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*UPDATED* Special thanks to cycloneman for his continued contributions to this thread!

Be sure to check your local Wal*Mart for the Hoover Whisper ! This is probably THE Dyson Killer! It's $119.97 and the model number is U5184-900. (Thanks cycloneman!!!)

If you're looking for the Hoover Fusion thread, it's still this one. I've changed it though to reflect the new Hoover Whisper and now older MachX Series (Mach3 and Mach5). They are newer versions of the Fusion (the Fusion is discontinued).

Hoover Whisper - $119.97 (Online and B&M) <--- The one to get!!

Hoover Mach3 - $89.94 (Online and B&M) <---virtually identical to the fusion, though hopefully with better emissions (untested by Consumer Reports yet).

Hoover Mach5 - $168.44 (Online and B&M) <---adds a HEPA Filter, Longer Cord that Auto-Rewinds, and an On/Off Brush Roll control for bare floors.

Hoover Fusion - $61.19 Shipped @ Amazon -- Price Fluctuates

These are definitely designed to give Dyson a run for its money, and at a considerably lesser price.

Please posts your comments on these models if you buy one! Thanks to clb4g9 for alerting us to the new model Mach3!

The below information is my original post on the Hoover Fusion, which is now discontinued.

Your store may have lowered the price to $98.88. Online price was confirmed @ $98.88 but it is no longer on their website.
Sam's Club has the Hoover Fusion Plus - Must choose instore pickup to view it for $109.86. It is green and blue, has a longer hose, and a bare floor attachment.

An identical unit is sold at Home Depot under the Maytag Legacy name (Maytag owns Hoover). It is currently selling for $119.99 and is similar to the Hoover Fusion Plus, although it is purple and silver in color.

I'll start off by saying that I've found people's opinions on vacuums vary A LOT. Any time a vacuum thread starts here the arguments begin. I've yet to read a review of a vacuum where EVERYONE agrees. I am only posting this to let people know that this particular vacuum is out there and "I" consider it a hot deal.

Wal*Mart has been selling the Hoover Fusion Cyclonic Vacuum for about a year now. It was originally $128.88 but the price has dropped in typical Wal*Mart "Rollback" fashion to $112.88. Hoover Fusion at Wal*Mart.com It is exclusively available at Wal*Mart (test marketing?).

I decided to purchase this vacuum mainly because there have been a few "unconfirmed" reports on several review sites that it is based on the Patent for the original Dyson DC-01. From what I've read Dyson either let the patent expire or they forgot to renew it (forgot? Unlikely if you ask me), and Hoover swooped in and bought the Patent and released this Fusion.

My first thought was BS, simply because it didn't seem like it could be true. Never-the-less I bought one and so far, I'm sold. I used an Oreck on my carpet that hadn't been vacuumed for a week (which includes the "remains" of my two cats that love to track their litter around). After I was finished, I setup (very easy) the Hoover and let it do it's thing. It proceeded to pick up a LOT more hair, dirt, dust, etc., than the Oreck.

I've cherished my Oreck, but I'm going to sell it and stick with this Fusion. I've used a Dyson before (returned it simply because I'm cheap and had buyer's remorse) and this puppy immediately brought back memories of it. While I have no proof that it's a Dyson in Hoover's clothing, I will say that if any concrete evidence is ever brought forward that it is, I wouldn't be surprised in the least. If I still had the Dyson to do the same test I did with the Oreck, I'd be even more convinced. But from what I have seen from it, I'm sold.

Yes, it's supposedly based on an older Dyson design, so it's not like you're buying the Dyson technology that's available now. But you are buying in my opinion a heck of a vacuum for a little over a hundred bucks.

epinions.com reviews of the product. As always, pretty mixed. Like I said, it's hard to nail down a vacuum with 100% positive reviews.

From what I understand, Consumer Reports gave it a bad review. But they gave the Dyson a bad one too.

I say with Wal*Mart's very liberal return policy, we can decide how hot of a deal this is.

Message edited by: Atrac on 2008-09-08 15:16:12 CDT
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Consumer reports rated the Hoover Fusion as not recommended due to emmisions, although it is true that the vacuum has good suction. The Hoover Mach3 and Mach5 are brand new and not reviewed by Consumer Reports at this time. Hopefully Hoover has fixed the emission problem. The Mach5 *does* have a HEPA filter, so hopefully that model filters better than the original Fusion and Fusion Plus!

Hoover Mach 3, Mach5 and Fusion are only available at Wal*Mart online or B&M (in stores).
Hoover Fusion Plus only available at Sam's Club online or B&M.
The Maytag Legacy is only available from Home Depot B&M.

More reviews.

Another site with a discussion (also mentions "the patent" issue).

The only 'care' which the Mach 5 will need is:

Remove the cyclone assembly from the clear bin once a week, turn it upside down, and remove the hair/fluff that clogs the exit from the tapered cyclone. This is important to do with ALL the Hoover cyclonic models: fusion/fusion plus/maytag legacy/mach 3/mach 4/mach 5/fusion 2.

Wash the pre-motor filter once each month, using water only, no soap, allow to dry.

Wash the post-motor Hepa filter once each year, using water only, no soap, allow to dry.

Change the drive belt once each year.

From Cycloneman:
The Bissell Healthy-Home is a copy of the multi-cyclone design of the Dyson DC07/DC14 series. That means it separates even more of the very fine dust from the airstream, keeping it away from the filters.

Bissell Volocity and Hoover Mach 5 are dual-cyclone models. They work just fine, but require somewhat more frequent cleaning of the pre-motor filter. Mach 5, in addition, has a tip cover on the end of the tapered cone, which has to be cleaned (takes just a moment) when the bin is emptied. Just pull the hair/fluff off the tip of the cone, and you're ready to go.

Eureka 4880 series came out about seven years ago. Instead of using two cyclones traveling at different speeds (as in Dyson and all other copies), Eureka's machine uses two cyclones spinning at the same speed. At the time 4880 was designed, Dyson's patents were still in force. Eureka 4880 passes a large amount of fine dust to the pre-motor filter (which IS washable). Which means you will spend more time cleaning the vacuum up than with other models. Also, the Eureka is VERY heavy.

My choice would be based upon several factors. IF you want to clean bare floors AND/OR want to use the attachments often, I would definately get a model with a brush shut-off switch. Bissell Total-Floors Volocity, or Hoover Mach 5. IF it's not that important, but carpet cleaning IS, I would recommend the Hoover Mach 3 or the Bissell Volocity. The only real difference is the brush shut-off switch.

Bissell Healthy-Home DOES indeed weigh more than all others, even a pound heavier than the already-heavy Eureka 4880.

I see nothing wrong with the Total Floors Volocity Bissell. IF you add a pre-motor electrostatic filter to the filter drawer, the Total Floors give you everything you would want in a cleaner - great suction, dual-cyclone filtration with NO tip to clean on the tapered cyclone, a very long hose, brush shut off switch, and a very well balanced machine. Also, since the Bissell uses an identical brush bar to the Hoover's, it should clean just as well.

My ONLY gripe about the Volocity (either the standard or the "Total Floors" model with brush shut-off switch) is that the upper cyclone stays in the machine when the dirt container (bin) is removed. This allows a small amount of fine dust to fall upon the body of the cleaner while the bin is removed. A small price to pay for a very good machine at a decent price. Oddly, the Bissell Volocity series (regular and total floors models) as well as the Power-Trak series have an odd smell for the first few uses. It's a combination of the plastic used to make the cleaner and the smell of the Hepa filter. One of the ingredients of ABS (the plastic used to make vacs) is "Benzene" (the "B" in ABS) and in some cases it can have an odor, especially as it gets warm (hot) when a vacuum is used for a while. This smell passes with a few uses, but it IS noticeable for a short while. Hoover and Dyson machines, which also use ABS (but from a different supplier) have no odor.

Multi-cyclonic "should" refer to the fact that there are more than ONE tapered, high efficiency cyclone. In ALL U.S. Dysons, the Dirt Devil Spinnergy, the Bissell Healthy-Home, and the Shark Infinity - they use 'true' multi-cyclonic technology (developed by Dyson). It means that these machines have the maximum amount of airflow, and the maximum amount of separation with regard to fine dust.

Dual-Cyclone units use the "original" Dyson technology (developed in 1983). There is only one high efficiency cyclone (tapered) and one 'low efficiency' cyclone (the walls of the clear bin).
Dual-cyclone technology is still light years ahead of a pleated filter in the bin (like in all other bagless machines).

ONLY the Hoover series (Fusion/Fusion Plus/Maytag Legacy/Mach 3/Mach 4/Mach 5) does the tip of the tapered cone need frequent cleaning. But even at that, it takes no more than 5 seconds to pull the hair/fluff from the tip of the cone.

The Eureka 4880 series does NOT use true dual-cyclonic technology since there is NO tapered high efficiency cyclone. As such, the Eureka does not suffer from dirt collecting at the tip of the tapered cone. However, the Eureka *does* suffer from a pre-motor filter that is forced to take a large amount of the fine dust, reducing suction and causing frequent cleaning of the pre-motor filter.

Interestingly, the Hoover, Bissell, and Dirt Devil models all use virtually identical brush bars. Since Dirt Devil and Hoover are now the same company, and both brands are made in the same factory (in China) by the same people, and the same engineers work on developing both brands, the cleaning ability of the Dirt Devil Spinnergy and the Hoover Fusion/Mach series as well as the Bissell Volocity series, is about the same. It's really only the convenience features (hose length, brush shut off switch, thickness of plastic parts) that differ. Of the three (Hoover, Dirt Devil, Bissell), while it's true the Dirt Devil uses more 'advanced' multi-cyclonic technology, the Dirt Devil does NOT work significantly better than the Hoover or Bissell versions to recommend it OVER the Hoover or Bissell.

Each purchaser should ask themselves the question "how important is the brush shut off switch to me" before deciding on one of them.

With Regard to Dyson Models:
The DC07 offers the most Bang for the Buck. It's a true multi-cyclonic machine and has lifetime filters. DC14 cleans no better and is NOT a better value than DC07. DC15 "the ball" is heavy and awkward to use, cleans no better than DC07 or DC14, and is not the best value for the buck. DC17 has an extremely aggressive brush bar, which means it *can* remove more carpet nap than the softer DC07/DC14/DC15 brush roller (a concern for anyone with expensive, high pile, thick plush carpets).

Message edited by: Grayson73 on 2007-10-16 10:52:02 CDT
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i bought this a few months back at the 129$ rate.I love the vacuum and haven't had any problems with it at all.
The suction is superb.Well worth the price in my opinion.

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Do we know if it is in-store as well ?

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What are the major differences b/t this and the "Fusion Plus" sold at Sam's Club (aside from color, obviously)? Per an eBay listing, it seems like the "Plus" has a slightly longer hose...but is that the only real difference?

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Yes, k, it's available in-store.

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chewskydoo said:Yes, k, it's available in-store.

Thanks

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All the Sam’s Club specs for the Plus (@ $124.78) say that it comes with an ‘extra long’ hose (no specs) and bare floor attachments. The WalMart specs (basic, $112.28) says theirs comes with a powered pet tool (not as good as they pimp them to be). I’ll have to check out the Sam’s Club to get more info from the box, but either way I’ll be getting a new vacuum this week. Our old Hoover Windtunnel has needed replacement for a while. Thanks OP!

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There's no such thing as a Dyson clone...

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coolbreeze said:There's no such thing as a Dyson clone...

Yeah, that was pretty silly to say OP.

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Imitation is the best form of flattery. Looks like Hoover thinks Dyson is the best They sure did try to copy it!

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I saw this one in my quest for a replacement vac. I considered it, but since my last hoover sucked not in a good way I passed and got a dyson.
It did look good though.

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I've had the best luck with hoovers vs anything else i've tried.

As far as imitation, its either flattery or they got tired of seeing people get suckered in by a product that was 75% marketing, 25% content and decided they wanted to sell something to those folks too.

One note, unless i'm mistaken the fusion just got a 'not recommended' by consumer reports due to excessive emissions...throws dust in other words...something about something not being sealed well? I'd have to go back and look to be sure.

Same issues, dyson was rated middle of the pack, and near the bottom in the new 'pet hair' testing.

That ~$100 eurkeka that there have been some threads on is still near the top of the ratings, along with some kenmores and hoovers, which were near the top on pet hair.

Ok, CR ratings and dysonazi baiting aside, almost any new $100+ vac is going to work better than your 5-8 year old one. Its got a tired motor, all sorts of stuff jammed into nooks and crannies throughout, bent hoses and its all clogged up. Hey, i'm talking about the VACUUM here...

Taking any empty vac (even your old one) and doing a 'second run test' over the already vacuumed carpet will produce further stuff you didnt get on the first pass. Taking your new fancy vac to your parents house, where they're still employing a 20 year old vac, will produce amazing results. Heck, the parents will make noises of awe just to encourage you to come vacuum their house for them!

Message edited by: sklar on 2006-09-14 08:43:21 CDT
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sklar said:
One note, unless i'm mistaken the fusion just got a 'not recommended' by consumer reports due to excessive emissions...throws dust in other words...something about something not being sealed well? I'd have to go back and look to be sure.



Thanks for that info, i'll look into it also...

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Hey any Vac that has a price tag of $112.xx has my intrest. My Wal=Mart is OOS already

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In stock for me

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Need to check the local B3stbuy. If they have this model, then PM will slide 10% of the diff into my pocket

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Bmr4life said:coolbreeze said:There's no such thing as a Dyson clone...

Yeah, that was pretty silly to say OP.


The Dyson is in a league of its own.

I bought 3 different models of vacuums at WalMart. They all fell apart within 2 years of purchase. I don't have pets and I didn't have any kids at the time.

You get what you pay for.

Message edited by: jswede4722 on 2006-09-14 09:17:27 CDT
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I bought this vacuum when it first came out and have no regrets. It really is a value. I wanted a dyson, but couldn't stomach the prices. I also bought keeping in mind the liberal return policy. The only complaint I have is emptying the canister could be done more effectively. I would expect future designs will improve this functionality. It's still much better than emptying our old Dirt Devil Vision.