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ljderm
Senior Member
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 8:36a
This is going to sound pretty silly to you Techie types, but could you install Win 98 on a SSD machine like this? I do of course have the full version disk.
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KayK
Harlem Shake
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 8:51a
ljderm said: This is going to sound pretty silly to you Techie types, but could you install Win 98 on a SSD machine like this? I do of course have the full version disk.This begs the question.. why on earth would you want to install windows 98?
zSandman
Member
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 8:53a
ljderm said: This is going to sound pretty silly to you Techie types, but could you install Win 98 on a SSD machine like this? I do of course have the full version disk. SSD won't be a problem but you probably won't find drivers for network controllers, video, audio and other devices.
zSandman
Member
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 8:54a
KayK said: This begs the question.. why on earth would you want to install windows 98? No it does NOT
secstate
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 9:47a
zSandman said: ljderm said: This is going to sound pretty silly to you Techie types, but could you install Win 98 on a SSD machine like this? I do of course have the full version disk. SSD won't be a problem but you probably won't find drivers for network controllers, video, audio and other devices.
Also no trim with 98 and it will not align the partitions correctly either so performance will suffer.
sgogo
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 9:49a
ljderm said: This is going to sound pretty silly to you Techie types, but could you install Win 98 on a SSD machine like this? I do of course have the full version disk.
I would advise against it. I still have one machine with win 98 that I use as a file server and, although it is stable and very fast, there are no drivers made for it anymore. Also, it will not run most newer programs.
Good Luck! SteveG
sgogo
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 9:52a
secstate said: ...Also no trim with 98 and it will not align the partitions correctly either so performance will suffer.
Trim is a little overrated. I have machines running w/o trim that are fine.
Partition alignment is important, but that can easily (ok, not real easily) be done manually.
SteveG
ragedogg69
Senior Member
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 10:13a
Will these nettops have enough horsepower to simply run utorrent, and feed mysql to my other xbmc boxes on my network?
BigWhy
Member
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 10:16a
which one is the best to run XBMC (for media center use only)??? Newegg has a bunch of this deal... any suggestion?
zoid99
Senior Member
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 10:23a
The AMD coupled with the Radeon 6310 is a better performer than the Atom however it may run a little hotter.
texaopian
Geeky member
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 10:24a
sgogo said: ljderm said: This is going to sound pretty silly to you Techie types, but could you install Win 98 on a SSD machine like this? I do of course have the full version disk. ...I still have one machine with win 98 that I use as a file server and, although it is stable and very fast, there are no drivers made for it anymore. Also, it will not run most newer programs. SteveG
A couple of the most popular uses for old Win98 boxes are file servers (Win98 is "limited" to 256 connections vs XP,Vista,7's 10 connections) and telephony apps (voicemail, fax servers, etc). I run across them more often than not.
Personally, I'd just install one of the various Linux servers (like SME Server which is super easy to use).
randi4ni
Member
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 10:29a
the amd system is better than the atom . esp. since same price.
also the e-350 has way better GPU
both are dogs.
sandybridge based celeron laptops are <300$ and over 2x as fast and come with everything you need (hdmi out, hdd, memory) and you can use it as a laptop too.
might consider this instead esp if you need a laptop occasionally.
ragedogg69
Senior Member
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 10:31a
BigWhy said: which one is the best to run XBMC (for media center use only)??? Newegg has a bunch of this deal... any suggestion? That comes down to what content you are going to try to play with it. 720p should be no problem with any of these.
Matrim33
Wacky Member
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 10:39a
Whenever I hear Foxconn, I think of factories with nets to catch employees trying to commit suicide.
ljderm
Senior Member
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 10:42a
KayK said: ljderm said: This is going to sound pretty silly to you Techie types, but could you install Win 98 on a SSD machine like this? I do of course have the full version disk.This begs the question.. why on earth would you want to install windows 98?
I have one old program that will not run on Win XP or later. Keeping the Win 98 machine as a file server for that program and the software that runs it. Other XP computers can process the data that are networked to the 98 machine, but when that HD fails, and it surely will, I want something to use again. Granted I could get an old IDE HD, but was looking for another newer option. Speed is not the issue.
Thanks for the comments.
zSandman
Member
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 10:56a
ljderm said: KayK said: ljderm said: This is going to sound pretty silly to you Techie types, but could you install Win 98 on a SSD machine like this? I do of course have the full version disk.This begs the question.. why on earth would you want to install windows 98?
I have one old program that will not run on Win XP or later. Keeping the Win 98 machine as a file server for that program and the software that runs it. Other XP computers can process the data that are networked to the 98 machine, but when that HD fails, and it surely will, I want something to use again. Granted I could get an old IDE HD, but was looking for another newer option. Speed is not the issue.
Thanks for the comments. You're better off running win98 within a virtual machine on Win7 or Linux
zSandman
Member
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 10:58a
Is there an operating system on it? It doesn't say anything in product description
lyeinyoureye
Senior Member
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 10:58a
ljderm said: I have one old program that will not run on Win XP or later. Keeping the Win 98 machine as a file server for that program and the software that runs it. Other XP computers can process the data that are networked to the 98 machine, but when that HD fails, and it surely will, I want something to use again. Granted I could get an old IDE HD, but was looking for another newer option. Speed is not the issue.
Thanks for the comments. Grab an IDE to SATA converter and use something like DD to copy over everything so you don't have to worry about a failure, at least not in the "I have to replace my computer" sense. You could also try a virtual machine as was mentioned, but it depends on what that program does and may not work depending on the circumstances.
HappyScrappyHeroPup
Thrifty Member
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 11:07a
How much RAM does it come with?
What an awful product description. It says so little.
ragedogg69
Senior Member
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 11:19a
bare bones system. needs ram. needs os. comes with the ssd for a drive.
alcibiadescc
Loyal Member
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 11:33a
No memory comes with it. It's a barebone. You have to buy RAM and HDD.
I bought one 6 month ago (AMD E350, 2GB RAM, 320GB HDD).
720p => check. 1080p =>80% OK(CPU pushed to 90%). Netflix => Can't steam HD (Not hardware's fault, Netflix don't support DXVA) Firefox, chrome...etc. =>A little slow. Heat? => 75C-85C => very hot... Gaming=> no....but I am able to play League of Legends at 15-20 FPS.
You can add ram up to 8GB but it's pointless on this min-pc. SSD can help a litte but the bottle neck is CPU.
WIN7 Index CPU 3.8 RAM 5.6 Aero 4.0 Gaming 5.4 HDD 5.9
I sold my build on the CL (Lost about $15) then switch to a new build (i3 2120T, 8GB RAM, 128GB SSD + 1TB HDD).
bosbeemer
Member
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 12:25p
ragedogg69 said: Will these nettops have enough horsepower to simply run utorrent, and feed mysql to my other xbmc boxes on my network?
Yes for running utorrent and feeding to xbmc, but I'm not completely sure of mysql here?
hickoryboyz
New Member
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 2:06p
I have an existing HTPC running Win7 Media Center, Silicon Dust HDHomeRun. I need another something in another room to get live TV (via wifi/hdhomerun) and watch recorded shows from the existing living room HTPC (via wifi/Win7 media sharing/homegroups). Does this pack enough punch to be able to do that?
g0dMAn
Addicted Member
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 2:11p
For those questioning the ability of this. I have the black foxconn nettop with the same CPU. It DOES pack enough punch. The CPU can handle 720p, but if you want to watch 1080p you need to ensure you have the right codecs installed. I fought to get Sharky007's codecs installed (and there is a way), but I instead did this... INSTALLED XBMC!!! Problem solved! I can play my Ceton tuner's tv channels (from my other server/HTPC), and I can watch MKV 1080p movies!!
This thing is a SWEET DEAL!!
cdhawan
Graceful Member
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 4:09p
The Free SSD has $10 rebate going on, Can we avail that as well?
lyeinyoureye said: ljderm said: I have one old program that will not run on Win XP or later. Keeping the Win 98 machine as a file server for that program and the software that runs it. Other XP computers can process the data that are networked to the 98 machine, but when that HD fails, and it surely will, I want something to use again. Granted I could get an old IDE HD, but was looking for another newer option. Speed is not the issue.
Thanks for the comments. Grab an IDE to SATA converter and use something like DD to copy over everything so you don't have to worry about a failure, at least not in the "I have to replace my computer" sense. You could also try a virtual machine as was mentioned, but it depends on what that program does and may not work depending on the circumstances.
Sadly, my computer was forced restart (I hate MS!!!) during a D-to-D copy. Almost lose a 2T HDD...
wkentw said: I have an existing HTPC running Win7 Media Center, Silicon Dust HDHomeRun. I need another something in another room to get live TV (via wifi/hdhomerun) and watch recorded shows from the existing living room HTPC (via wifi/Win7 media sharing/homegroups). Does this pack enough punch to be able to do that?
According to Silicon Dust's website, E & Atom have both got reports about not capable for decoding.
However, it also said CPU with 2 cores or more and with hardware acceleration should be OK.
Even my 8 years old Dell Dimension played HD videos. So I'll give it a chance.
asuka
Senior Member
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 4:54p
papajoker said: wkentw said: I have an existing HTPC running Win7 Media Center, Silicon Dust HDHomeRun. I need another something in another room to get live TV (via wifi/hdhomerun) and watch recorded shows from the existing living room HTPC (via wifi/Win7 media sharing/homegroups). Does this pack enough punch to be able to do that?
According to Silicon Dust's website, E & Atom have both got reports about not capable for decoding.
However, it also said CPU with 2 cores or more and with hardware acceleration should be OK.
Even my 8 years old Dell Dimension played HD videos. So I'll give it a chance.
E-350's GPU should be able to... just not the CPU portion alone. I have one of these, never had a problem watching HD video on it.
MeIsCheap
Nerdy Member
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 5:40p
asuka said: papajoker said: wkentw said: I have an existing HTPC running Win7 Media Center, Silicon Dust HDHomeRun. I need another something in another room to get live TV (via wifi/hdhomerun) and watch recorded shows from the existing living room HTPC (via wifi/Win7 media sharing/homegroups). Does this pack enough punch to be able to do that?
According to Silicon Dust's website, E & Atom have both got reports about not capable for decoding.
However, it also said CPU with 2 cores or more and with hardware acceleration should be OK.
Even my 8 years old Dell Dimension played HD videos. So I'll give it a chance.
E-350's GPU should be able to... just not the CPU portion alone. I have one of these, never had a problem watching HD video on it.
I believe I have the black version of this nettop. Haven't had any issues with HDHomeRun, but then again I don't use it much. The HDHomeRun is only sending 1080i or 720p out, so it would be hard to fathom this unit having problems with it.
note: My nettop is running off a SSD, so that may be why I have no issues.
optical
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 6:10p
I heard you have to grease the CPU once every 6 months on win 98. Perhaps other techies can confirm this.
sgogo said: secstate said: ...Also no trim with 98 and it will not align the partitions correctly either so performance will suffer.
Trim is a little overrated. I have machines running w/o trim that are fine.
Partition alignment is important, but that can easily (ok, not real easily) be done manually.
SteveG
mvpatel
New Member
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 6:12p
Would this be a good computer for my medical office...staff just need basic internet, some scanning and minimal document management?
encript
Member
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 6:13p
The AMD version only supports 4 GB maximum memory and the atom supports for 4gb gigabytes as well. The AMD Nettop gives you USB 3.0 slots the other one does not. I choose the amd. I hope that xbmcbuntu xbmc(live) will use hardware acceleration.
g0dMAn
Addicted Member
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 8:00p
This really is such an insanely awesome deal that I'm feeling INCLINED to buy another to use as a thin client or something!!
rigor
Senior Member - 10K
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 8:00p
mvpatel said: Would this be a good computer for my medical office...staff just need basic internet, some scanning and minimal document management? you want the proliant microserver - ecc memory - ability to use p400/p410 real raid controllers - hot pluggable drives (with p400/p410) - esxi 5 and hyper-v compatible.
This is a great deal but you don't need video and want to run 8-16GB of ECC ram and you could run a small office (everything) off one server under 75 watts.
not bad for a htpc but how is it going to handle h.265 in a year or so?
hdsong
Senior Member
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 8:25p
rigor said: mvpatel said: Would this be a good computer for my medical office...staff just need basic internet, some scanning and minimal document management? you want the proliant microserver - ecc memory - ability to use p400/p410 real raid controllers - hot pluggable drives (with p400/p410) - esxi 5 and hyper-v compatible.
This is a great deal but you don't need video and want to run 8-16GB of ECC ram and you could run a small office (everything) off one server under 75 watts.
not bad for a htpc but how is it going to handle h.265 in a year or so? I think he means just for front desk use as workstation using something like practicefusion instead of a data server, which I think this should be just fine.
jjfat
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Aug. 23, 2012 @ 9:29p
asuka said: papajoker said: wkentw said: I have an existing HTPC running Win7 Media Center, Silicon Dust HDHomeRun. I need another something in another room to get live TV (via wifi/hdhomerun) and watch recorded shows from the existing living room HTPC (via wifi/Win7 media sharing/homegroups). Does this pack enough punch to be able to do that?
According to Silicon Dust's website, E & Atom have both got reports about not capable for decoding.
However, it also said CPU with 2 cores or more and with hardware acceleration should be OK.
Even my 8 years old Dell Dimension played HD videos. So I'll give it a chance.
E-350's GPU should be able to... just not the CPU portion alone. I have one of these, never had a problem watching HD video on it.
Does anyone have real world experience about video performance, conparing this one (AMD + Raedon) and AcerRevo (Atom + ION)? Thanks.
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