Lower Not really a deal but in stock & you do get free shipping.
Caliber- Multi
Manufacturer- AR Five Seven
Description- This forged AR-15 stripped lower receiver is the nicest lower we have seen. With additional features you don't see with other Mil-spec lowers, such as stock adjustment screw hole. You will not be disappointed!
I backordered one (a mega lower) from jse surplus for 124...if history is any indication, I should have it in a couple of weeks
ghostofdavid
Nerdy Member
posted: Jan. 24, 2013 @ 7:29a
Red for price. Thanks, OP. NO Thanks, Buds.
irishrob60
Member
posted: Jan. 24, 2013 @ 8:09a
I didn't order any but bet they will be sold out soon. Buds doesn't have any ARs to sell either but they have plenty for their auctions that are going for double or more. Just another way of price gouging.
ZombieHunter said: Stoodo said: Supply and demand.
Sadly, that's true. Last month, these were $80.
Could you do me a favor ? What's a list of the components needed to assemble a complete ar-15 with what prices were before the recent run-up ? I'm gonna wait awhile to see if demand lets up but I don't know what good prices would be ? TIA
hammer45
Wears Parachute Pants
posted: Jan. 24, 2013 @ 8:45a
Dinkytoy said: ZombieHunter said: Stoodo said: Supply and demand.
Sadly, that's true. Last month, these were $80.
Could you do me a favor ? What's a list of the components needed to assemble a complete ar-15 with what prices were before the recent run-up ? I'm gonna wait awhile to see if demand lets up but I don't know what good prices would be ? TIA
Not uncommon to find a complete rifle for $650 to $700.
kdn102
Shopaholic Member
posted: Jan. 24, 2013 @ 8:48a
Dinkytoy said: Could you do me a favor ? What's a list of the components needed to assemble a complete ar-15 with what prices were before the recent run-up ? I'm gonna wait awhile to see if demand lets up but I don't know what good prices would be ? TIA
A budget build from late 2011 for a friend (prices were about the same this year): Upper (without bolt carrier group/charging handle): 283 BCG: 100 Charging handle: 14 stripped lower receiver: 100 Lower parts kits (with grip & stock): 80 pmag magazine: 13
Total: $590
Which sounds about right...I saw a complete budget AR15 somewhere on sale this year for $699. So, takes my parts, add that pesky $100 tax and it puts them nearly at the same price.
rdh
Senior Member
posted: Jan. 24, 2013 @ 8:52a
Dinkytoy said: ZombieHunter said: Stoodo said: Supply and demand.
Sadly, that's true. Last month, these were $80.
Could you do me a favor ? What's a list of the components needed to assemble a complete ar-15 with what prices were before the recent run-up ? I'm gonna wait awhile to see if demand lets up but I don't know what good prices would be ? TIA
You could have built a rifle for as low as about $500.
I built a complete rifle with CHF barrel (PSA upper with "machine gun steel" FN CHF barrel), gunfighter charging handle, full auto BCG, spikes lower, PSA lower build kit, and one magazine for $650. I could have done better in price and saved a total of $110 on a complete rifle (saved $50 on the upper without chf barrel, saved $30 on BCG, saved $30 on charging handle), but I would have kicked myself for not getting the better stuff from the start.
duckbutter48
Member
posted: Jan. 24, 2013 @ 8:56a
Big problem is finding the BCG's and if you do them not costing $200000000. Keep waiting prices are starting to come back around and stock is starting to come back in.
Today's prices: mega lower from JSE Surplus: 124 (backorderable) lower build kit from PSA: 120 (not in stock today, but typically they have them once or twice a week) Complete upper from JSE: 375 (in stock)
total: 619 plus shipping and FFL fees (10 bucks FFL fee for me)
m362w
Dismembered Member
posted: Jan. 24, 2013 @ 9:19a
Yikes! Looks like Buds is taking a page from Cheaper than Dirtbags. I really think this post and many like it need to be posted on FatWarehouse....where everything is a good deal if it's in stock.
legendps
Cranky Member
posted: Jan. 24, 2013 @ 9:59a
pryan67 said: Today's prices: mega lower from JSE Surplus: 124 (backorderable) lower build kit from PSA: 120 (not in stock today, but typically they have them once or twice a week) Complete upper from JSE: 375 (in stock)
total: 619 plus shipping and FFL fees (10 bucks FFL fee for me)
i dont see an upper in stock for 375>?
umcsom
Ancient Member
posted: Jan. 24, 2013 @ 10:02a
FYI this place is dropping high end ARs almost everyday.
also good luck finding a mag for the home built models. That alone is gonna cost you $$$$
kevins7189
Senior Member
posted: Jan. 24, 2013 @ 10:13a
Stoodo said: Supply and demand.
No this is a lie, this is demand is higher for no good reason but NRA scare tactics, and supply purposely staying the same in order to drive up prices and profit on a national tragedy.
legendps said: pryan67 said: Today's prices: mega lower from JSE Surplus: 124 (backorderable) lower build kit from PSA: 120 (not in stock today, but typically they have them once or twice a week) Complete upper from JSE: 375 (in stock)
total: 619 plus shipping and FFL fees (10 bucks FFL fee for me)
umcsom said: pryan67 said: umcsom said: also good luck finding a mag for the home built models. That alone is gonna cost you $$$$
Why? Standard mags fit....and you can get them for ~15 bucks most of the time
where... I can't find any. Cabelas had them a week ago athleticimpact.com had them yesterday kesselrings.com had them for 19.95 a week ago...
they come in stock quite often
set a topic alert here of "ar-15" and "ar15" and you'll see them pop up
umcsom
Ancient Member
posted: Jan. 24, 2013 @ 10:27a
pryan67 said: umcsom said: pryan67 said: umcsom said: also good luck finding a mag for the home built models. That alone is gonna cost you $$$$
Why? Standard mags fit....and you can get them for ~15 bucks most of the time
where... I can't find any. Cabelas had them a week ago athleticimpact.com had them yesterday kesselrings.com had them for 19.95 a week ago...
they come in stock quite often
set a topic alert here of "ar-15" and "ar15" and you'll see them pop up
So you are saying I can't buy any right now?
I can't make it my job to sit around and try to beat someone else to the item. You are starting to stretch the truth a little here.
irishrob60
Member
posted: Jan. 24, 2013 @ 10:44a
My local gun shop/police supply puts 1 case of pmags out a day for $19.99. Limit 1 a day. I get 1 every day. Have plenty now. Check out the largest gun shop close by. The more volume they have done in the past, the better chance they will get stock first from suppliers. They have at least 1 complete AR & several uppers every day. Also PU Federal 5.56 for $8.99. Limit 2 a day on those
umcsom
Ancient Member
posted: Jan. 24, 2013 @ 10:48a
irishrob60 said: My local gun shop/police supply puts 1 case of pmags out a day for $19.99. Limit 1 a day. I get 1 every day. Have plenty now. Check out the largest gun shop close by. The more volume they have done in the past, the better chance they will get stock first from suppliers. They have at least 1 complete AR & several uppers every day. Also PU Federal 5.56 for $8.99. Limit 2 a day on those
You should buy and resell... There are NONE around me. I can't find anything around me. There are a lot of yellow flags that fly around me though.
umcsom said: pryan67 said: umcsom said: pryan67 said: umcsom said: also good luck finding a mag for the home built models. That alone is gonna cost you $$$$
Why? Standard mags fit....and you can get them for ~15 bucks most of the time
where... I can't find any. Cabelas had them a week ago athleticimpact.com had them yesterday kesselrings.com had them for 19.95 a week ago...
they come in stock quite often
set a topic alert here of "ar-15" and "ar15" and you'll see them pop up
So you are saying I can't buy any right now?
I can't make it my job to sit around and try to beat someone else to the item. You are starting to stretch the truth a little here.
how so? I said "you can get them for ~15 bucks most of the time"
I said nothing about "hell, they're available anyplace at any time for ~15 bucks"
I'm at work, and most places that sell them are blocked....and I don't feel like hacking around our proxy so I can hunt down magazines for you...I'd be happy to do so if you need me to though...
umcsom said: irishrob60 said: My local gun shop/police supply puts 1 case of pmags out a day for $19.99. Limit 1 a day. I get 1 every day. Have plenty now. Check out the largest gun shop close by. The more volume they have done in the past, the better chance they will get stock first from suppliers. They have at least 1 complete AR & several uppers every day. Also PU Federal 5.56 for $8.99. Limit 2 a day on those
You should buy and resell... There are NONE around me. I can't find anything around me. There are a lot of yellow flags that fly around me though.
Perhaps this is why you're having trouble finding them in stock in your LGS? Just a guess of course....
wdsmember
New Member
posted: Jan. 24, 2013 @ 12:35p
You will not be disappointed!
except for maybe the price...
i'll give it to you, at least they're in stock, but it burns my rearend when these people triple the price. yes, i do have a grasp on economics and the law of supply and demand, i also have a grasp on the law of customers will remember...
lemonhead
Senior Member - 4K
posted: Jan. 24, 2013 @ 12:45p
kevins7189 said: Stoodo said: Supply and demand.
No this is a lie, this is demand is higher for no good reason but NRA scare tactics, and supply purposely staying the same in order to drive up prices and profit on a national tragedy. it's not scare tactics from the NRA, it's scare tactics directly from the president of the united states and all the other ass clowns on capitol hill!
Stas1976
Senior Member
posted: Jan. 24, 2013 @ 3:13p
How much the machine that stamps these receivers can cost ? I saw on eBay used CNC machines for $5K or something. How much to pay to buy a real one ? Can I install one in my basement and sell the things it produces ? Can you download a software online to operate CNC machine and stamp lower receivers ?
Stas1976 said: How much the machine that stamps these receivers can cost ? I saw on eBay used CNC machines for $5K or something. How much to pay to buy a real one ? Can I install one in my basement and sell the things it produces ? Can you download a software online to operate CNC machine and stamp lower receivers ?
It takes a lot more than just a machine....assuming you know how to use it (or can hire someone who does), you'll need BATF approval, inspections, taxes, etc....
if you want to offer them for sale that is...for your own personal use....it's different, but I'm not a lawyer
Stas1976
Senior Member
posted: Jan. 24, 2013 @ 4:00p
pryan67 said: Stas1976 said: How much the machine that stamps these receivers can cost ? I saw on eBay used CNC machines for $5K or something. How much to pay to buy a real one ? Can I install one in my basement and sell the things it produces ? Can you download a software online to operate CNC machine and stamp lower receivers ?
It takes a lot more than just a machine....assuming you know how to use it (or can hire someone who does), you'll need BATF approval, inspections, taxes, etc....
if you want to offer them for sale that is...for your own personal use....it's different, but I'm not a lawyer
80% receivers do not need any approvals. It is not a firearm per say. It is just a chunk of metal. So assuming I am only making chunks of metal that visually resemble lower receiver. How much it would cost to setup the entire shop ? I am asking not because I am going to open one. Just curious how much markup those guys are making that have these receivers in stock.
Stas1976 said: pryan67 said: Stas1976 said: How much the machine that stamps these receivers can cost ? I saw on eBay used CNC machines for $5K or something. How much to pay to buy a real one ? Can I install one in my basement and sell the things it produces ? Can you download a software online to operate CNC machine and stamp lower receivers ?
It takes a lot more than just a machine....assuming you know how to use it (or can hire someone who does), you'll need BATF approval, inspections, taxes, etc....
if you want to offer them for sale that is...for your own personal use....it's different, but I'm not a lawyer
80% receivers do not need any approvals. It is not a firearm per say. It is just a chunk of metal. So assuming I am only making chunks of metal that visually resemble lower receiver. How much it would cost to setup the entire shop ? I am asking not because I am going to open one. Just curious how much markup those guys are making that have these receivers in stock.
I thought you were referring to completed ones..you're right, that technically 80% receivers don't require any approval...
I'd say that a higher end machine would cost half a million maybe? plus raw materials, etc...
my GUESS (without any real knowledge) is that a completed lower would cost about 50 bucks to manufacture.....figure only a few bucks less for an 80% (since there's not that much left to do once it's at 80%)
So even if it is double of that here. You pretty much need to sell around 400 receivers @300 to double your money (400*300=120'000). Nice!
m362w
Dismembered Member
posted: Jan. 24, 2013 @ 5:27p
kevins7189 said: Stoodo said: Supply and demand.
No this is a lie, this is demand is higher for no good reason but NRA scare tactics, and supply purposely staying the same in order to drive up prices and profit on a national tragedy.
Porter's Five Forces is your friend, as is Google.
umcsom said: pryan67 said: umcsom said: pryan67 said: umcsom said: also good luck finding a mag for the home built models. That alone is gonna cost you $$$$
Why? Standard mags fit....and you can get them for ~15 bucks most of the time
where... I can't find any. Cabelas had them a week ago athleticimpact.com had them yesterday kesselrings.com had them for 19.95 a week ago...
they come in stock quite often
set a topic alert here of "ar-15" and "ar15" and you'll see them pop up
So you are saying I can't buy any right now?
I can't make it my job to sit around and try to beat someone else to the item. You are starting to stretch the truth a little here.
pryan67 said: umcsom said: pryan67 said: umcsom said: pryan67 said: umcsom said: also good luck finding a mag for the home built models. That alone is gonna cost you $$$$
Why? Standard mags fit....and you can get them for ~15 bucks most of the time
where... I can't find any. Cabelas had them a week ago athleticimpact.com had them yesterday kesselrings.com had them for 19.95 a week ago...
they come in stock quite often
set a topic alert here of "ar-15" and "ar15" and you'll see them pop up
So you are saying I can't buy any right now?
I can't make it my job to sit around and try to beat someone else to the item. You are starting to stretch the truth a little here.
and gone before I could get to a computer..... even though I have alerts set up.
DriversFound
Cranky Member
posted: Jan. 24, 2013 @ 6:35p
I would stay FAR FAR away from these lower receivers. AR57 put out a ton that were out of spec. I'm sure many people have stored them away and have no clue. Others are working on having the replaced, but that's not a risk I would take. HERE is one link to a discussion about it.
As for magazines, those with common sense will go to DSG Arms and backorder BLACK Pmags. You will get them, but I'd guess a 2 to 3 month wait at this point.
~150k for a decent CNC to mill out lowers. Then you have to pay an operator, buy all the cutting bits etc etc. You wouldn't be able to compete $$ wise with a company that casts them (way more $$$$).
DriversFound said: I would stay FAR FAR away from these lower receivers. AR57 put out a ton that were out of spec. I'm sure many people have stored them away and have no clue. Others are working on having the replaced, but that's not a risk I would take. HERE is one link to a discussion about it.
As for magazines, those with common sense will go to DSG Arms and backorder BLACK Pmags. You will get them, but I'd guess a 2 to 3 month wait at this point.
Not sure why you gave me a negative rating, I'm a mechanical engineer who has designed a ton of machined parts. I know exactly how this kind of stuff works.
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yadayada
Senior Member
posted: Jan. 28, 2013 @ 5:38p
Bad price, but thanks for posting as it helps us see where the market is going.
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