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TakeTheActive said: [Q]vibe said: [Q]...I am still experiencing an unusual amount of heat from the bottom side of the subwoofer unit but since it's not affecting performance I have no big problem with that.Did you read my post (for you) regarding my Kill-A-Watt readings?

Thanks for the kill-a-watt readings, the 20watts constant at idle might indeed explain the heat build up which I am not used to. 7 watts when off seems a little high too, I might put this on a power strip to kill when I am away. I wonder if it has non-voltile memory to remember the settings?

Meritline has kill-a-watt for $19 shipped I think but I am waiting for a unit with memory and usb interface - they exist but are far too expensive right now



I thought Dual Voice coil is one channel left and the other right.

TakeTheActive said: [Q]<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border=0> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif" border=0> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border=0> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border=0> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border=0> <font color=white style="background-color: #3E3E3E;">O_N_L_Y___F_O_R___T_H_E___T_E_C_H_N_I_C_A_L_L_Y_-_I_N_C_L_I_N_E_D <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border=0> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border=0> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border=0> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif" border=0> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border=0>

WARNING:
  • There are no User Servicable Parts inside

  • There *ARE* potentially LETHAL voltages available inside

  • Opening the cabinet and/or modifying the circuitry MOST DEFINITELY will VOID YOUR WARRANTY

  • The idea(s) presented here are theory, based on experience, and have not been personally tested

  • *ONLY* attempt this modification if your Subwoofer currently WORKS properly in *ALL* modes except QUAD


Bottom Line: I'm not responsible for what happens if you do this. If you don't know how, stay out. If you have a Techie friend, ask him/her to read this and decide if he/she wants to do it for you.



Quoting the AnandTech Review:[Q]...Quad mode is available when four channels of analog information are connected. In digital input mode, the system will only operate in normal stereo mode. In analog quad mode, it reproduces the front two channels to the front surrounds, and the rear channels to the rear satellites, as would follow naturally.

Unfortunately, there is a technical problem with quad mode. According to Altec, the system originally was designed as an OEM solution to accompany a Dell computer. The original configuration included a four channel sound card in which the rear channels were wired out of phase with the front channels. <font color=white style="background-color: #3E3E3E;">To correct for this in the original system, Altec wired the rear input out of phase with the front channels. This same architecture is included in the current system.

However, most current four channel sound cards are wired in phase. This causes phase cancellation in quad mode, especially in the subwoofer. The low frequencies from both the front and rear are routed to the sub for reproduction. They are 180 degrees out of phase, and cancel each other out completely, resulting in little to know bass in many situations. The result is unacceptable sound when in quad mode.
Somewhere else, I read (and can't find at the moment) that the Subwoofer uses a DUAL VOICE COIL.

Here's an example of the problem:

Take a long piece of rope and tie the MIDDLE to "anything" (a wagon, a car). Tie one end onto Joe, the other end onto Jack (Joe's exact twin, in size, weight, strength). Now:
  • *IF* Joe and Jack move in the SAME direction (let's say North), the wagon / car will move in the SAME direction (North) - [Normal 'Good' Bass]

  • *IF* Joe and Jack move in DIFFERENT directions (let's say Joe goes North while Jack goes East), the wagon / car will move in a MIDPOINT direction (North-East) - [Reduced volume Bass]

  • *IF* Joe and Jack move in directly OPPOSITE directions (let's say Joe goes North while Jack goes South), the wagon / car will NOT move at all - [NO Bass]


The DUAL VOICE COIL is the rope, Joe is the Front Channels and Jack is the Rear Channels - get it?

OPPOSITE directions = OUT-OF-PHASE = NO Movement = No Sound



The Solution

Interrupt the wiring to ONE VOICE COIL and install a DPDT switch as follows:
  • Make a diagram of how the two wires are currently connected to ONE VOICE COIL (for clarity, let's name them BLACK and WHITE)

  • CUT the wires at some midpoint, leaving enough on either side of the cut to "work with"

  • (A diagram will be 'tricky', especially since there's no CODE tag here) - There are 6 posts, in 2 rows of 3

    Ao Bo Co

    Do Eo Fo

    1. Connect the VOICE COIL Black wire to B and the White wire to E.

    2. Connect the 'DISCONNECTED' Black wire to A and the White wire to D.

    3. Connect a NEW wire between A and F

    4. Connect another NEW wire between D and C



  • Mark the switch (in your head, on paper), such that when the PHYSICAL bat (the part of the switch that you move back and forth) is over the C and F, as REVERSED

  • Mark the switch (in your head, on paper), such that when the PHYSICAL bat (the part of the switch that you move back and forth) is over the A and D, as NORMAL

  • Test your work

  • *IF* everything still works, drill a hole, mount the switch, put on a good album or movie and sit back and have a cold one!



vibe said: [Q]Meritline has kill-a-watt for $19 shipped I think but I am waiting for a unit with memory and usb interface - they exist but are far too expensive right now

How are you getting free shipping?

Mine arrived today. I quickly set them up to test, and everything works as it should. I'll report back in when I've got them set up properly (using digital instead of my cd player's output).

I can't seem to get the digital output to work. I have the rca dongle cable connected to my audigy 2zs' digital out but when i check "Digital output only" in creative mixer i have no sound. When i connect the speakers through the analog cables they work fine though. Anyone know what the problem could be?

I dont know if anyone else is having this problem, but for some reason my sub just stopped working over night. Not only does the sub not work, but when I turn the volume up or down I get this "bump" or "thud" from the sub woofer each time the volume nob notches up or down (by that I mean, as you turn it, there are clicks and at each click, I get this stupid thud noise from the sub)

Anyone else have this problem? Before this started, the worked great!


cybertron said: [Q]I dont know if anyone else is having this problem, but for some reason my sub just stopped working over night. Not only does the sub not work, but when I turn the volume up or down I get this "bump" or "thud" from the sub woofer each time the volume nob notches up or down (by that I mean, as you turn it, there are clicks and at each click, I get this stupid thud noise from the sub)

Anyone else have this problem? Before this started, the worked great!From an eCoustics.com user review:

Reviewed by: Cord(Unregistered User), Audio Enthusiast, from Houston, TX
Year: 1999
Price Paid: $270.00
Summary:
The sub woofer amplifier blew up after about a month. Altec does not support there customers in repair and don't even provide schematics. If anyone has any information on what size resistor R12 is, I'd greatly appreciate it. 3 capacitors, two resistors, and severely burned inductors on initial inspection of subwoofer board pn:ADA885A_5_1.MAX .


Strengths:
They look pretty.

Weaknesses:
Besides looks, that's about all they do= look good. The sub doesn't work for.......!!

cybertron said: [Q]I dont know if anyone else is having this problem, but for some reason my sub just stopped working over night. Not only does the sub not work, but when I turn the volume up or down I get this "bump" or "thud" from the sub woofer each time the volume nob notches up or down (by that I mean, as you turn it, there are clicks and at each click, I get this stupid thud noise from the sub)

Anyone else have this problem? Before this started, the worked great!

I had the same problem with my first set - after about 2 hours the sub stopped working and I got the same "thumping" sound when the volume was adjusted. Since I live in the Houston area I returned them to Directron without a problem. New pair has worked fine for over three weeks now.

Just got them. UPS delivered at 5:55pm and plugged them into my laptop from the headphone jack and they work great. I dont have a digital out on the lappy but may connect these to my desktop via s/pdif, will that make any difference in sound?

Received mine today, and compared it with Lansing GT5051, which was on sale a long time in Buy.com for about $40 AR.

First, I uppload two pictures, and you will see the similarity of their designs and drivers.


Comparing pictures

ADA885: four 3 inch drivers + Two 1" tweeters + 8" subwoofer
GT5051: Five 3 inch drivers(it has a center channle)+5.25-inch subwoofer

I think that they both use the same 3 inch drivers , so the main difference is their subwoofer.

I used Mcintosh McIntosh Demonstration Reference Disc to test the two kits.

ADA 885's subwoofer is absolutely better, however for music like violin,piano, it is hard to say that ADA885 is better. If I set the audio card in stero mode, then I find that ada885 is better. however in 4 speakers mode, GT5051 is better. Four speaker mode's GT5051 is also better than stero mode's ADA885.

I decide to keep GT5051, since I only use those speakers as computer speakers, and never use them to watch dvd. so the adavantage of ada885's subwoofer is meaningless to me.

After all, ADA885 is certainly a good deal in this price. However, I doubt that ADA885 can be claimed as the best lansing speakers(other than subwoofer), as GT5051 is just a middle level lansing speakers in its So do not "upgrade" your speakers, if yours is better than GT5051 or you have already had a good multichannel audio card.





Just received my set in the mail this afternoon and set them up using the SPDIF port on my Audigy 2 card.

I installed them in 2.1 mode (alot cleaner install as OP stated) and the system is as advertised as in terms of performance/SQ. Aside from the ugly beige color which must've triggered some opressed memory of taking Fortran, for $40ish + shipping, definitely a nice bang for the buck system. Thx OP.

mine came today, and they are gonna replace my Dell 5.1's, enjoy the bass much better with the AL's, just wish they were black, cuz once u go black....<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border=0>

Just got these speakers in the mail today. However, the sub stopped working after the first couple minutes. Is there anything that I can do on the consumer side, or am I forced to RMA these back to Axiontech? Shipping kills.

jacobco said: [Q]Just got these speakers in the mail today. However, the sub stopped working after the first couple minutes. Is there anything that I can do on the consumer side, or am I forced to RMA these back to Axiontech? Shipping kills.

I'd like to know too.

Mine died after only a few minutes too.

I think it sounded good for the couple of minutes, except the bass was a little too much. Thanks to poor craftsmanship, that problem is solved for me as I have no bass now. I didn't even get a chance to play with positioning and adjustments.

how does this one compare to polk r15 ($39/pare)? I plan to buy a pair of speaker to listen music.

chas28645 said: [Q]wearetheborg said: [Q]Does the manual mention whther the speakers can be operated on 230V ? Or if there are two models, one for US/Canada, one for rest of the world ?If it does, I can't find it. The sticker on the subwoofer says AC120V 60Hz 360W and the line fuse is rated at 250V. These units are definitely wired for the US and Canada. The manual does show power plug configurations for USA/Canada, Europe, UK/Singapore/HK, and Australia/NZ.

Thanks for the update - looks like the speakers are only meant for 120V <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border=0>

From some of the dead unit reports, I vaguely recall the problem with first revision unit was the subwoofer overextending and locking? That would explain the "working for a few minutes" and then stopping, maybe?

One thing I will say is I don't play my music very loud at all as I am in an apartment. So that might be saving me from problems.

I have a Dell e1705, i dont have a upgraded sound card, will this system work with my laptop?

Just got time to test my set today, bought it from axiontech with testing option.

The very first time I turned on the speakers, only the left one was producing sound, after reattaching the right speaker cable and turning the speaker off and on, the set has been working perfectly for the past 3 hours.

I am using the 2 speaker setup by attaching the surround to the main speakers, and the speakers are in Stereo Mode since the speakers are attached to the onboard sound with analog connection.

So far the sound is Great! Thanks OP!


REQUEST FOR COMMENTS:

vibe said: [Q]From some of the dead unit reports, I vaguely recall the problem with first revision unit was the subwoofer overextending and locking? That would explain the "working for a few minutes" and then stopping, maybe?

One thing I will say is I don't play my music very loud at all as I am in an apartment. So that might be saving me from problems.I now have *TWO* sets of ADA885s (Living Room and Basement) and I'm *TOTALLY* pleased with them. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border=0>

BUT..., are we all (with Revision A00) subject to the "...subwoofer overextending and locking..." problem??? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif" border=0>



vibe, if possible, would you please provide *ANY* LINKS you may still have regarding this problem?

[ NOTE: ?Maybe? it's a good thing, at these "later years" <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif" border=0> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border=0> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif" border=0> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border=0>, that I *DON'T* listen to music at the volume levels that I *USED TO*. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif" border=0> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif" border=0> ]



OPINIONS:
  • Are those folks experiencing SUBWOOFER PROBLEMS actually <font color=white style="background-color: #3E3E3E;">OVERTAXING their ADA885s??? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif" border=0> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border=0>

alx2716 said: [Q]I have a Dell e1705, i dont have a upgraded sound card, will this system work with my laptop?This *fine* speaker set will work with (practically) *ANYTHING*!!! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border=0>

WOW, These Speakers with onboard sound beat the crap out of my Logitech Z680 with X-Fi Xmusic playing music (mainly Phantom of the Opera).

.... Now I want a set for myself!! this set is for my gf <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border=0>

Is it normal that I can't control the volume from windows when using S/PDIF? Is there something I can do to make it work?

TakeTheActive said: [Q]REQUEST FOR COMMENTS:

OPINIONS:
  • Are those folks experiencing SUBWOOFER PROBLEMS actually <font color=white style="background-color: #3E3E3E;">OVERTAXING their ADA885s??? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif" border=0> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border=0>





I don't recall the specific place I read this but there are alot of ada885 complaints on the Dell forum...

dell forum search results

Dell may have fixed the problem but it seems there was also an ada885 A01 so that means something was changed.

If you read alot of the threads, it seems some went dead after 4-6 weeks.

This statement is particularly worrying:
[Q]and yesterday the subwoofer quit along with the burning smell described many times here already
one of several subwoofer burnout/burning smell on Dell forums
"ada885 burning" forum search on dell

here we go, right from Dell
[Q]If you are getting strange odors from your speakers please contact our technical support division at support@Dell.com and ask for a replacement set. Please ensure to include your service tag, current addess and phone number, and speaker date code. The date code will start with 7, 8 or 9 and is on the bottom of both the control(right) speaker and subwoofer, or the date code is on the bottom of either speaker and has 2 parts. They need the first letter in the barcode(it is a D or a Z) and a 3 digit alpha-numeric code that will be separated, or it will be a 20 digit code and start with DS/N.

The trick is to find out what date is the "safe" replacement date. One rep on the forum thought it was 5/8/2000

[Q] I took the following information from the bottom of the
sub-woofer. Question, do I have a speaker system that
WILL NOT blow up and burn on me ?

DP/N 00658T
CN00685T-47770-04N
Rev. 00

-----------------------------------
Any of the speakers shipped after 5/8/00 should have a date code of "04H" or later (this is the last 3-digit segment of the serial number you noted). In your case, the date is indicated as "04N", which means that you have a set of speakers that will not be potentially affected by the problem.


<font color=white style="background-color: #3E3E3E;">My part of that code actually say 27C so I am assuming it's a MUCH later revision and therefore safe?

ah, my guess would be that 04H is the manufacturing date, starting from 0.
ie. 04H
first digit is year 0 = 2000
second digit is month 4 = May (start from 0)
third digit is day H = 8th

so my 27C = 2002 - July - 3rd


[Q] Is it normal that I can't control the volume from windows when using S/PDIF? Is there something I can do to make it work?

I was having the same exact problem, but found this working solution.
http://support.turtlebeach.com/site/kb_ftp/586418062.asp

The file is near bottom of this page.
http://support.turtlebeach.com/site/kb_ftp/586.asp
My Windows MCE remote controls the speaker volume again.

These are FANTASTIC speakers.
I opted for AxionTech's optional $6.95 product test before shipping. The box arrived with a second layer of tape and perfectly operational speakers. However, they charged me an additional $7.86 shipping charge for this service and haven't yet responded to my two emails regarding this.



I just got done watching 2001: A Space Odyssey on the set I received today and it rocked, hard. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border=0> I'm very pleased with these, and I'm only running them through the television using an rca to analog adapter.

Unpossible on 2006-06-15 @ 01:48:29 CDT was the LAST ONE to "VOTE" - please add your 'experience' to the Quick Summary. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border=0>
  1. Super56K said: [Q]I just got done watching 2001: A Space Odyssey on the set I received today and it rocked, hard. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border=0> I'm very pleased with these, and I'm only running them through the television using an rca to analog adapter.
  2. DrGwat said: [Q]These are FANTASTIC speakers...
  3. lhotdeals said: [Q]WOW, These Speakers with onboard sound beat the crap out of my Logitech Z680 with X-Fi Xmusic playing music (mainly Phantom of the Opera).

    .... Now I want a set for myself!! this set is for my gf <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border=0>
  4. lhotdeals said: [Q]...I am using the 2 speaker setup by attaching the surround to the main speakers, and the speakers are in Stereo Mode since the speakers are attached to the onboard sound with analog connection.

    So far the sound is Great! Thanks OP!
  5. etc...

vibe said: [Q]I don't recall the specific place I read this but there are alot of ada885 complaints on the Dell forum...THANKS for posting the info vibe! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border=0>

vibe said: [Q]...<font color=white style="background-color: #3E3E3E;">My part of that code actually say 27C so I am assuming it's a MUCH later revision and therefore safe?

ah, my guess would be that 04H is the manufacturing date, starting from 0.
ie. 04H
first digit is year 0 = 2000
second digit is month 4 = May (start from 0)
third digit is day H = 8th

so my 27C = 2002 - July - 3rdMy 2 are 27M: 2002 - July - 13th ( <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif" border=0> I hope that wasn't a FRIDAY! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border=0> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border=0> )

vibe said: [Q]TakeTheActive said: [Q]REQUEST FOR COMMENTS:

OPINIONS:
  • Are those folks experiencing SUBWOOFER PROBLEMS actually <font color=white style="background-color: #3E3E3E;">OVERTAXING their ADA885s??? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif" border=0> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border=0>


...This statement is particularly worrying:
[Q]and yesterday the subwoofer quit along with the burning smell described many times here already
one of several subwoofer burnout/burning smell on Dell forums
"ada885 burning" forum search on dell

...The trick is to find out what date is the "safe" replacement date. One rep on the forum thought it was 5/8/2000:

-----------------------------------
Any of the speakers shipped after 5/8/00 should have a date code of "04H" or later (this is the last 3-digit segment of the serial number you noted). In your case, the date is indicated as "04N", which means that you have a set of speakers that will not be potentially affected by the problem.So, if you have 27C and I have 27M, it appears that *WE* are safe!

I'm going to add "Manufacturing Date" to the Quick Summary - maybe we'll see a 'trend'?

daydaydvd said: [Q]Received mine today, and compared it with Lansing GT5051, which was on sale a long time in Buy.com for about $40 AR.

First, I uppload two pictures, and you will see the similarity of their designs and drivers.

pic 1

pic2Am I the *ONLY* one who can't see these pictures? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border=0>

DrGwat said: [Q]

I was having the same exact problem, but found this working solution.
http://support.turtlebeach.com/site/kb_ftp/586418062.asp

The file is near bottom of this page.
http://support.turtlebeach.com/site/kb_ftp/586.asp
My Windows MCE remote controls the speaker volume again.



Works like a charm! Thanks!
Too bad it takes about 5MB just for sitting there, but I can handle it <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border=0>

lhotdeals said: [Q]WOW, These Speakers with onboard sound beat the crap out of my Logitech Z680 with X-Fi Xmusic playing music (mainly Phantom of the Opera).

.... Now I want a set for myself!! this set is for my gf <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border=0>

in your dreams.

hadji said: [Q]lhotdeals said: [Q]WOW, These Speakers with onboard sound beat the crap out of my Logitech Z680 with X-Fi Xmusic playing music (mainly Phantom of the Opera).

.... Now I want a set for myself!! this set is for my gf <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border=0>

in your dreams.

I believe him. Logitechs are freakin terrible.

NearlyMTWallet said: [Q]hadji said: [Q]lhotdeals said: [Q]WOW, These Speakers with onboard sound beat the crap out of my Logitech Z680 with X-Fi Xmusic playing music (mainly Phantom of the Opera).

.... Now I want a set for myself!! this set is for my gf <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border=0>

in your dreams.

I believe him. Logitechs are freakin terrible.


Yeah, ok.


let's not insult people's intelligence and have a rational discussion. the Altecs are excellent for the price point, but can't touch the 680's or 5500's from Logitech. if you think that then you must be living in a fantasy world.

Yeah OK. In your dreams is a rational discussion. Logitechs are great for hip hop and thats about it. Have you actually heard these particular Altecs?

NearlyMTWallet said: [Q]Yeah OK. In your dreams is a rational discussion. Logitechs are great for hip hop and thats about it. Have you actually heard these particular Altecs?

a 4.1 system you have to RIG to get 5.1 and you are comparing to the 680's? you need to lay off that stuff early in the morning dude.

hadji said: [Q]NearlyMTWallet said: [Q]Yeah OK. In your dreams is a rational discussion. Logitechs are great for hip hop and thats about it. Have you actually heard these particular Altecs?

a 4.1 system you have to RIG to get 5.1 and you are comparing to the 680's? you need to lay off that stuff early in the morning dude.

From what I know, for most music cd, 4.1 and 5.1 speaker sets are the same, because there are only 2 channels of sound recorded in the disc, left and right.

4.1 and 5.1 and even 7.1 are only beneficial when watching DVDs and specially recorded music cds with the extra sound channels.

I did not plug in the 2x surround speakers of my Z680 and I used the 2 speaker configuration for the ADA885s when I did the comparison, so there was no difference in the configuration of the speakers, iow no difference between the supposely 5.1 and 4.1 sets.

Upon further listening, the ADA885 has a slight muffled background, which is most likely caused by the lackbuster onboard sound of my 3 year old server. But the bass of the ADA885 is much more refined than that of the z680.

Will report back once I test the ADA885 on my main rig!

lhotdeals said: [Q]4.1 and 5.1 and even 7.1 are only beneficial when watching DVDs and specially recorded music cds with the extra sound channels.

leaving out a few things like gaming and HD/satellite/cable surround broadcasts. if you are trying to convince me that 4.1 is just as good as 5.1 or that there is no real added value to either, you have to argue better than that. like i said, the altecs are an decent set for their price and what they are, 4.1. add a can of spray paint to the final cost though cause they are fugly.

I use them in a 2.1 configuration for music only, and I guarantee that they will win the pepsi challenge againts any logitechs. Now give me some 5.1 encoded music and I will give the win to the logitechs. Unfortunately my 20K song collection is mostly encoded at 192kb stereo.

NearlyMTWallet said: [Q]I use them in a 2.1 configuration for music only, and I guarantee that they will win the pepsi challenge againts any logitechs. Now give me some 5.1 encoded music and I will give the win to the logitechs. Unfortunately my 20K song collection is mostly encoded at 192kb stereo.



and i am sure that you paid full price for every one of those 20K songs now didn't you <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border=0> glad to see you changed your opinion about the 680's. see now, that wasn't so hard now was it.

For those who received a "bad" sub. What did u guys do? Contact seller or manufacturer? Problem solved?
I was going to pull the trigger until I saw your scary story.....
Any info. shared will be really appreciated!



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