For those of you looking for a really good home theater or musical sub, this is an excellent choice. They currently have a pre-order deal which is $100 off the official price + 1/2price shipping + Hsu t-shirt. This offer ends today at 9pm Est.
This is the latest VTF-3HO model, which they had at CES..although I haven't personally heard it, I've only heard good things from those who have.
For those of you who don't know, this is an online only, and a very reputable company...but, I guess I posted this deal for the niche of Home theater owners that would need/want this kind of sub.
Specs and all are on the forums, but here is a small excerpt:
Frequency response (Maximum extension mode) 16 Hz ± 1 dB Frequency response (Maximum output mode) 20 Hz ± 1 dB Woofer size 12 inches using XBL^2 TM Linear BL motor technology
(Check http://www.adireaudio.com/Files/XBL2DetailsPaper.pdf for more info on this feature) Driver Orientation Sidefiring with Tunable Dual Rear Firing Ports or optional TurboCharger
Amplifier power rating 500 Watts (2000w peak) Crossover frequency range 30-90 Hz, bypassable
Dimensions 546 mm (height) 432 mm (width) 635 mm (depth) Shipping weight 50.5 Kgs
Turbo Charger Add-on Turbo Charger for all ports open operation (bass flat to 16Hz - with no port plug restriction VTF-3 HO with Turbo Charger (overall dimensions) 800 mm (height) 432 mm (width) 762 mm (depth)
EDIT: OOps, forgot to put price: it's $799 for the sub, and an extra $100 for the turbo. Like I said, this is for those who are interested in this type of subwoofer, not for everyone.
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posted: Jan. 31, 2006 @ 5:11p
dellbtxcase
Member
posted: Jan. 31, 2006 @ 5:17p
So you post this deal, but you don't tell us how much it will cost. Then we click the link that this will cost $799 PLUS shipping???? And this is hot because why?
coolambo
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Jan. 31, 2006 @ 5:23p
I always thought their Ventriloquist system though highly regarded was a POS. I was excited to have 1 back then after seeing all the crazy reviews its been getting but when I hooked it up I was like "that's it???". I have since sold that POS away and bought something that gave me what I wanted. I just dunno if their subs are also 1 of those supposedly highly regarded by come up short. For that price I think I'll have to go with a Velodyne sub.
laughton12
Thrifty Member
posted: Jan. 31, 2006 @ 5:37p
Good catch. This is a nice sub and $100 off makes it very interesting. I'm trying to build my own system and this would be a great piece to start with. Thanks!
riveal
Addicted Member
posted: Jan. 31, 2006 @ 5:38p
It's a good sub, but the price really should be in the title. ++ for any of you who can afford it.
Although at this price I'd look into the SVS or Axiom subs.
SuM0
Addicted Member
posted: Jan. 31, 2006 @ 5:50p
Title reflects the price now.
If, this sub can do what they claim, I think it'll be better than the equivalent priced SVS (atleast their cube subs, their cylinder subs can go really low/loud). Although, SVS is supposedly a great internet brand too.
I've never seen a single negative or even a neutral review for the current Hsu Vtf-3 Mk2 model, so I went ahead and pre-ordered one today. Unfortunately, my batch won't ship till end of March
If you have the know-how you can build your own that will tromple this for half the price.
angelcolby
New Member
posted: Jan. 31, 2006 @ 8:31p
Hsu does make good subwoofers and $100 off by preordering is a nice opening discount. However, at that price, I would also very much consider SVS. Fatwallet is about getting the best deal and the most for your money! I would definitely buy an Hsu or SVS (you are buying directly from the maker!) over a similar priced subwoofer from a retailer. A $800 SVS or Hsu sub easily outperforms (sound quality especially)a $800 Velodyne, etc. Simply put...$500, $800, whatever amount spent on a Hsu or SVS gets you more for your subwoofer dollars.
canisiusbonk
Senior Member
posted: Jan. 31, 2006 @ 9:03p
I'd love to see you do that. If this is true, why aren't you building them and selling them on eBay for profit?
When all is said and done, the Sub and the center channel are the two most important speakers in your surround system, and if you really care about home theatre and music sound, then your willing to buy the best product for your needs. If not, don't look here, go look at an 8" Sony Sub for $99
myn said: How can a sub be turbo charged?
rofl..
If you have the know-how you can build your own that will tromple this for half the price.
If you have the know-how you can build your own that will tromple this for half the price.
I would think they whine of the turbo charger would interfere with the loud rumbles its supposed to make...
hmm..
RotaryPowered
Senior Member
posted: Jan. 31, 2006 @ 9:13p
myn said: How can a sub be turbo charged?
rofl..
If you have the know-how you can build your own that will tromple this for half the price. Obviously this just goes to show your lack of knowledge. Only an idiot would think they can just slap a bunch of parts together and get something that sounds decent.. why dont you just light a fire cracker it'll make more noise...geez
321uam
Member
posted: Jan. 31, 2006 @ 9:21p
LOL. The ventriloquist VT-12 was a total POS, worse than the bose cubes. at least the bose cone are paper so the sound is more natural even Bose misses some highs and lows, normal listeners can't tell the difference anyway. but that VT-12 man it sucked big time.
i'll pass on this sub. get the dayton from part express for a fraction of the price.
i built my own shiva 12" seal sub excellent too.
Don't waste ur money here.
RotaryPowered
Senior Member
posted: Jan. 31, 2006 @ 9:22p
While I agree they could of used another term other than "turbo" HSU and SVS offer excellent subs. Unless your talking about a Velodyne DD18 $3999 anything less the SVS and HSU subs beat hands down. Look over at AVS forums for further information.
SuM0
Addicted Member
posted: Jan. 31, 2006 @ 9:22p
Well, I'm glad atleast some people were able to get in on the deal. I ended up ordering it with the turbo, because it should allow more area and result in more depth, and of course less port noise with the big ports. Plus the turbo, if bought seperately, is supposedly going to go for $200. Anyway, I guess the pre-order is over, although, I don't see anything about that on the Hsu forums yet...so I'm not going mark this deal as dead, quite yet...hopefully any late viewers can still sneak one in tommorrow. Can't wait to get the sub >:-D
romy
Member
posted: Jan. 31, 2006 @ 9:24p
Hsu Research offers high quality subwoofers for a good price.
I have been very pleased with my dual TN1220HO setup.
slickyricky
Member
posted: Jan. 31, 2006 @ 9:27p
i have to say that ventriloquist system was really lame and not even worth the 120 i paid at CompUSA. however, the STF2 i got at CompUSA is awesome, so i wouldn't base your opinions about hsu solely on the surround speaker system.
RotaryPowered
Senior Member
posted: Jan. 31, 2006 @ 9:27p
321uam said: LOL. The ventriloquist VT-12 was a total POS, worse than the bose cubes. at least the bose cone are paper so the sound is more natural even Bose misses some highs and lows, normal listeners can't tell the difference anyway. but that VT-12 man it sucked big time.
i'll pass on this sub. get the dayton from part express for a fraction of the price.
i built my own shiva 12" seal sub excellent too.
Don't waste ur money here.
Dude the Ventriloquist VT-12 are Small Satellites, anyone seriously into HT doesnt buy box speaker sets; they are for the ill informed crowd. The Dayton sub is great for those on a tight budget or first time sub. I built my own subs for my car back in the day 15 years ago yeah sure I even put them in the house made some rumble....so do lots of other things
For those of you saying that you can make your own sub, while it is true, you can make a high quality sub for cheaper, it will not be the same as a sub engineered by professionals. You can get the Dayton sub parts and build quite a box, but the freq response curve will not be as flat, nor will the frequency go as low and still have usable bass. Most DIY subs sound their best at about 30hz, which is great for music, but for home theater, there are movies that go well below 20hz, which this sub will easily do, as it is tuned for 16hz with the turbo. I won't knock DIY subs (I think they are great value), but the price of Hsu and SVS will be hard to beat for their quality. You can always get better brands such as Velodynes, Paradigms, Revels, but will spend considerably more.
I'm not going to try to convince anyone, especially since everyone has their budget and needs. Just letting people know how complex choosing home theater equipment can get..no-one will ever agree on any one choice
If, this sub can do what they claim, I think it'll be better than the equivalent priced SVS (atleast their cube subs, their cylinder subs can go really low/loud). Although, SVS is supposedly a great internet brand too.
I've never seen a single negative or even a neutral review for the current Hsu Vtf-3 Mk2 model, so I went ahead and pre-ordered one today. Unfortunately, my batch won't ship till end of March
Lots of supposedlies.
If you're not familiar with the brands [& listened to them], leave the judgements to those that have. Both AVS & HTF forums have rabid fans on both sides [HSU & SVS]. SVS fans would say HSU is very good but not quite as good, & vice-versa. Fanboy BS.
Bottom line, they're both quality companies w/ quality products [I've owned from both over the years]. Unless you're building your own, at their price points you really can't do better. [unless USED!, those can be good deals if you buy from continually upgrading Home Theater fanatics]
On a lighter note, you should be quite happy with your purchase
SuM0
Addicted Member
posted: Jan. 31, 2006 @ 9:46p
Heh, I have heard the Vtf-3 Mk2...which my friend let me borrow. The room I was using it in was huge (18x17x22), although I didn't have too much time to play with it and do proper placement, it sounded great, which is why I went ahead and ordered. I hope the "supposedly" and "shoulds" didn't scare people.
321uam
Member
posted: Jan. 31, 2006 @ 9:47p
I also have the STF-2 from CompUSA clearence for $200+. Remember that deal? It's not bad for my HT. -3db for 30HZ is good enough. Ported subs are just too boomy. I prefer my shiva sealed sub.
Also, HSU is 3 miles from my house. pay cash and save more. they're open to that.
The $100 off is a joke. It's not in the spirit of FW.
Lomic
Thrifty Member
posted: Jan. 31, 2006 @ 9:59p
HSU does subs very well - they really should stop selling the VT12, because it only damages their name. I have an STF-2 subwoofer and it's the most nimble sub I've ever heard. Maximum excursion is a bit low on the STF-2, so this new sub is likely to be one of the best subs out there for medium-large sized home theaters, while still retaining the amazing accuracy HSU is known for.
Dayton, Velodyne etc. are fine for punch me in the face explosion movie subs, but you don't know what you're missing in regards to clean, accurate bass.
IMO: HSU is #1 in this price bracket if you're going for a rig where you like to sit and enjoy music as well as movies. SVS is #1 if you're looking for pure movie action that is still quite refined.
Just another post recommending the HSU brand. I got in on the STF2 from CompUSA and it sounds better than it ought to. If you're in the market at this price point, you already know that though.
hinduluvrebateman
Senior Member
posted: Jan. 31, 2006 @ 10:31p
Lomic said: HSU does subs very well - they really should stop selling the VT12, because it only damages their name. I have an STF-2 subwoofer and it's the most nimble sub I've ever heard. Maximum excursion is a bit low on the STF-2, so this new sub is likely to be one of the best subs out there for medium-large sized home theaters, while still retaining the amazing accuracy HSU is known for.
Dayton, Velodyne etc. are fine for punch me in the face explosion movie subs, but you don't know what you're missing in regards to clean, accurate bass.
IMO: HSU is #1 in this price bracket if you're going for a rig where you like to sit and enjoy music as well as movies. SVS is #1 if you're looking for pure movie action that is still quite refined.
+1 for SV subwoofers, have a pb12-isd/2 and it is simply amazing. movies take on a whole new aspect.
SuM0 said: Heh, I have heard the Vtf-3 Mk2...which my friend let me borrow. The room I was using it in was huge (18x17x22), although I didn't have too much time to play with it and do proper placement, it sounded great, which is why I went ahead and ordered. I hope the "supposedly" and "shoulds" didn't scare people.
No, just serves to potentially misinform SuM0. Why make a comment about SVS when you admit you've never heard them [or one that competes at that $800 price point]? Not to mention there are true afficionados that are audiophiles & know how to truly measure Subwoofer quality. [& you're not one of them, in fact only the fanatics are since for subs you need to compare subs in exactly the same room/environment to judge, for consistent baselines]. Those at AVS & HTF do these kinds of "shootouts" all the time with HSU & SVS products. Someone not fluent on these products can take opinions as fact [although I pity the person who doesn't do their own research].
Now again, not trying to poo-poo. You've bought a GREAT sub, & I'm sure you'll love it!
Now piss those neighbors off & jack up the volume!
Last year, I called Hsu to to get some info in contemplation of ordering a sub. The guy who answered the phone started asking me questions about the receiver used, room size, where the doors and windows were, etc. He spent a good deal of time with me, answered all my questions and gave me some really great advice. At the end of the phone call, I requested his name so I could ask for him again if I needed more info. He said "Dr. Hsu." I ask "the guy who owns the company?" He just laughed and said he was. Now that is service.
I have a Hsu VTF2- Mk2 and couldn't be happier with it. I tried two other "brand name" subs and returned them. The Hsu stayed. Will buy from Hsu again.
zmt
New Member
posted: Jan. 31, 2006 @ 10:50p
How well do these subs perform with music? I've heard good things about HSU accuracy, so I'm guessing well. I've got a klipsh 10" that I picked up cheap a while ago to match up with my vandersteens, and I'm wondering if this would be a better pairing. I've heard that it's difficult to match subs with the vandys, and while my experience has been pretty good so far, I'm concerned about what'll happen to the transition when I move to a different, larger room.
zmt said: How well do these subs perform with music? I've heard good things about HSU accuracy, so I'm guessing well. I've got a klipsh 10" that I picked up cheap a while ago to match up with my vandersteens, and I'm wondering if this would be a better pairing. I've heard that it's difficult to match subs with the vandys, and while my experience has been pretty good so far, I'm concerned about what'll happen to the transition when I move to a different, larger room.
If "musicality" is your highest priority, then you want a sub that happens to be "sealed" [i.e. there's no port/hole on the outside].
HSU & SVS do pretty well with music, particularly even though they're ported. [although some models at both companies have foam pieces to "fill" those ports for better musicality]. HSU's do seem to do a little bit better for music, but SVS is generally known to own for movies. It's all relative to how much better for each. [small degrees].
I'd recommend posting that question of either of the 2 website links in my earlier post [direct to each Forum's subwoofer subforum]. Enlightened folks there can better respond with choices in each price range. [they are fanatics after all].
kraut said: ...gave me some really great advice. At the end of the phone call, I requested his name so I could ask for him again if I needed more info. He said "Dr. Hsu." I ask "the guy who owns the company?" He just laughed and said he was. Now that is service.
Yup, that's Dr. Hsu for ya. Tom from SVS does the exact type of customer service & detailed analysis. One of the major reasons why both companies are prospering!
for those looking for a SVS sub: linkity new subs added every few days.
I have a HSU STF-2 and it kicks butt. Got it at CrapUSA for $200 clearance many long times ago. Very well made and it really gives movies that extra something special.
RichieMags
Member
posted: Feb. 13, 2006 @ 5:46a
Any recommendations for alternative to HSU's VT-12 satellites in the same price range?
On their forum there has also been talk about an upcoming VTF-2HO. Seen pics overthere. Supposedly this one has a plug so that you have have it both ways, ported or sealed. But not much info yet posted over there.
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