Use this anywhere other than on your own computer(and that does not mean your spouse's computer or any child over 18) and you risk being a special guest of the FBP for a couple of years. Even law enforcement has to get a search warrant to use one of these. Remember the criminal law came out of HP snooping on two board members about 6 years ago.
nsdp said: Use this anywhere other than on your own computer(and that does not mean your spouse's computer or any child over 18) and you risk being a special guest of the FBP for a couple of years. Even law enforcement has to get a search warrant to use one of these. Remember the criminal law came out of HP snooping on two board members about 6 years ago.
thats why you order two with your wifes paypal and then plant one on your own computer and the other on the person you want to surveille (probably your wife)
nsdp said: Use this anywhere other than on your own computer(and that does not mean your spouse's computer or any child over 18) and you risk being a special guest of the FBP for a couple of years. Even law enforcement has to get a search warrant to use one of these. Remember the criminal law came out of HP snooping on two board members about 6 years ago.
No even remotely true. It is NOT criminal to own or even use this device unless you are disclosing information that is protected by law. Spying using such a device on your spouse, kids, etc... in general does not fall in to any federal criminal statute and in fact this practice is quite common in divorce cases. Some states do limit how the information collected can be publically disclosed but the colleting of the data itself is not a crime. Yes if you are in law enfocement collecting of such data for purposes of later disiminating the data publically to disclose criminal activity will always require a warrant.
The HP incident you referenced was that HP's management violated SEC rules by disclosing private conversations between board members that occured outside of HP without their knowledge. In CA were that occured that equated to wire tapping. However, that is an extrme case of abuse where HP management knowingly stepped outside their legal bounds of employee monitoring. In general, if you work for any decent size company, most employee contracts forfeit all employee privacy rights while at work so there is so there is no expectation of privacy while at work even for personal conversations as long as you are using their equipment.
After what the Supreme court had to say today on electronic monitoring I wouldn't risk it. 9-0 it is illegal for law enforcement to do this sort of thing without a warrant.(I know the opinion was on GPS installation but the opinion covers this as well. I think hell just froze over with a 9-0 decision in a search warrant case from this court. I think that even having one of these in your possession is a really dumb idea. Now how many divorce lawyers do you think that the feds could put in jail? that is the good side of today's decision.
cnIsfg you know about as much about law as you do about computers.
"The FBI and the U.S. attorney for Northern California are also investigating HP for illegal computer intrusion and wiretapping. The company also faces inquiries by the Securities and Exchange Commission, the Federal Communications Commission and the U.S. House Energy and Commerce Committee." http://www.allbusiness.com/crime-law/criminal-offenses-misc-espi...HP violated the civil portions of the SEC regulations and the SEC only had a civil enforcement action.
Have you ever darkened the doorway of a federal court room? You definitely suffer from Dunning-Kruger's Effect.Wikipedia:
"The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled people make poor decisions and reach erroneous conclusions, but their incompetence denies them the metacognitive ability to recognize their mistakes.[1] The unskilled therefore suffer from illusory superiority, rating their ability as above average, much higher than it actually is,"
The charges were under 18 USC 2510 et seq and 1030 et seq are NOT within the criminal jurisdiction of the SEC. Go read the indictment if you have privileges to the on line files in the Northern District of California. Tehn post it here so all can see how dumb you are.
Just how many years of experience as an attorney do you have with the federal criminal law? Oh' you stayed at a Holiday Inn last night instead.
nsdp said: After what the Supreme court had to say today on electronic monitoring I wouldn't risk it. 9-0 it is illegal for law enforcement to do this sort of thing without a warrant.(I know the opinion was on GPS installation but the opinion covers this as well. I think hell just froze over with a 9-0 decision in a search warrant case from this court. I think that even having one of these in your possession is a really dumb idea. Now how many divorce lawyers do you think that the feds could put in jail? that is the good side of today's decision.
Once again law enforcement <> general public. Our constitution provides basic protections that are "supposed" to protect citizens from illegal search and seizures by our government. Law enforcement collecting data for purposes of bulding a criminal case against a suspect which may incriminate them later is an entirely different animal than spying on your spouse using this device. Unless your spouse is a federal judge for example using this device is perfectly legal. Todays GPS ruling has no relevance to using this device as long as you are not disclosing data collected with it that is protected by federal law.
This is very old tech. If you need this capability, suggest you consider software keyloggers which transmit the encrypted data to a destination you choose. No hardware sticking out of the machine, and the software won't be found unless you are specifically looking for it. That's for the better versions, the cheap ones will be uncovered by any decent malware search. BTW, acquiring the really good keylogger programs is not easy, but if you need it bad enough, you'll find a way.....
gordon6971 said: This is very old tech. If you need this capability, suggest you consider software keyloggers which transmit the encrypted data to a destination you choose. No hardware sticking out of the machine, and the software won't be found unless you are specifically looking for it. That's for the better versions, the cheap ones will be uncovered by any decent malware search. BTW, acquiring the really good keylogger programs is not easy, but if you need it bad enough, you'll find a way.....
Bad idea. There is a reason that the data is collected ON this device and NOT forwarded to another location. Once you start transmitting collected data over public networks (ie the Internet ,telephone lines) then Federal wire tapping laws apply. In that case , as nsdp stated the FBI will be paying you a visit if discovered. Most who use these USB keyloggers hide them inside the computer and conenct them via a USB motherboard header to USB A adapter cable like this one
nsdp said: After what the Supreme court had to say today on electronic monitoring I wouldn't risk it. 9-0 it is illegal for law enforcement to do this sort of thing without a warrant.(I know the opinion was on GPS installation but the opinion covers this as well. I think hell just froze over with a 9-0 decision in a search warrant case from this court. I think that even having one of these in your possession is a really dumb idea. Now how many divorce lawyers do you think that the feds could put in jail? that is the good side of today's decision.
cnIsfg you know about as much about law as you do about computers. You are confusing the Federal Wiretap Act (18 USC 2511, and related) with protections afforded citizens under the 4th Amendment.
cnIsfg said: Bad idea. There is a reason that the data is collected ON this device and NOT forwarded to another location. Once you start transmitting collected data over public networks (ie the Internet ,telephone lines) then Federal wire tapping laws apply. In that case , as nsdp stated the FBI will be paying you a visit if discovered.
The Federal Wiretap Act makes no distinction between the interception, disclosure, or use of private communications. A crime has occurred as soon as the communication has been intercepted (heard, recorded, logged, etc) - it need not be retransmitted for the statute to be violated.
Forget snooping on people, I wanna know if this device will log what information software token dongles exchange with the computer. And is it two-way by chance or just one-way?
EmiThis thing i I been focused on security more and more being both a network engineer and sys admin for a multiple isps since 56k days. Anyways this device is obvious if you intend to log input actions when either a custom router that i configure has the capabilities and can easily do it discreetly. Antivirus apps don't like keyloggers so this device could be picked up and flagged. I know eset scans usb devices now. don't know if its legal or not to keylog your own computers because keyloggers can double as a way to develop software and using the logs to determine the codes for I.e multimedia.buttons. also its not very discreet you got a new usb device instgalled all of the sudden how do you even explain what it is? And if you really wanted to find out what this usb device is that's not hard too.
I do believe in free speech and preservation of our privacy which we are slowly losing but I could see using a device like this for your kids to monitor their internet usage since software sucks and easy to disable or circumvent. keyloggers from hackers are enough trouble for privacy but I can see using it as a legit tool. But I don't like the way this is sold and marketed. Also as I write this I came up with 5 ways to avoid the device from logging data easily.
Even if you want a device that can intercept you don't need this. But like some of the members said, its illegal to spy over radio waves since our government or fcc controls our radio frequencies and spectrems so I won't comment further on that.
Trust in a relationship is important, if you feel your wifey is lying or cheating just dump her and move on. You should never have those feelings if you find the right person. It would suck to be paranoid throughout your life and have to resort todevices to check to make sure and making yourself feel protected. But if your wrong and invaded her privacy, and you still have the same paranoid feelings its time to see a md for therapy.
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