New 2011 SAAB 9-3 Sedan, 9-3 Sport Combi, 9-5 Sedan Liquidation Sale (SE Michigan)

This dealer is blowing them out. You are getting a lot of car for $27k on a 9-5. Their ad in the newspaper says they'll entertain offers. So you can probably get it cheaper. Plus the ad says they'll give you $2k minimum for trade-in including push, pull or drag junker.

3 days only (3/8 - 3/10)

"SAAB OF TROY LIQUIDATION SALE IS GOING ON NOW! EVERYTHING MUST GO! HURRY AND DON'T MISS OUT ON THESE ONCE IN A LIFETIME PRICES ON BRAND NEW SAABS! 4YR/60K MILE BUMPER TO BUMPER WARRANTY AVAILABLE!"

New Inventory

Who is offering the warranty?

Well if they can work out the "new car" warranty issue, a $27k 9-5 would be a nice car for the money. Long term repairs shouldn't be that bad, most of the important stuff is also in the Buick LaCrosse.

garbage deal.

I'll let Jerry Sienfeld know

I'm in the market for a new car, too but it not in socal.

Yep, after a little digging, Consumer Reports confirms that any buyer of these cars HAS NO WARRANTY - END OF STORY.

That's pretty amazing. If you have a problem, you will have zero recourse.

Saab Cancels All Warranty Coverage

Consumer Reports’ website clarifies GM’s position with regard to Saab warranties, saying the company will honor them only for cars built before Jan. 1, 2010, which includes mainly Saab 9-3s, but not new redesigned 9-5s or 9-4Xs. Saab owners with models that fall within the applicable warranty period will be treated as creditors under Saab’s bankruptcy proceeding, and could be offered some coverage from Saab’s assets once they’re sold. Personally, we wouldn’t be holding our breaths over the possibility of that happening, neither would we consider buying a new “as is” Saab without warranty coverage, no matter how attractive any “fire sale” prices may subsequently become.

It's actually worse than buying a used car OUT OF WARRANTY, because you can still get that used car fixed, serviced and repaired at a dealership, and there will be parts and components available.

It's crazy to buy one of these, literally.

LongDongSilver said:   Some dealerships are taking matters in their own hands by offering their own warranty out of the store’s pocket.

The problem with that is

1) How strong is the dealer, given the product (defunct; no longer made) they're selling. Their private warranty is not a manufacturer's warranty.

2) Parts are no longer being manufactured. If you go to Saabforums, there are people who can't get even minor parts, rendering their very newish cars paperweights. This is true in the U.S. and in Canada.

***3) The General Motors Protection Plan (3 Years/36000 miles) is NO LONGER AVAILABLE. So, there's no manufacturers warranty, period, available.

General Motors Protection Plan - Risk Calculator
www.gmprotectionplan.com/riskcalculator.htmlCached

Tab: About Service Plans ... To purchase a GM Protection Plan or Mechanical Repair Protection, contact your local ... (excludes 2009 and newer SAAB vehicles) ...

So you have to put the keys in the mid-console between the front two seats next to E-Brake. That just breaks the deal for me (j/k)

I wonder why Saab never thought of putting Integrated GPS in their cars, even in 2011 or maybe none of those are on sale.

A 3rd party warranty may not help if there are no parts to fix your problem. Something simple like a lost key may wind up costing over $1300 since Saab is out of key blanks.

lost key story

esoterica said:   asuka said:   I personally prefer the Caprice PPV, but the 9-5 gives the CTS a run for its money, at $13k less (not factoring the warranty).
The CTS is a RWD architecture, the 9-5 is a FWD architecture. That alone means they are not comparable for enthusiasts.

In general, you are correct. But here... you may be wrong.

Saab 9-5 has (optional) XWD. I encourage you to look it up... it makes the 9-5 an exception to that rule.

theblenny said:   Saab 9-5 Blank Key

Now how you cut it correctly......

Old key for old generation. Won't work with the '11 models.

Saabs are great cars, too bad about the brand. Yeah a new car will depreciate like a rock, these ones will depreciate a little less because the present value is already discounted heavily.

JesseLivermore said:   If I could get a bona fide, enforceable warranty, from a well capitalized company that will honor it in legitimate fashion, I'd consider offering 15k.

No, I am not joking. The depreciation on this car will be epic. Saab is never coming back.

You are stuck with the car, no matter what, once you buy it, unless you try and sell it on the used market, and good luck with that. Who the hell would buy it?

With codes and flashes and proprietary software and equipment needed to service/repair these, even with a warranty, where are you going to go to get the work done? A Volvo dealership? A Buick one? Who says they are obligated to do the work, even assuming they have the proprietary software, equipment and parts?

Maybe 15k is waaay tooo much, on 2nd thought.

I can't say I disagree with you, but that doesn't make me want one any less. The new 9-5 with its "XWD" and other shiny features really does look like a damn fine car. But I would never have been able to afford a new (or justify it), but at these prices, it moves into the realm of possibility.

But, like you said, I think the depreciation on it will be so incredible. That being the case though, I hope to be able to (possibly) buy a used one later on. Eventually, I'm sure people will have figured out how to get them serviced. Well before Saab had troubles, there have already been very established communities formed around fixing Saabs yourself. I'm sure this will continue for the last of the Saabs.

Saab resale values have always sucked. That's why I got a very good deal on a used one. To say the resale value of these new cars will suck is really restating what already is true. It's a niche product that has limited visibility in the used car market so hopefully if you buy new you plan to drive it into the ground or take a bath on resale.

As for parts, we'll figure it out. Someone will pick up required parts productions and there are plenty of third party providers for the standard stuff. For me, there's always the junk yard too.

esoterica said:   

It doesn't. It is still a reactive AWD system that normally sends almost all the power to the front wheels.

Guess we'll agree to disagree. I encourage anyone taking interest in this deal to test drive and see for themselves... that's what matters more than the letter that's in front of WD.

Warranty or not, how good are these cars really in terms of reliability? All auto brands have improved in recent years, but historically Saab has not been very good, whether tied in with GM or not. (GM overall has not been tops, either.)

First, aside from the massive unknown on the warranty issue (see below), if you go to Saabforums, there is a member who has posted two dealer invoice lists, showing 9-5-s listed for as much 19k under invoice in Ohio and Arizona (not under MSRP, but under invoice!; or, in other words, about 22k under MSRP). Most of the 9-5s he has a pdf dealer file of are premium trim ones, and are LISTED for 23k to 26k, and have MSRPs above 44k.

(Those same dealers have 9-3s at 17k under MSRP, approximately).

So, even here, this dealer in OPs post is asking well above what other dealers are (I will post the link if a moderator gives me permission).

I disagree about the warranty. Ally is not GM. There are going to be many disclaimers and provisos in that warranty.

Learn to familiarize yourself with legal jargon, because what do you think that Ally warranty is going to say its obligation is if parts a Saab are deemed "unavailable?"

If you guessed you won't have any recourse, I think you're thinking correctly. How is anyone going to enforce warranty terms if the parts needed to so aren't available, or have to be located in some bin halfway around the world?

As for the shared platforms with GM vehicles, yes the 9-5 shares a general platform with the LaCrosse, and the 9-4 shares a platform with the SRX, but that's essentially the chassis. There are thousands of parts that are not shared (in the event of a collision, you'll find out how many parts can't simply be procured from those GM vehicles).

I genuinely feel sorry for anyone who bought a Saab in the last year, not knowing Saab was going down for good. What a nightmare.

they changed their name back when they were prosecuted for mortgage fraud. Ally is definitely the former GMAC. Aside from that, this deal isnt a deal at all, even for 50% off MSRP, or 75% off MSRP. GM has already publicly announced they will not honor any warranty for Saab's. The thread topic should be revised to say YMMV and AT YOUR OWN RISK. The aftermarket warranty offers are probably a joke at best, but go right ahead and spend your hard earned cash on this non-deal deal.

I have no fight. I am simply seeking to gain pricing information from the "Market", those persons that are interested in purchasing a Saab, as to what is a fair price for a "Damaged Goods" Saab. I might find that the "Market" is willing to pay more that I am for a "Damaged Goods" vehicle. At this point, I will simply purchase another vehicle.

Only time will tell if I am crazy for wanting to purchase a "Damaged Goods" Saab, crazy for expecting that dealers will sell their vehicles for their "True Market Value" rather than large discounts from inflated MSRPs, or crazy as a fox for acurately assessing the "Market" and getting a bargain when the port cars are sold to retail customers.