.
Have a friend or family member who is a mechanic go with you on when checking out cars. And make SURE you get to test drive the thing doing everything you would want a car to do. Have that person stand outside while inspecting the lights. Also check how it brakes, all the gears, etc.
Drive that thing and beat it up - make sure it works. Definitely take it on the highway - those older 4 cylinders aren't as powerful and you will want to know how it sounds when you stress it (sometimes its an issue whether you can take the noise!)
I ended up buying a used 94 civic for $1.6k - starting to rust outside but a good interior. Too bad no AC but I can handle that.
So it seems like most people here do not recommend the Ford Taurus. I guess my choices for a $4,000 car would be:
1998-2002 Chevy Prizm (mechanically identical to a corolla) 1998 or later Honda Civic 1998 or later Honda Accord 1998 or later Corolla 1998 or later Camry
Like I said before, I find the Civics and Corollas to be a bit small, I would rather get the roomier Accord or Camry.
Are there any OTHER suggestions? I hear that Hyundai makes very good cars, post-2002. Any thoughts on Kia? Is a 2000 Nissan Altima a good choice, like Motsuka said?
And by the way, I listed 1998 as the oldest model year because I would prefer driving a car that isn't ancient. Yes I know there are some good 90's cars out there, but if I can get at least a year 2000 model with not too many miles, that would be great.
RailroadTrack
Enthusiastic Member
posted: Mar. 15, 2010 @ 5:33a
2000-2006 Taurus. You can find one for less than $4k, and they're reliable. I had a friend in undergrad that had a 2002 model and put that thing through the paces and it never quit.
I personally had a 1997 Cavalier that I bought for $1500. I drove that car up and down the east coast with zero issues. 150k miles and only oil changes, brakes, tires, and a squeaky belt along the way. I kinda miss that car...
You are looking at the wrong years for Japanese cars. The best most reliable were late 80s to mid 90s. Teh 2000s hondas had tranny problems, toyotas had engine sludge etc.
Find some mint condition early 90s camry that some old people are selling for $2k. Old people are the best to buy immaculate cars from.
Also any mid 90s to early 2000s GM fullsize cars with the 3800v6 are dead reliable and get 30mpg
RailroadTrack
Enthusiastic Member
posted: Mar. 15, 2010 @ 6:09a
SUCKISSTAPLES said: You are looking at the wrong years for Japanese cars. The best most reliable were late 80s to mid 90s. Teh 2000s hondas had tranny problems, toyotas had engine sludge etc.
Find some mint condition early 90s camry that some old people are selling for $2k. Old people are the best to buy immaculate cars from.
Also any mid 90s to early 2000s GM fullsize cars with the 3800v6 are dead reliable and get 30mpg
+1. Everyone I knew who had a car with the 3800 were more than pleased with the reliability. A guy I knew had a Regal Supercharged with the 3800. It was one helluva car and rock solid.
Ditto on the Honda tranny issues as well and Toyota sludge. I may be a bit biased towards American cars, but if you don't want to be rollin around in a late 80s or early 90s ride, look for GM cars with the 3800 (there's a more than a few to choose from ) and Ford models from 2000 and later.
myf16
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Mar. 15, 2010 @ 7:34a
I'd buy the oldest, highest mile Lexus LS400 I could find, provided that it was cosmetically good. Ideally garaged, non-smoker. They are ultra reliable and will go over 300k miles. Earliest year is 1990.
Don't be afraid of old. Old is your friend. It makes for cheap parts from wrecking yards.
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