1. Coupon Misredemption (contentious topic). Coupon misredemption is redeeming a coupon for merchandise not stated on the coupon (or for no merchandise at all). Coupon de-coding can lead to this. • We tend to agree this is unethical and could lead to legal troubles for involved parties. • Currently, however, we do not disallow discussion based on ethics or law, unless at the advice of our legal team. Participants can choose to discuss coupon decoding, for example, sharing knowledge/experience and debating the merits, risks, and ethics involved. The discussion itself does little more than inform consumers, as we encourage all points of view be expressed. Further, when a member brings ethical/legal concerns to our attention, we note accordingly under the OP: “Members of our community have questioned the legal or ethical merits of this discussion. While we do not condone any unethical or illegal behavior, we believe discussion and debate helps our community make informed decisions. Please read, comment if you’d like, and proceed with caution.”
2. Buying/Selling/Trading of Coupons (desired by community). • While we don't allow the selling coupons, you can give the coupons away for free and sell the time it takes to clip them. • The coupons must be physically delivered (i.e. via mail). No scans sent by email. • No more than 100 total coupons per person at any given time. (curb store fronts activity)
Isn't there still stores that will accept expired coupons?
• The coupons must be physically delivered (i.e. via mail). No scans sent by email.
I thought folks in HD's post scans of coupons. What would be the difference of posting a scan, and emailing a scan? That could be a really dumb question
Isn't there still stores that will accept expired coupons?
• The coupons must be physically delivered (i.e. via mail). No scans sent by email.
I thought folks in HD's post scans of coupons. What would be the difference of posting a scan, and emailing a scan? That could be a really dumb question
1)That is why i am asking... i don't know. I know a very popular auction site doesn't allow them for that reason.... which is why i am asking/
2)You are correct. I was thinking about the "cannot be copied, or replicated" printed on them. Thoughts on that?
MarsdenFubar said: 2. Buying/Selling/Trading of Coupons (desired by community). • It’s not legal to sell coupons. Who says it's not legal? Just because a lot of coupons do have fine print voiding them if sold, does not mean it is illegal (against the law) to sell them per se. Need to be careful of the language here.
tlaxson said: MarsdenFubar said: 2. Buying/Selling/Trading of Coupons (desired by community). • It’s not legal to sell coupons. Who says it's not legal? Just because a lot of coupons do have fine print voiding them if sold, does not mean it is illegal (against the law) to sell them per se. Need to be careful of the language here.
Probably could use a sticky of common terms & abreviations for new couponers.
some to consider/include: q - coupon RR - Register Reward (Walgreens) WAG - Walgreens catalina - coupons/rewards that print from special machines at the registers (note: NONE of my sefl check out stations at ANY store have catalina printers; these are ONLY available using a real person cashier) ECB - CVS version of register rewards, generally good for a month after purchas, tied to theeir loyalty card, limited number of times you can do a particular ECB deal but limit is noted on EVERY receipt hang tag-usually found on wine/liquor bottles-good for $x off a particular purchase, often meat or poultry peelie- sticker on a product w/ money off that item or a related item
I am sure I/other FW members will think of more as the days go on
marvholly said: Probably could use a sticky of common terms & abreviations for new couponers.
some to consider/include: q - coupon RR - Register Reward (Walgreens) WAG - Walgreens catalina - coupons/rewards that print from special machines at the registers (note: NONE of my sefl check out stations at ANY store have catalina printers; these are ONLY available using a real person cashier) ECB - CVS version of register rewards, generally good for a month after purchas, tied to theeir loyalty card, limited number of times you can do a particular ECB deal but limit is noted on EVERY receipt hang tag-usually found on wine/liquor bottles-good for $x off a particular purchase, often meat or poultry peelie- sticker on a product w/ money off that item or a related item
Isn't there still stores that will accept expired coupons?
• The coupons must be physically delivered (i.e. via mail). No scans sent by email.
I thought folks in HD's post scans of coupons. What would be the difference of posting a scan, and emailing a scan? That could be a really dumb question
Not sure if I'm understanding this correctly, but I would think that you couldn't sell a scan, but share it with the community if you like....
Physical coupons are being sold only to pay for the time to collect them.
Some store do except expired coupons, but if you are selling them, then I would say to put the EXP. on it so those buying would know the date, and know if their store excepts expired coupons.
I don't think there is a big selling market with expired coupons, and most of the time traders are pretty clear with what they have to trade.
I normally see exp coupons collected and sent over seas to military families that can use them at commissionaires.
mtnmamamj
Senior Member
posted: Jul. 3, 2008 @ 6:36a
I am excited by this forum and know it is under construction. But I see too many offers flying and no organization. I would recommend sub catagories under this forum such as:
Grocery Stores
Drug Stores
Hardware Stores
coupons
That way if you are looking for a CVS deal, you don't have to sift through all of the information about grocery stores.
Only a thought, I will take the information anyway I can get it, though.
Any way to be able to upload attachments in the works? I have a ton of great coupons to share but they're mostly Adobe files. And just wanted to add that I can use expired coupons and actually prefer my procter and gambles with the old barcodes since the new barcodes don't work at my store.
soxandwaffles said: Any way to be able to upload attachments in the works? I have a ton of great coupons to share but they're mostly Adobe files. And just wanted to add that I can use expired coupons and actually prefer my procter and gambles with the old barcodes since the new barcodes don't work at my store.
MarsdenFubar said: soxandwaffles said: Any way to be able to upload attachments in the works? I have a ton of great coupons to share but they're mostly Adobe files. And just wanted to add that I can use expired coupons and actually prefer my procter and gambles with the old barcodes since the new barcodes don't work at my store.
I'll check into that.
Thank you that would be a wonderful feature to have!
i have not been able to read through all the threads in this forum yet, but i think that all items for trade should be clearly marked w/ what is wanted or possibly wanted for trade. this would curb people from posting a really good coupon and waiting for PM's to sell it for prime prices.
Just wanted to stop in and voice my opinion about coupon selling/trading. I am against it and wonder why FW is allowing it. Selling your time to cut the coupons is nothing but a front for selling the coupons outright. Same idea as offering a discount to pay cash instead of using a credit card (since it is illegal to charge a fee to use a credit card). Some also charge a "PayPal handling fee" and consider it a trade! WHAT??? Trading money for goods is SELLING.
A particular seller here charges different prices for different coupons. How can that be if she is just selling her time to cut them? Seems a bit outrageous to me. Sure we are only talking pennies, but some she charges 3 cents for an others 7 cents. That's over a 100% difference. It doesn't take over 2 times as long to cut the 7 cent coupon as it does the 3 cent coupon. It's quite obvious that she is taking advantage of the situation by selling the higher valued coupons (i.e. "better" coupons) for a higher price.
Right on the coupon itself says "May not be reproduced, purchased, traded or sold" and some say "not valid if transferred". FW USUALLY takes a hard stance on these issues, but in my opinion they are letting this one float by.
I'd like comments from FW regarding this matter...
According to the rules alpha edition MVP9596 said: We're starting off with just a few rules.
1. No links to, or posting of altered coupons. If it looks too good to be true, we're going to take the stance that it probably is.
2. Trading, buying, selling...are allowed. We're going to assume you're selling your service, and treat it as such.
3. Please tag your posts as accurately as possible. This is going to be a valuable tool in the forum, so please treat it as such.
4. Coupon decoding...discussion of decoding isn't illegal.
Welcome back! Let's work on making this the best darn grocery forum around.
I do not disagree Safteydance but according to the rules it is allowed here. As a result I will not share or trade with the poster who is selling her coupon clippings but it is still considered acceptable here even if morally questionable in terms of the coupons rules.
lindylady said: According to the rules alpha edition MVP9596 said: We're starting off with just a few rules.
1. No links to, or posting of altered coupons. If it looks too good to be true, we're going to take the stance that it probably is.
2. Trading, buying, selling...are allowed. We're going to assume you're selling your service, and treat it as such.
3. Please tag your posts as accurately as possible. This is going to be a valuable tool in the forum, so please treat it as such.
4. Coupon decoding...discussion of decoding isn't illegal.
Welcome back! Let's work on making this the best darn grocery forum around.
I do not disagree Safteydance but according to the rules it is allowed here. As a result I will not share or trade with the poster who is selling her coupon clippings but it is still considered acceptable here even if morally questionable in terms of the coupons rules.
Yes, I realize that it is allowed under the alpha rules. I am just voicing my opinion against it. I don't want this board becoming a Craigslist. Anytime you open up selling, you are asking for trouble (who is liable, scammers, etc).
SafetyDance said: Just wanted to stop in and voice my opinion about coupon selling/trading. I am against it and wonder why FW is allowing it. Selling your time to cut the coupons is nothing but a front for selling the coupons outright. Same idea as offering a discount to pay cash instead of using a credit card (since it is illegal to charge a fee to use a credit card). Some also charge a "PayPal handling fee" and consider it a trade! WHAT??? Trading money for goods is SELLING.
A particular seller here charges different prices for different coupons. How can that be if she is just selling her time to cut them? Seems a bit outrageous to me. Sure we are only talking pennies, but some she charges 3 cents for an others 7 cents. That's over a 100% difference. It doesn't take over 2 times as long to cut the 7 cent coupon as it does the 3 cent coupon. It's quite obvious that she is taking advantage of the situation by selling the higher valued coupons (i.e. "better" coupons) for a higher price.
Right on the coupon itself says "May not be reproduced, purchased, traded or sold" and some say "not valid if transferred". FW USUALLY takes a hard stance on these issues, but in my opinion they are letting this one float by.
I'd like comments from FW regarding this matter...
i have always wondered that too. if it was your time you were charging it would be the same price for each one.
also, where does it stop? one poster wants gc for his good coupons/rebate forms. so, is that okay too? can we trade coke caps for coupons?
SafetyDance said: Just wanted to stop in and voice my opinion about coupon selling/trading. I am against it and wonder why FW is allowing it. Selling your time to cut the coupons is nothing but a front for selling the coupons outright. Same idea as offering a discount to pay cash instead of using a credit card (since it is illegal to charge a fee to use a credit card). Some also charge a "PayPal handling fee" and consider it a trade! WHAT??? Trading money for goods is SELLING.
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I'd like comments from FW regarding this matter...
I believe FW is allowing it for the same reason as other boards and eaßy allow it. You can charge for your time collecting, clipping, sorting, listing and handling coupons. You cannot charge for the coupons itself. If someone bases their fees on coupon value, it isn't technically disallowed. I personally would prefer a flate rate for all, because higher value coupons often are attached to more expensive products. I'd have a hard time assigning a value. I throw out many coupons, but would be willing to take the time to clip, sort and list, if someone was willing to compensate me for my time. FW has limits on the amount:
"• No more than 100 total coupons per person at any given time. (curb store fronts activity)"
No one is going to get rich or make lots of money charging fees for a coupon service. Consumers doing this make a very small dent in illegal activity. Here is what the Coupon Information Center has to say;
"Coupon trading has been around for a long time but technically it is against the law. But consumers shouldn't worry about getting in legal hot water for trading coupons.
"We've got higher priorities," that include counterfeit coupons and the sale of coupons, said Bud Miller, executive director the Coupon Information Center, a not-for-profit group whose members include manufacturers that issue coupons.
Take a look at the back of a coupon and you may find a fine print notice that says it is illegal to sell or trade coupons.
The center has never gone after a consumer who trades coupons with other consumers, he said.
Producing counterfeit coupons, selling coupons, and stealing coupons are a different matter. Such activities could result in possible civil litigation from the manufacturer or even criminal prosecution from the government.
While the Internet has made it a lot of easier for people living in different parts of the country to trade coupons, it has also opened the door wider for counterfeit coupons as well as the illegal sales of coupons, according to Miller."
"Can I sell my extra coupons? No, there is no legitimate way to sell your unwanted coupons.
The sale or transfer of coupons is a violation of virtually all manufacturers’ coupon redemption policies. These policies are generally printed on the coupons or is available from the manufacturer upon request. The sale or transfer voids the coupon.
Persons purchasing coupons have often been associated with organized criminal activities. They often purchase the coupons as one aspect of a scheme to defraud the coupon issuers/manufacturers, usually by seeking to redeem coupons without purchasing any products. Individuals selling coupons to such crime rings have been charged with and convicted of criminal violations."
Clearly the CIC, which consists of coupon manufacturers, is concerned with organized crime and illegal coupon fraud. Those statements on the coupons are primarily there to allow the issuers/manufacturers to go after those involved in coupon rings intended to scam the issuers/manufacturers out of money. They are far less concerned with the average consumer exchanging a few coupons for others, or receiving a small handling fee in exchange for providing them. The issuers/manufacturers put out the coupons, anticipating that consumers will use them to buy a product. If a consumer has 8 coupons for product A that they trade for 8 of Product B, the manufacturer gets 8 purchases of Product B that they might not have otherwise gotten if the coupons were simply tossed. They know that we are far more likely to buy a product if we have a coupon or sale.
As the CIC says, no consumers have been prosecuted, only individuals/organizations involved in crime rings. FW, eßay, et al probably allow it based on this fact. If/when the lawyers swoop in, their legal team will advise otherwise. I'm sure there were many discussions with the legal advisors, before making this decision. Finally, something illegal many not necessarily be immoral or unethical to others, even though it is to you. The politics of coupon trading and clipping services is always going to be a touchy subject. FW knows it's going to happen, so they put forum guidlines in place to regulate it on the boards, rather than dissallowing and pushing it underground. I'm sure that the somewhat hands-off approach, is less of a problem. One of the problems with the previous incarnation of this board, was the need for more moderation than the revenue generated from use. It sounds like the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" approch is becoming the norm be it here, other internet forums, or even eßay.
Barb09
Ancient Member
posted: Jul. 18, 2008 @ 6:55p
First of all. CIC can post what they want. Bud Miller has been asked for YEARS to state one law..show one place that it is stated in the law books that coupon trading (or selling) is illegal (as he clearly states above). He can't. It simply is not illegal to buy, trade, sell, smoke, roll in, whatever your coupons. They are your legal property to do with as you wish once you own them. There is NO law behind the "trading is illegal" talk. Please, those that wish to follow that thinking...find the law. (that will keep you busy). If I build a website and post on it "owning a cat is illegal"..that doesn't make it so.
Next...some coupons say on them "void if copied, transferred, purchased, or sold". (some coupons, not most). BUT, that has no legal standing either. How can Kraft possibly void my Maxwell House coupon if my neighbor gave me the extra from their paper??? If I use a coupon traded from my friend and I buy the right product and redeem it properly it is this simple:the store gets paid, the manufacturer sells their product. Both things are what they want (the store and manufacturer). Trading the coupon doesn't legally void it. It just doesn't. There are no laws stating this either.
There are whole sites dedicated to coupon trading for pp...and they have never gotten legal issue. They have been in existence for YEARS and aren't underground or secretive. They are well advertised on couponing boards all over the net. If selling, buying, trading coupons were illegal I am certain that such sites would have heard about it.
No one has been prosecuted as it isn't illegal. The only laws in place regarding coupons are in areas of misredemption. It is illegal to send them in for redemption having never sold the item. You can't own a store...cut up 100 papers and mail the coupons in for redemption. That is against the only law in place regarding coupons.
My biggest upset is the apparent lack of respect for the site we are using. They issued rules and asked us to abide by them. So, we are going to challenge those rules, fight over them, post in people's threads arguing them? I am certain all rules set by them are thought out. I am certain if they had legal fears they were discussed with legal teams and worked out. If certain members have their own ethical thoughts against trading it is more respectful to your fellow members as well as the site to simply not trade.
And for those that want to use the "store front" argument and worry so much that big money is being made...you are way mistaken. Last week (at FW) I sent one RAOK to the person that asked for a trade for pp. So, you are WAY off base. Trading forums build relationships and community and support a coupon board that has deals posted in place. How nice it is to see that next week at CVS you need $1/1 Sure coupons to earn ECBs cheaply and be able to go to the trading board and have them on the way (versus buying 5 papers at as high as $2 each).
so can i trade a home depot coupon or a stap1es coupon now too. what are the rules?
Barb09
Ancient Member
posted: Jul. 18, 2008 @ 7:06p
To the person that asked about Coke caps and coupons...I don't see why not. Other boards trade coke codes for coupons. Why would that be not allowed? Gcs are used to trade all over the net as well. Many trade coupons for gift cards.
Why would you object to such a trade? (asking in an inquisitive sincere manner wanting to understand).
Barb09 said: First of all. CIC can post what they want. Bud Miller has been asked for YEARS to state one law..show one place that it is stated in the law books that coupon trading (or selling) is illegal (as he clearly states above). He can't. It simply is not illegal to buy, trade, sell, smoke, roll in, whatever your coupons. They are your legal property to do with as you wish once you own them. There is NO law behind the "trading is illegal" talk. Please, those that wish to follow that thinking...find the law. (that will keep you busy). If I build a website and post on it "owning a cat is illegal"..that doesn't make it so.
Next...some coupons say on them "void if copied, transferred, purchased, or sold". (some coupons, not most). BUT, that has no legal standing either. How can Kraft possibly void my Maxwell House coupon if my neighbor gave me the extra from their paper??? If I use a coupon traded from my friend and I buy the right product and redeem it properly it is this simple:the store gets paid, the manufacturer sells their product. Both things are what they want (the store and manufacturer). Trading the coupon doesn't legally void it. It just doesn't. There are no laws stating this either.
There are whole sites dedicated to coupon trading for pp...and they have never gotten legal issue. They have been in existence for YEARS and aren't underground or secretive. They are well advertised on couponing boards all over the net. If selling, buying, trading coupons were illegal I am certain that such sites would have heard about it.
No one has been prosecuted as it isn't illegal. The only laws in place regarding coupons are in areas of misredemption. It is illegal to send them in for redemption having never sold the item. You can't own a store...cut up 100 papers and mail the coupons in for redemption. That is against the only law in place regarding coupons.
My biggest upset is the apparent lack of respect for the site we are using. They issued rules and asked us to abide by them. So, we are going to challenge those rules, fight over them, post in people's threads arguing them? I am certain all rules set by them are thought out. I am certain if they had legal fears they were discussed with legal teams and worked out. If certain members have their own ethical thoughts against trading it is more respectful to your fellow members as well as the site to simply not trade.
And for those that want to use the "store front" argument and worry so much that big money is being made...you are way mistaken. Last week (at FW) I sent one RAOK to the person that asked for a trade for pp. So, you are WAY off base. Trading forums build relationships and community and support a coupon board that has deals posted in place. How nice it is to see that next week at CVS you need $1/1 Sure coupons to earn ECBs cheaply and be able to go to the trading board and have them on the way (versus buying 5 papers at as high as $2 each).
You are sure quite defensive about your activities here. I simply posted my opinion and used your post as an example. I am trying to promote healthy discussion about the topic. You obviously have a different agenda. There's really no need to slam and disrespect me.
Barb09
Ancient Member
posted: Jul. 20, 2008 @ 3:53p
SafetyDance said: Barb09 said: First of all. CIC can post what they want. Bud Miller has been asked for YEARS to state one law..show one place that it is stated in the law books that coupon trading (or selling) is illegal (as he clearly states above). He can't. It simply is not illegal to buy, trade, sell, smoke, roll in, whatever your coupons. They are your legal property to do with as you wish once you own them. There is NO law behind the "trading is illegal" talk. Please, those that wish to follow that thinking...find the law. (that will keep you busy). If I build a website and post on it "owning a cat is illegal"..that doesn't make it so.
Next...some coupons say on them "void if copied, transferred, purchased, or sold". (some coupons, not most). BUT, that has no legal standing either. How can Kraft possibly void my Maxwell House coupon if my neighbor gave me the extra from their paper??? If I use a coupon traded from my friend and I buy the right product and redeem it properly it is this simple:the store gets paid, the manufacturer sells their product. Both things are what they want (the store and manufacturer). Trading the coupon doesn't legally void it. It just doesn't. There are no laws stating this either.
There are whole sites dedicated to coupon trading for pp...and they have never gotten legal issue. They have been in existence for YEARS and aren't underground or secretive. They are well advertised on couponing boards all over the net. If selling, buying, trading coupons were illegal I am certain that such sites would have heard about it.
No one has been prosecuted as it isn't illegal. The only laws in place regarding coupons are in areas of misredemption. It is illegal to send them in for redemption having never sold the item. You can't own a store...cut up 100 papers and mail the coupons in for redemption. That is against the only law in place regarding coupons.
My biggest upset is the apparent lack of respect for the site we are using. They issued rules and asked us to abide by them. So, we are going to challenge those rules, fight over them, post in people's threads arguing them? I am certain all rules set by them are thought out. I am certain if they had legal fears they were discussed with legal teams and worked out. If certain members have their own ethical thoughts against trading it is more respectful to your fellow members as well as the site to simply not trade.
And for those that want to use the "store front" argument and worry so much that big money is being made...you are way mistaken. Last week (at FW) I sent one RAOK to the person that asked for a trade for pp. So, you are WAY off base. Trading forums build relationships and community and support a coupon board that has deals posted in place. How nice it is to see that next week at CVS you need $1/1 Sure coupons to earn ECBs cheaply and be able to go to the trading board and have them on the way (versus buying 5 papers at as high as $2 each).
You are sure quite defensive about your activities here. I simply posted my opinion and used your post as an example. I am trying to promote healthy discussion about the topic. You obviously have a different agenda. There's really no need to slam and disrespect me.
I didn't. I neither slammed nor disrespected you. I joined in the conversation which I understand we all have the right to do so.
Reread my post (I did) don't see your name mentioned anywhere. You may be being oversensitive. I am having a factual discussion...not an emotional one.
Barb09 said: SafetyDance said: Barb09 said: First of all. CIC can post what they want. Bud Miller has been asked for YEARS to state one law..show one place that it is stated in the law books that coupon trading (or selling) is illegal (as he clearly states above). He can't. It simply is not illegal to buy, trade, sell, smoke, roll in, whatever your coupons. They are your legal property to do with as you wish once you own them. There is NO law behind the "trading is illegal" talk. Please, those that wish to follow that thinking...find the law. (that will keep you busy). If I build a website and post on it "owning a cat is illegal"..that doesn't make it so.
Next...some coupons say on them "void if copied, transferred, purchased, or sold". (some coupons, not most). BUT, that has no legal standing either. How can Kraft possibly void my Maxwell House coupon if my neighbor gave me the extra from their paper??? If I use a coupon traded from my friend and I buy the right product and redeem it properly it is this simple:the store gets paid, the manufacturer sells their product. Both things are what they want (the store and manufacturer). Trading the coupon doesn't legally void it. It just doesn't. There are no laws stating this either.
There are whole sites dedicated to coupon trading for pp...and they have never gotten legal issue. They have been in existence for YEARS and aren't underground or secretive. They are well advertised on couponing boards all over the net. If selling, buying, trading coupons were illegal I am certain that such sites would have heard about it.
No one has been prosecuted as it isn't illegal. The only laws in place regarding coupons are in areas of misredemption. It is illegal to send them in for redemption having never sold the item. You can't own a store...cut up 100 papers and mail the coupons in for redemption. That is against the only law in place regarding coupons.
My biggest upset is the apparent lack of respect for the site we are using. They issued rules and asked us to abide by them. So, we are going to challenge those rules, fight over them, post in people's threads arguing them? I am certain all rules set by them are thought out. I am certain if they had legal fears they were discussed with legal teams and worked out. If certain members have their own ethical thoughts against trading it is more respectful to your fellow members as well as the site to simply not trade.
And for those that want to use the "store front" argument and worry so much that big money is being made...you are way mistaken. Last week (at FW) I sent one RAOK to the person that asked for a trade for pp. So, you are WAY off base. Trading forums build relationships and community and support a coupon board that has deals posted in place. How nice it is to see that next week at CVS you need $1/1 Sure coupons to earn ECBs cheaply and be able to go to the trading board and have them on the way (versus buying 5 papers at as high as $2 each).
You are sure quite defensive about your activities here. I simply posted my opinion and used your post as an example. I am trying to promote healthy discussion about the topic. You obviously have a different agenda. There's really no need to slam and disrespect me.
I didn't. I neither slammed nor disrespected you. I joined in the conversation which I understand we all have the right to do so.
Reread my post (I did) don't see your name mentioned anywhere. You may be being oversensitive. I am having a factual discussion...not an emotional one.
Sly one aren't you? You purposefully don't quote my message, but yet directly address each issue I described. We can see right through you...
Saftey and Barb, You two obviously disagree. Saftey I see your point about coupon trading being very close to coupon selling. However FW had declaired they are ok with it. You are obviously bothered by it. Perhaps Saftey you should block Barb as a user so that you do not see her threads or comments. It may make it a happier place for you. Barb, your reaction is just adding fuel to the fire. You disagree with Saftey and we all realize that no need to have page long post reply rants. Why don't you put Saftey on ignore as well
lindylady said: Saftey and Barb, You two obviously disagree. Saftey I see your point about coupon trading being very close to coupon selling. However FW had declaired they are ok with it. You are obviously bothered by it. Perhaps Saftey you should block Barb as a user so that you do not see her threads or comments. It may make it a happier place for you. Barb, your reaction is just adding fuel to the fire. You disagree with Saftey and we all realize that no need to have page long post reply rants. Why don't you put Saftey on ignore as well
The mods said to stop the fighting in barb09's thread. I did so. I took my comments here, thinking this is a more generic thread for DISCUSSING the topic at hand. Barb09 feels that she has to attack me here. I am looking for a decent discussion on this topic from other users. Barb09 has a different agenda.
Barb09
Ancient Member
posted: Jul. 23, 2008 @ 7:56p
SafetyDance said: lindylady said: Saftey and Barb, You two obviously disagree. Saftey I see your point about coupon trading being very close to coupon selling. However FW had declaired they are ok with it. You are obviously bothered by it. Perhaps Saftey you should block Barb as a user so that you do not see her threads or comments. It may make it a happier place for you. Barb, your reaction is just adding fuel to the fire. You disagree with Saftey and we all realize that no need to have page long post reply rants. Why don't you put Saftey on ignore as well
The mods said to stop the fighting in barb09's thread. I did so. I took my comments here, thinking this is a more generic thread for DISCUSSING the topic at hand. Barb09 feels that she has to attack me here. I am looking for a decent discussion on this topic from other users. Barb09 has a different agenda.
I will simply agree to disagree with you. Never ever attacked anyone...I made a factual argument/discussion that addressed several people's posts. Most had little to do with you and more to do with couponing law and forums set ups. You, on the otherhand, used my name THREE times in 4 sentences. It may be time for you to step back and breathe. My posts and comments simply had little to do with you.
Still interested in a factual discussion and not an emotional one.
Barb09
Ancient Member
posted: Jul. 23, 2008 @ 8:02p
lindylady said: Saftey and Barb, You two obviously disagree. Saftey I see your point about coupon trading being very close to coupon selling. However FW had declaired they are ok with it. You are obviously bothered by it. Perhaps Saftey you should block Barb as a user so that you do not see her threads or comments. It may make it a happier place for you. Barb, your reaction is just adding fuel to the fire. You disagree with Saftey and we all realize that no need to have page long post reply rants. Why don't you put Saftey on ignore as well
Thanks for your input. My page long response was to many posts and several comment here....not to SafetyDance alone. I had several points..not one long rant. (I don't consider my post a rant but rather a discussion and am disappointed that others see it in such a negative light).
SafetyDance said: Just wanted to stop in and voice my opinion about coupon selling/trading. I am against it and wonder why FW is allowing it. Selling your time to cut the coupons is nothing but a front for selling the coupons outright. Same idea as offering a discount to pay cash instead of using a credit card (since it is illegal to charge a fee to use a credit card). Some also charge a "PayPal handling fee" and consider it a trade! WHAT??? Trading money for goods is SELLING.
A particular seller here charges different prices for different coupons. How can that be if she is just selling her time to cut them? Seems a bit outrageous to me. Sure we are only talking pennies, but some she charges 3 cents for an others 7 cents. That's over a 100% difference. It doesn't take over 2 times as long to cut the 7 cent coupon as it does the 3 cent coupon. It's quite obvious that she is taking advantage of the situation by selling the higher valued coupons (i.e. "better" coupons) for a higher price.
Right on the coupon itself says "May not be reproduced, purchased, traded or sold" and some say "not valid if transferred". FW USUALLY takes a hard stance on these issues, but in my opinion they are letting this one float by.
I'd like comments from FW regarding this matter...
i completely agree with you, so i will not take part in it on this board. i will post deals for this forum and possibly trade, but not buy. i think that this promotes abuse such as people taking whole booklets of coupons from stores so that regular shoppers can't find one in their own store. this irks me to no end. ... and to whomever said that no one will get rich from "trading" paypal for coupons, sure, but that really doesn't change that it IS selling. besides, if you sell enough coupons it does add up. why else would people run websites for selling coupons if there isn't some kind of money to be made?
i have purchased a few coupons here and there on occasion, but I REALLY PREFER TRADING. I just don't see much of that going on here.
Barb09 said: lindylady said: Saftey and Barb, You two obviously disagree. <snip>
Thanks for your input. My page long response was to many posts and several comment here....not to SafetyDance alone. I had several points..not one long rant. (I don't consider my post a rant but rather a discussion and am disappointed that others see it in such a negative light).
Well, since I brought up Bud Miller, of the CIC; some of your post was directed towards Miller and CIC.
pecanpie ... and to whomever said that no one will said: get rich from "trading" paypal for coupons, sure, but that really doesn't change that it IS selling. besides, if you sell enough coupons it does add up. why else would people run websites for selling coupons if there isn't some kind of money to be made?
No one in this thread said "that no one will get rich from "trading paypal for coupons', at least I looked and could not find that exact claim. I believe you may have been misquoting me, and further taking what I said out of context, where I wrote,
"FW has limits on the amount:
"• No more than 100 total coupons per person at any given time. (curb store fronts activity)"
No one is going to get rich or make lots of money charging fees for a coupon service.."
I was responding to SafetyDance's question about FW allowing it. My comment, which I put in bold above, was in reference to FW's trading of coupons or coupon services allowance having limitations. FW is not going to let anyone use FW as a storefront to sell coupons. No one is going to get rich or makes lots of money charging fees for a coupon service on Fatwallet, because FW isn't going to allow them too. That there are people running websites for selling coupons is irrelevant to the point on the conversation, which is the trade of coupons for coupons, or for a service fee for the time and cost of finding, clipping, sorting, on FW. People running websites for selling coupons is an entirely different situation alltogether, that occurs outside of FW. What creates confusion, is when people don't properly quote, or quote out-of-context, or drag in a situation that was not part of the discussion, which changes the original meaning of what was being said.
i was also responding to safety dance. and i really don't see that mincing/changing the words makes the concept any different. what FW allows and does not allow does not change how i or anyone else feels about it. *shrugs*
i already got a PM from Barb saying that i am being mean to her. i thought that this forum was going to be good, but most if the trading that is going on is paypal. you can go to e bay or other coupon "selling" sites for the same thing - sure they aren't selling either they are charging a service fee. there is "trading" here of rebate coupons, but nothing is put in the OP saying what they want for trade, my guess is because it is only money. and i stated in my last comment that was in reference to safetydance that i don't want any part of it.
and here is my PM from Barb:
My first instinct to your post looking for Daisy .50/1s was to offer them to you RAOK.....but you have been so unkind to me on the board and made it so very clear you aren't interested in getting anything from me I felt uncomfortable even offering them to you free.
Just wanted you to know. A little kindness to those you don't know goes a LONG LONG way.
because i don't want to buy coupons i am being unkind? so, her "kindness" is giving free coupons on occasion ... sure, that is nice. i don't have truckloads of coupons, so i try to "give" to the community by posting deals. many members do absolutely nothing for the board - i do what i can.
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Barb09
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posted: Aug. 8, 2008 @ 10:07a
They aren't illegal but most boards don't allow them due to the potential abuses of "made up" receipts. I don't know if FW has said one way or the other. I don't know of any board that allows them or the posting of trading of crts. I guess it is a question for Marsdenfubar.
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