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doofus said:   Not sure why I continue to indulge obvious Canon fan-boys (like I say...I have a G9 that I have loved, and actually just got a S110 for a pocket cam, so not like I am a hater) but here is a side by side comparison. These guys are saying the dynamic range on the Sony is better, so folks can argue with them. They have the EOS winning, but that is based solely on them loading up the weighting on the movie format and giving them a lot of points because Canon is more popular than Sony (which seems like a strange argument to me if you are evaluating worthiness in terms of intended purpose...I guess a Macdonald's hamburger is considered better than a McCormick and Schmidt steak because more people eat them).

http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon-EOS-M-vs-Sony_Alpha_NEX-3/scor...

Like I say, to each their own, but I personally don't value the video that much (and 720p is nothing to scoff at), I bought this thing to take pictures, and really don't care that the other one is more popular than this. I also like having an IS stabilized Zoom lens as opposed to the "better" smaller non-IS lens in terms of overall flexibility (if you want an IS stabilized zoom for your Canon, better find another $200). Also same for the flash...I like having an onboard for convenience, and oh by the way if the argument is that this is worthless and you have to have an external flash, this package comes with the external flash too, whereas you are going to have to pony up another $100 if you buy the M to get one. The panorama function is cool as well, and hey this thing can apparently take 3D pictures too! For $250, I have a quality cam, zoom stabilized lens, external flash (and onboard) which is going to cover 99% of the situations I find myself in. To match this with the EOS M, I would be in the $600 range so for me it is really not an apples to apples compare (If I was going to spend this sort of money, I would get a deal on a Lumix G5 closeout or even that Pentax deal on buydig that is working at the moment).

http://www.adorama.com/IPCDMCG5BKE.html


This is $600...and you get a $100 GC...so it is $500...and this camera slays that EOS M.

But again, this original post here was not for folks that wanted to spend $500+ to get a camera bundle...it was for folks who wanted to spend $250 (and $150 apparently if they get lucky!)




I own a Panasonic G5 (and many other M4/3 format bodies). Although it is very capable, it does not 'slay' the EOS M by any stretch. The video is MUCH better, though.

I'm not a "Canon Fanboy", I'm a real working photographer that knows a few things. Snapsort is infamously inaccurate, try DPReview. The NEX-3 only earned a 70% (almost as low as they ever give anything).

I'd actually lean a lot closer to being a Fujifilm "Fanboy", if anything.

One thing that you are right about: the Pentax K-01 is a better camera than either of these, especially with the DA 40mm f/2.8 prime.

jasonh328 said:   Snapsort is infamously inaccurate, try DPReview. The NEX-3 only earned a 70% (almost as low as they ever give anything).

Yet DPReview can give Gold Award at as low as 73% and Silver Award at as low as 69%... Which, by the way, is what the NEX-3 got: Silver Award. I don't have a dog in this race, but you do appear to be fudging facts just to match your position

Why is there some much interest on this "deal"? Just over a week ago Frys had the latest NEX-3N with the much more compact 16-50mm kit lens for $348 and you can even price match it with Sears, Bestbuy, etc. How is $250 for a 3 years old camera with an inferior sensor and much larger body and lens considered a hot deal???

RushnRockt said:   jasonh328 said:   Snapsort is infamously inaccurate, try DPReview. The NEX-3 only earned a 70% (almost as low as they ever give anything).

Yet DPReview can give Gold Award at as low as 73% and Silver Award at as low as 69%... Which, by the way, is what the NEX-3 got: Silver Award. I don't have a dog in this race, but you do appear to be fudging facts just to match your position


I have no need to 'fudge' anything here, any inaccuracy is unintentional

jasonh328 said:   RushnRockt said:   jasonh328 said:   Snapsort is infamously inaccurate, try DPReview. The NEX-3 only earned a 70% (almost as low as they ever give anything).

Yet DPReview can give Gold Award at as low as 73% and Silver Award at as low as 69%... Which, by the way, is what the NEX-3 got: Silver Award. I don't have a dog in this race, but you do appear to be fudging facts just to match your position


I have no need to 'fudge' anything here, any inaccuracy is unintentional


But rather convenient. Silver badge is on the first page that returns all the results for the NEX3 review. Aren't photographers supposed to pay attention to details? Purely rhetorical question, I'll make up my own conclusions here as I see fit

kickerstarter said:   Why is there some much interest on this "deal"? Just over a week ago Frys had the latest NEX-3N with the much more compact 16-50mm kit lens for $348 and you can even price match it with Sears, Bestbuy, etc. How is $250 for a 3 years old camera with an inferior sensor and much larger body and lens considered a hot deal???
-if march larger body means 7mm wider and 2 mm taller, ok (even though the new one is apparently 2.5mm deeper, so volumetrically probably very close)
-The sensor is better grant you that
-Depending on who you ask, that 16/50 ultra compact lens is not very good (which is why the new cameras have to have a bunch of firmware stuff apparently to compensate for all the distortion it creates and try to electronically un-do it) whereas the one is this kit is pretty universally recognized as being good.
-And so yeah, with lens this is bigger...but if size is all you are after, should be looking at P&S anyways and tuning out this thread(I recommend the Cannon S110)
-And this comes with the $100 optional external flash (marginal value for me personally, but should figure into the discussion).
-Yes, 2 years old, thus the basically half price of the current gen (I do find that typically it is the older cameras that get put on clearance sales and show up in FW discussions, not the latest and greatest; but thanks for pointing that out just the same).

It is $250....versus a "same config" on your deal would be....$350 + $100 for the flash = $450.

If you want to spend $450 on a camera climb in your time machine and go back to last week and buy the new Nex from Fry's (which is currently not on sale...looks like cheapest currently is $450 and then there is that having to pay $100 for the external flash issue and hope that lens really is not rubbish; although I would pop for the extra $50 if I was in that far and get the G5 with two lenses from Adorama).

This was a $250 deal post that is actually live...it is not for everyone, so if it is not for you, god-speed....

RushnRockt said:   jasonh328 said:   RushnRockt said:   jasonh328 said:   Snapsort is infamously inaccurate, try DPReview. The NEX-3 only earned a 70% (almost as low as they ever give anything).

Yet DPReview can give Gold Award at as low as 73% and Silver Award at as low as 69%... Which, by the way, is what the NEX-3 got: Silver Award. I don't have a dog in this race, but you do appear to be fudging facts just to match your position


I have no need to 'fudge' anything here, any inaccuracy is unintentional


But rather convenient. Silver badge is on the first page that returns all the results for the NEX3 review. Aren't photographers supposed to pay attention to details? Purely rhetorical question, I'll make up my own conclusions here as I see fit

What perceived difference does the silly "Silver Award" make? I noticed it, it just isn't relevant. The score is still 70 out of 100 and the EOS M still takes better pics.

doofus said:   

It is $250....versus a "same config" on your deal would be....$350 + $100 for the flash = $450.



No, 399.00 with 22mm and flash http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/996052-REG/canon_eos_m_mir...

or 419.00 with 18-55mm and flash http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/994787-REG/canon_caem18559...


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doofus said:   kickerstarter said:   Why is there some much interest on this "deal"? Just over a week ago Frys had the latest NEX-3N with the much more compact 16-50mm kit lens for $348 and you can even price match it with Sears, Bestbuy, etc. How is $250 for a 3 years old camera with an inferior sensor and much larger body and lens considered a hot deal???
-if march larger body means 7mm wider and 2 mm taller, ok (even though the new one is apparently 2.5mm deeper, so volumetrically probably very close)
-The sensor is better grant you that
-Depending on who you ask, that 16/50 ultra compact lens is not very good (which is why the new cameras have to have a bunch of firmware stuff apparently to compensate for all the distortion it creates and try to electronically un-do it) whereas the one is this kit is pretty universally recognized as being good.
-And so yeah, with lens this is bigger...but if size is all you are after, should be looking at P&S anyways and tuning out this thread(I recommend the Cannon S110)
-And this comes with the $100 optional external flash (marginal value for me personally, but should figure into the discussion).
-Yes, 2 years old, thus the basically half price of the current gen (I do find that typically it is the older cameras that get put on clearance sales and show up in FW discussions, not the latest and greatest; but thanks for pointing that out just the same).

It is $250....versus a "same config" on your deal would be....$350 + $100 for the flash = $450.

If you want to spend $450 on a camera climb in your time machine and go back to last week and buy the new Nex from Fry's (which is currently not on sale...looks like cheapest currently is $450 and then there is that having to pay $100 for the external flash issue and hope that lens really is not rubbish; although I would pop for the extra $50 if I was in that far and get the G5 with two lenses from Adorama).

This was a $250 deal post that is actually live...it is not for everyone, so if it is not for you, god-speed....


A picture is worth a thousand word. Comparison of the size of the lens.

The NEX-3N has a pop-up flash. NEX-3 does not.

Also, stop mentioning time machines. You need a time machine to buy GOOG at $85. You don't need a time machine to buy consumer electronics.

Picked one up at my Target - not sure if I'll keep it or not. Store still had three more. The salesperson (a nice kid, around 18) said to check back on Monday's to see if it gets marked down again. He said a lot of their cameras were getting clearanced. He showed me some expensive Nikon - originally ~$2,600 that was over half off.

jasonh328 said:   ViveLeRoi said:   jasonh328 said:   
Honestly, neither of these cameras are a good choice for video and on-camera flash is all but worthless for most applications. Those, frankly, are very silly arguments.


The on-camera flash of my Nikon S9100 is *extremely* good for a point and shoot and provides excellent fill flash too so I don't think that on-board flash is "worthless for most applications". Perhaps on many models the flash is an afterthought, but there are some really decent ones out there. I'm not sure what applications you use your flash for, but I typically use it indoors or for outdoor fill when the contrast of a scene is too great to capture effectively. I've also used it quite effectively for night portraits.


I only use off camera speedlights if I need a flash.


...and I prefer to use my full studio setup. Unfortunately, packing and unpacking the kit as well as transporting along with power sources gets to be a bit tedious.

I also wonder if you often hear the following phrase: "is that a speedlight in your pocket or are you happy to see me?"

Bump, I am surprised this isn't getting very much attention. Been to three targets, all had four each and all expected an additional mark down soon.

rootbear said:   Bump, I am surprised this isn't getting very much attention. Been to three targets, all had four each and all expected an additional mark down soon.

a bunch of us are waiting for the next markdowns

I just picked this up in So Cal for $149. The camera service plan was only $21. -5% for Redcard. Pretty good deal.

Just got the one i bought two weeks ago for $249 adjusted down to $149. All the other stock in the store had been cleared out.

Is there a special place that they keep clearance cameras at Target? I am def. interested at $149!

Tofe said:   Is there a special place that they keep clearance cameras at Target? I am def. interested at $149!

All the Targets by me (Louisville) had 5 to 7 each week before last when the price was still $249. Now they are all cleaned out in the city.

Can someone explain how Target clearance pricing works. I bought one at $249. I would like to get it price adjusted to $149. But the Target near me doesn't have any in stock, and if I scan the barcode on one of the price checkers, it comes up at $499. So, is that because it never went on clearance at that Target, or that it may have went on clearance, but since they sold out the price reverts back to original? Just trying to figure out if it's a waste of my time to keep checking that Target for the price to go to $149. Thanks.

salbanal said:   Can someone explain how Target clearance pricing works. I bought one at $249. I would like to get it price adjusted to $149. But the Target near me doesn't have any in stock, and if I scan the barcode on one of the price checkers, it comes up at $499. So, is that because it never went on clearance at that Target, or that it may have went on clearance, but since they sold out the price reverts back to original? Just trying to figure out if it's a waste of my time to keep checking that Target for the price to go to $149. Thanks.

All the scanners at the Targets in Louisville showed $149 even though they were all OOS . CS desk just returned and then resold it to me to get my price adjusted. Try another store maybe if that is an option for you?

Tofe said:   Is there a special place that they keep clearance cameras at Target? I am def. interested at $149!
At all the targets around me they were in the same locked case as the other cameras.

I got the nex 3 for $107....open item at target..... I suggestsome of you return back to target to check for returns

Sorry if this is an already answered question. Am I correct in thinking that not all Targets mark down on the same schedule? Our Target still has this labeled at a much higher price (though marked down a bit) in the display case. Is there a chance the price label is wrong or did they most likely just not mark it down as much yet?

As from a quick conversation with my Target ...they said when it comes to clearance all Targets have a different mark down ...........but you might want to bring this to there attention and maybe they could price match it which i doubt would happen ...but worth a shot ...but yeah different targets have different mark downs on clearance...the one around 40 miles from my place had it for 349 when everyone else had it for 149 /249 .



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