Crosman Doomsday Bug-Out Survival Kit with .22 Air Rifle and accessories only $69 ( Was $140 ) Store Pick Up @ Wal-Mart

An air rifle is good when you don't want to be found. It's hard to be quiet with a regular rifle or shotgun.

Hopefully "doomsday" will only include zombie field mice...since 525 fps is quite low.

Doomsday? Air rifle? Hahaha

Mrbyte said:   An air rifle is good when you don't want to be found. It's hard to be quiet with a regular rifle or shotgun.

My 22 rifle isn't much louder with shorts then my crossman .177 pump, the regular 22lr is a touch louder than that, although anything supersonic will crack.

I'd like to try the CB cabs and compare next to the air rifle.

lemonhead said:   lordoffire said:    ... i have never heard of this before - if you don't, then there is no way it could be considered a firearm.


Definition of FIREARM
: a weapon from which a shot is discharged by gunpowder —usually used of small arms

Just because YOU haven't heard of it doesn't mean that it isn't a local ordinance somewhere, regardless of your offered "definition".

You'll shoot your eye out, kid.

lemonhead said:   i don't know how that is possible - do you have to do a background check for an air rifle? i have never heard of this before - if you don't, then there is no way it could be considered a firearm.


Definition of FIREARM
: a weapon from which a shot is discharged by gunpowder —usually used of small arms

state law says anything exceeding .177 is a firearm (shouldn't include paintball guns):

The word "firearm", except as otherwise specifically defined in the statutes, shall be construed to include any weapon from which a dangerous projectile may be propelled by using explosives, gas or air as a means of propulsion, except any smooth bore rifle or handgun designed and manufactured exclusively for propelling BB’s not exceeding .177 calibre by means of spring, gas or air.

lordoffire said:   lemonhead said:   i don't know how that is possible - do you have to do a background check for an air rifle? i have never heard of this before - if you don't, then there is no way it could be considered a firearm.


Definition of FIREARM
: a weapon from which a shot is discharged by gunpowder —usually used of small arms

state law says anything exceeding .177 is a firearm (shouldn't include paintball guns):

The word "firearm", except as otherwise specifically defined in the statutes, shall be construed to include any weapon from which a dangerous projectile may be propelled by using explosives, gas or air as a means of propulsion, except any smooth bore rifle or handgun designed and manufactured exclusively for propelling BB’s not exceeding .177 calibre by means of spring, gas or air.
I wasn't trying to argue but in MY STATE if i purchase a FIREARM (as defined above - taken from www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/firearm) I must have a background check done - or my Concealed Carry permit is sufficient.

however looking at your statute (if that is in fact what you referenced above) the comment about "shouldn't include paintball guns" is inaccurate - because of the way the statute is written (and yes, interpration of the law is always in effect) the part "any weapon from which a dangerous projectile may be propelled" - i'm thinking that a dangerous projectile MAY be propelled from a paintball gun too - regardless if that is what the intention of the device is or not.

I'm curious, what state actually has that statute?

lemonhead said:   
I wasn't trying to argue but in MY STATE if i purchase a FIREARM (as defined above - taken from www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/firearm) I must have a background check done - or my Concealed Carry permit is sufficient.

however looking at your statute (if that is in fact what you referenced above) the comment about "shouldn't include paintball guns" is inaccurate - because of the way the statute is written (and yes, interpration of the law is always in effect) the part "any weapon from which a dangerous projectile may be propelled" - i'm thinking that a dangerous projectile MAY be propelled from a paintball gun too - regardless if that is what the intention of the device is or not.

I'm curious, what state actually has that statute?

I mentioned it because I believe they were deemed "not intended to inflict great bodily harm"...common sense says they shouldn't be included.

I know people are making jokes thinking this was intended to take down zombie rodents. I think it's intention is to provide small game to eat after the doomsday, not to defend. Seems like a cool idea. But I would think you'd want something a little more robust.

We're talking doomsday here. I don't think obscure firearms laws will be heavily reinforced... "Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges! I don't have to show you any stinkin' badges!"

awhite3 said:   I think it's intention is to provide small game to eat after the doomsday, not to defend.

I think its intention is to create an outrageous mark-up for a cheap backpack, first aid kit, and water bottle.

No semi-auto really kills the deal.

FranksandBeans said:   Actually there is a good argument to include a high quality break barrel air rifle in your doomsday arsenal. A high quality .177 or .22 air rifle is sufficient for small game hunting, quiet, saves your real ammo, and requires no power source, just pellets. Pellets which you can store 1,000's of in a tiny light box.

That same rifle is a good stepping stone for younger shooter training as well.

Having said that a multi-pump crosman is not the one I would choose, you can get a good quality break barrel Gamo or similar for just a little more that is much more likely to serve you well.

Weel then... FW

As a sign of my cheapness, I'll have to endure a 14-day ship-to-store wait for my locale (continental US).

you can get the .177 pistol only with no extra frills for $39.99 from Amazon right now, this model gets great reviews and you can add the stock to it.

here