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ionizer said: [Q]I can see waking up 5 hours in advance to sell on eBay and profit 1200, cuz for most that would be more than what they make an hour.
more than an hour? try a few days (even weeks for some) of work pay for majority of ppl. ionizer must be making loads of money himself on hourly basis b/c he seems to be out of touch with the life of an average person.
If sitting out for 2 days doing nothing can get you a profit matching 1 week of salary, are you surprised that ppl will jump at the chance? I'm actually surprised at not more ppl trying to do this...

Man, just when you thought the Xbox360 introduction was poorly executed...

jordonlee said: [Q]If they are hired by some business men, why not sell the PS3 themselves to make more profit?

Do you think all campers in the US are hardcore gamers? I think 90% of them are fleabayers.

Nope, you missed my point. The truth is more in line with your numbers. 90% resellers, 10% gamers. Follow-up Kotaku article noted the lines as Otaku, Otaku, Otaku, old man, old man, old man, Otaku, etc...

Odds are, the people ebayers hire to stand in line to buy the PS3 probably don't even have $600 to spare (edit: of their own money) to try to resell, or have the know-how to resell...

Most of those in line at the Burbank BB are probably proxies...

tigerjuju said: [Q]regardless of all the speculation on availability, this deal does not belong in hot deal forum simply b/c the bundle is priced at regular retail price total with ZERO DISCOUNTS. In fact, it's a rip off, forcing ppl to buy all the games in the bundle b/c Frys knows ppl will buy it any way.

NOT A DEAL. It's a rip off.

Forget about the retail price, the real price is what it's going for on eBay.

jpinoy said: [Q]jordonlee said: [Q]If they are hired by some business men, why not sell the PS3 themselves to make more profit?

Do you think all campers in the US are hardcore gamers? I think 90% of them are fleabayers.

Nope, you missed my point. The truth is more in line with your numbers. 90% resellers, 10% gamers. Follow-up Kotaku article noted the lines as Otaku, Otaku, Otaku, old man, old man, old man, Otaku, etc...

Odds are, the people ebayers hire to stand in line to buy the PS3 probably don't even have $600 to spare to try to resell, or have the know-how to resell...

Most of those in line at the Burbank BB are probably proxies...

The people standing in line are being given money to pay for the system and a little extra to their time. I'm thinking about doing this all the homeless people in the Santa Monica area.

Some people do like the excitement and buzz generated from waiting in line for a new product launch, just like some people like sleeping on a cold concrete sidewalk breathing exhaust all night before the Rose Parade.

Just not for me.

jpinoy said: [Q]jordonlee said: [Q]If they are hired by some business men, why not sell the PS3 themselves to make more profit?

Do you think all campers in the US are hardcore gamers? I think 90% of them are fleabayers.

Nope, you missed my point. The truth is more in line with your numbers. 90% resellers, 10% gamers. Follow-up Kotaku article noted the lines as Otaku, Otaku, Otaku, old man, old man, old man, Otaku, etc...

Odds are, the people ebayers hire to stand in line to buy the PS3 probably don't even have $600 to spare to try to resell, or have the know-how to resell...

Most of those in line at the Burbank BB are probably proxies...

The people standing in line are being given money to pay for the system and a little extra for their time. I'm thinking about doing this all the homeless people in the Santa Monica area.

cstu11 said: [Q]Forget about the retail price, the real price is what it's going for on eBay.
That might be true from certain angle. But it does not change the intent of the Frys bundle "deal" is to rip off customer due to the hype and short supply. If this is a deal, we will need to post a deal thread for every single store in the country that sells PS3.

cstu11 said: [Q]The people standing in line are being given money to pay for the system and a little extra for their time. I'm thinking about doing this all the homeless people in the Santa Monica area.
haha, this is not very PC to say, but I'm not a PC person any way. They would be perfect for the job since they should be pretty used to camping outside already.

***YAWN***

I'll wait 2-3 years for the PS3 console to become cheaper.....and less buggy/more reliable.....and for it's online system to get out of its growing pain......and for games to go platinum (i.e cheap).


Boy does it pain me to see last year's no-life gamers squander their meager minimum wage earnings on the Xbox360 at launch time only to see their unit overheat/crash.....and then pay another $120+ to get another buggy scratched up refurb Xbox360 from Micro$oft 4 weeks later.....and then to rinse/repeat AGAIN.


That's some young'in knucklehead enthusiasm for ya. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border=0>

tigerjuju said: [Q]cstu11 said: [Q]The people standing in line are being given money to pay for the system and a little extra for their time. I'm thinking about doing this all the homeless people in the Santa Monica area.
haha, this is not very PC to say, but I'm not a PC person any way. They would be perfect for the job since they should be pretty used to camping outside already.

might be more reliable to hire a guy from your local Home Depot to stand in line for you for the next 2 days...

No one, and I mean no one that I know who will be at least attempting to buy this system will be keeping it. This means you will literally see thousands of these things on eBay the very same day.

$2000? sure maybe the first few... and then what?

Supply and demand will keep the price in check. And there's bound to be more jobless losers putting their ps3 up for sale and assuming every single one will sell for $2000. Of course, with so many of them up for sale not a single one will sell for $2000...

At what price point does it become worthless to wait in line $900 ($200 profit), $1000 ($300 profit)?

It will be funny to watch the initial auctions get bid up to amazing amounts, and then see the people who are looking at coughing up the cash for the system watch the flooded market fall out from under them, and all the sellers panic as their buyers default and rebid on cheaper machines.

Course I could also be wrong...

If I could find the 60 gb one in-store for retail, I would buy it to keep. However, I'm also not the person camping out in front of the store. Last year, I had an Xbox 360 by Christmas just by looking in the electronics section when I went to the store for my regular shopping...actually, I managed to get a premium and a core system on the same day (one at morning and one at night). I kept the premium and sold the core for $100 profit after fees and etc on eBay.

I'll use the same technique this time. I'm willing to pay retail, but I'm not willing to camp for it.

off topic..fuel for the flames..

PS3, BLU-RAY..LOL..SONY GOT SOME FUNNY JOKES!

TheeeeChosenOne said: [Q]***YAWN***

I'll wait 2-3 years for the PS3 console to become cheaper.....and less buggy/more reliable.....and for it's online system to get out of its growing pain......and for games to go platinum (i.e cheap).


Boy does it pain me to see last year's no-life gamers squander their meager minimum wage earnings on the Xbox360 at launch time only to see their unit overheat/crash.....and then pay another $120+ to get another buggy scratched up refurb Xbox360 from Micro$oft 4 weeks later.....and then to rinse/repeat AGAIN.


That's some young'in knucklehead enthusiasm for ya. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border=0>

Well... some people like to enjoy a game or two at the game's peak, especially online play. A year down the road when you go to play this game online you'll find the same 15 people playing everyday, and that's no fun.

Also, some people want new technology. You might be satisfied with your old stuff, but other people want new electronics. My XB360 hasn't failed once yet, I'm glad I got it on launch date. Sure it's $100 cheaper now at MicroCenter, but I look back on the year and think, "Was spending $400 for the machine on launch date 1 yr ago worth it?" The answer to that question is absolutely.

Oh, BTW, I've got a PS2 for sale if you want it.

Dustin

who cares....ps3 60gb alone is selling for $1700+ on eBay seen systems with 3 games sell for over $3000

Stubtify said: [Q]No one, and I mean no one that I know who will be at least attempting to buy this system will be keeping it. This means you will literally see thousands of these things on eBay the very same day.

$2000? sure maybe the first few... and then what?

Supply and demand will keep the price in check. And there's bound to be more jobless losers putting their ps3 up for sale and assuming every single one will sell for $2000. Of course, with so many of them up for sale not a single one will sell for $2000...

At what price point does it become worthless to wait in line $900 ($200 profit), $1000 ($300 profit)?

It will be funny to watch the initial auctions get bid up to amazing amounts, and then see the people who are looking at coughing up the cash for the system watch the flooded market fall out from under them, and all the sellers panic as their buyers default and rebid on cheaper machines.

Course I could also be wrong...



you will be totally wrong. only 400,000 systems are being sold in the usa. they will sell for a minimum $1500+. remember the xbox 360 last year?

If you're really worried, just post a scheduled auction to start tomorrow around noon to end for Friday afternoon (one-day), then you'll beat out all the one-day auctions that *start* on Friday morning or afternoon - leave a few slots for pictures to post once you get the system in hand... if you don't get it, cancel the auction and suck up the $0.35 listing fee. If you get the system then you win big time because you'll be one of the first systems to end on eBay.

ams30 said: [Q]Stubtify said: [Q]No one, and I mean no one that I know who will be at least attempting to buy this system will be keeping it. This means you will literally see thousands of these things on eBay the very same day.

$2000? sure maybe the first few... and then what?

Supply and demand will keep the price in check. And there's bound to be more jobless losers putting their ps3 up for sale and assuming every single one will sell for $2000. Of course, with so many of them up for sale not a single one will sell for $2000...

At what price point does it become worthless to wait in line $900 ($200 profit), $1000 ($300 profit)?

It will be funny to watch the initial auctions get bid up to amazing amounts, and then see the people who are looking at coughing up the cash for the system watch the flooded market fall out from under them, and all the sellers panic as their buyers default and rebid on cheaper machines.

Course I could also be wrong...



you will be totally wrong. only 400,000 systems are being sold in the usa. they will sell for a minimum $1500+. remember the xbox 360 last year?

How is $1,000+ for a game console and 8 games considered a deal?

Does anyone else think the pricing on this console is absurd?


fragged said: [Q]How is $1,000+ for a game console and 8 games considered a deal?

Does anyone else think the pricing on this console is absurd?

hell yeah.

$600 for a console? pfttt.

I don't need to play this stuff on the first day.
ps3 games don't look special anyway, nor are they exclusive.

Woa, this is so crazy, people line up waiting for the PS3 already? Seems like PS3 is way hotter than BF <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border=0>

just went to best buy and they had people with tents lined up around the block and the t.v. camera's where there. i just laughed its only wednesday

link626 said: [Q]fragged said: [Q]How is $1,000+ for a game console and 8 games considered a deal?

Does anyone else think the pricing on this console is absurd?

hell yeah.

$600 for a console? pfttt.

I don't need to play this stuff on the first day.
ps3 games don't look special anyway, nor are they exclusive.


Actually pricing for the hardware is ok if you consider that it also plays Blu-Ray discs. Currently, the average blu-ray disc player is around $700 - $1200. Since the PS3 can play blu-ray discs and play video games (and also has Wi-Fi, bluetooth), $600 seems like the right price (and if you consider it for playing blu-ray discs only this is one of the cheapest players out there). However, as a video game console for children, high-school/college students, etc..., yes this is a pricey piece of hardware.

Obviously forcing people to buy a bundle w/out discounts or incentives is ridiculous.

supwaz said: [Q]Actually pricing for the hardware is ok if you consider that it also plays Blu-Ray discs. Currently, the average blu-ray disc player is around $700 - $1200. Since the PS3 can play blu-ray discs and play video games (and also has Wi-Fi, bluetooth), $600 seems like the right price (and if you consider it for playing blu-ray discs only this is one of the cheapest players out there). However, as a video game console for children, high-school/college students, etc..., yes this is a pricey piece of hardware.
Compare to the price of Blu-ray disc player, PS 3 might sound like a good price. But to be fair, one should also compare to the "popularity" of Blu-ray player with consumer... or should I say, lack of popularity?
Blu-ray's success is by no means a sure thing. Paying such high early adaptor premium for a unproven technology is a big gamble. Sony is in the crap hole they are today, i believe is largely due to their arragancy with the "self-claimed superiority" of products, insistance on high price, and refusal to conform to market standard by insisting on their own. (i.e. memory stick, mp3 players, PSP, etc. etc.) These thing, I believe, will work against the success of Blu-ray. As much as I love their cool designs in many things, I love to see this arragant company get some serious spanking with a major flop to teach them a lesson not to take customers for granted.

fragged said: [Q]How is $1,000+ for a game console and 8 games considered a deal?

Does anyone else think the pricing on this console is absurd?

Of course it is, but it's absurb that workaholic parents will spend $2000 for it to keep the kids they never see happy.

Sony usually supports the wrong formats. Remember betamax and the minidisc?

snowultra said: [Q]just went to best buy and they had people with tents lined up around the block and the t.v. camera's where there. i just laughed its only wednesday
People were camping outside here in AZ, outside Circuit City <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border=0>

Already selling for $3000+ PS3<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border=0>

The best chance I had to getting the PS3 was at one of the six Circuit City locations that will start the sale 1 day early (9pm). They each have about 100 units (as opposed to around 10 for EBgames/GameStop). I learned this since last week but was not willing to waste my time standing in line so far ahead of time. Well...I went to check the one store in CA where they had this "sale" earlier today and guess what? There were well over 100 people in various tents/cars already there and waiting...and here I was thinking I'd atleast be one of the first 100 people by skipping work and getting in line at noon tomorrow. Bah!

I asked a guy from the first group when he started camping out. He said...Sunday last week!

If I make a profit of $1000 by waiting in line for 4-6 days like these guys, I'd actually be breaking even by working 8 hours/day instead of camping 24 hours/day. Bah!

Back to playing homebrews on my newly enhanced (with 2.71SE B'' firmware) PSP. I should be ok until I can actually get a PS3 without having to line up too far in advance.


...it just sucks though...I've been waiting and tracking the PS3 since it was announced 2 years ago. All that time and didn't even get a freakin' preorder. Argh!!!!

they selling it on outpost.com?

A friend of mine already has the US edition. He is willing to sell it to me for $850 right now. Don't ask me how he got it because he didn't tell me either.

WhoisDan said: [Q]A friend of mine already has the US edition. He is willing to sell it to me for $850 right now. Don't ask me how he got it because he didn't tell me either.

I say Buy It.

mike1111 said: [Q]WhoisDan said: [Q]A friend of mine already has the US edition. He is willing to sell it to me for $850 right now. Don't ask me how he got it because he didn't tell me either.

I say Buy It.

Then eBay It.

dan
dont be stupid
you buy that crap
that is a pretty dumb question to even ask that

then resell

namlook said: [Q]A PS3 recently sold for $3200 on eBay.Ya and a scammer bought it...

fragged said: [Q]How is $1,000+ for a game console and 8 games considered a deal?

Does anyone else think the pricing on this console is absurd?

no.

link626 said: [Q]fragged said: [Q]How is $1,000+ for a game console and 8 games considered a deal?

Does anyone else think the pricing on this console is absurd?

hell yeah.

$600 for a console? pfttt.

I don't need to play this stuff on the first day.
ps3 games don't look special anyway, nor are they exclusive.



ok so you defined to us you have a different preference than others do...


if you werent so interested why bother reading this thread??


pfft to you

My cousin was at BB last nite and he called me up. one guy in front of the line was willing to sell his spot for 1000.00. he would wait in line until friday morning then get us the ticket. I thought about the deal for a second but, since eBay don't allow to list it without a presale repceit i passed. I want a PS3 sooo bad but I'm refusing to pay over MSRP on it. already got enough FatCash, discover points, Mbnapoints and coins for it and i'm 1/2 to a sony 1080p lcd. I'll wait till spring, to get both.

NM.

"then resell"

I would not buy a first gen console without a store receipt for return. Who knows how many of them actually work?



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